Xbox one = 7790 confirmed by xbox one Architec.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

*sigh*

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25958354/can-the-ps3-be-defended...?page=0

You asked for is, well here it is...

and please no excuses, you were apart of all this BS too.  The PS3/sony fan bashng parade by lemmings was in full force from 2007 - 2009.  The same guys who posted in those idiotic PS3/fan bashing threads come in here and act like that never happened.  People who play innocent when they can't use old arguments to claim the favorite platform is the best are the worst type of fanboys IMO.  

 

casharmy

as far as rules refer to the spead sheet where he said that, if you didn't go by what the spread sheet said (being that the xbox had more AAE and AAAE games at the time) he would mod you if you said PS3 has better games....YEAH!

...EXCEPT when PS3 passed xbox360 in high scoring exclusive games he TOTALLY abandon those rules and said multiplats should be counted and that xbox was better than PS3 because of multiplats.  

In the very link I gave you he tells Ps3 fans that multiplats can't be used when deciding what makes the best platform and then flip flopped on that and downgraded to adding AE games and multiplats to help 360  win argument battles!!!

if you didn't go by what the spread sheet said (being that the xbox had more AAE and AAAE games at the time) he would mod you if you said PS3 has better games....YEAH!casharmy

In 2005 when cows were getting slaughtered NOBODY said shit.. thus is the way of SW. Let it happenDouevenlift_bro

[QUOTE="clone01"] So you're not allowed to prefer something? tormentos

According to you only if what you prefer is the xbox 360.

Any one who prefer the PS3 is a blind cow with 5 alter ego accounts.

Any one who prefer the xbox 360 is ok and unbiased.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]In 2005 when cows were getting slaughtered NOBODY said shit.. thus is the way of SW. Let it happenfreedomfreak

There's a big difference between the two. I didn't see any references to ahugecat, but I also didn't look through your history in its entirety. You had a long rapsheet which explains why you were banned for simple trolling back in the day.Stevo_the_gamer

The only thing that's "simple" to understand about it is that mods are able to use whatever excuse they pull out of their ass to modetrate people--AND THEY WILL GET AWAY WITH IT. Beause if I tried to get another mod to back me up, he or she will prioritize the integrity of the moderator being put under scrutiny rather than make sure the poster was treated fairly.

I'd say I only had about 5-7 posts where I was being purposefully insulting--and lest we forget that all you had to do to be considered derogatory was use the word "retarded". Everything else is the product of mod rationale. You will see that if you read the entire history.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]In 2005 when cows were getting slaughtered NOBODY said shit.. thus is the way of SW. Let it happenclone01

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Actually, you were not banned for that--and you were only banned once. And yes, you did use personal insults and derogatory comments.

Stevo_the_gamer

Suspension. Whatever. One moderation contributes to the overall suspension, which in effect, contributed to the ban.

You're being deceitful. I did not use any personal insults or derogatory comments in reference to AHUGECAT. Yet that post was still used as an excuse for moderation, thus showing that it wouldn't matter if I was derogatory/insulting or not; the mods were finding excuses to mod people regardless. Again, congrats on being apart of that club.

He could have been a lurker or just been talking about cows in other forums.Kaz_Son

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] How do you know nobody said shit? You've only been here since 2013.Kaz_Son

What I don't get is that people think its some conspiracy against them. You and I have had disagreements, Stevo. And that's fine. However, I've never felt that I've been modified on personal preference of piece of plastic. Frankly, I find that line of thinking to be f*cking stupid.clone01

Who mentioned a "conspiracy"?

It's always funny when people pull that word out of a hat when they just want the topic to go away.

Referring to a common mentality amongst mods to protect other more abusive mods has nothing to do with conspiratorial behavior. It is a form of corruption if that's what you mean.

This is some very well thought out and calculated bullshit from MS.  Still bullshit, but well served...  Well served because there is a scoop of truth mixed with the shit.  A little different from the talking out of their ass strategy they've used since e3.

They are ridiculous fools trying to spin their bandwidth like that, adding up the eSRAM and DDR3 and anyways even if all that was true, only a measly 32mb's of it could reach such bandwidth so only a portion of memory would have that bandwidth.

The Ps4 has way, way more usable bandwidth and a gpu that dwarfs the Xbox one's, WITHOUT the 10% reserve for stupid "multitasking" media bs. 

We're going to be looking at PS2 vs. gamecube levels of difference here, people don't believe that but they will see.

The dumbest thing they said was justifying putting the eSRAM on the die instead of a more powerful gpu, for "balance" sake which is funny enough but they say having it instead lowers power consumption, but it takes up a lot of power...  that line was pure bs. 

It all comes down to a mistake, they didn't expect Sony to make such a perfect console, and at the same time they couldn't have done what Sony did because they had to bundle the useless POS that is kinect with every console that it doesn't even need to function anymore, the irony too focused on social media, not on games.

Chozofication

Such a "peftect" console that Sony has choosen not to realase all the details of the hardware inside the PS4. Most of the crap posted in this thread is based off speculation at best. Also has Sony used a PS4 yet to demo anything?? 

The sad part about your post is you dont have an ounce of truth in it. All of it is opinions and an emotional rant. 

If i had any hope that we could have an objective argument over the difference between the X1 architecture and the PS4 architecture, I would use all of my hardware engineering schooling and knowledge to completely make you look like a fool. However, after spending the past 2 months reading these forums, I see how useless it is to even attempt using facts.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] How do you know nobody said shit? You've only been here since 2013.Kaz_Son

[QUOTE="clone01"] What I don't get is that people think its some conspiracy against them. You and I have had disagreements, Stevo. And that's fine. However, I've never felt that I've been modified on personal preference of piece of plastic. Frankly, I find that line of thinking to be f*cking stupid.Pariah_001

Who mentioned a "conspiracy"?

It's always funny when people pull that word out of a hat when they just want the topic to go away.

Referring to a common mentality amongst mods to protect other more abusive mods has nothing to do with conspiratorial behavior. It is a form of corruption if that's what you mean.

TC knows more about the Xbox One hardware than the Microsoft architects

__^^^__

What I got out of OP

Oh. So we've gone to "conspiracy" to "plastic".

Do you think you're being picked on because you like a particular piece of plastic?clone01

The mods apparently do/did, which is why they felt the need to stretch their authority.

Buuuut, that is, after all, probably why they're mods in the first place. Who would have more of an obsession with console partisanship than someone who take a non-paid position to overlook discussions about games?

To clarify something though: a great deal of my mod history was with regards to politics and not just system wars. In which case, yeah I know for a fact that a particular mod went after me for a political/social opinion I held since I was able to goad him into a conversation about his idiocy in the ask the mods forum.

Oh. So we've gone to "conspiracy" to "plastic".

[QUOTE="clone01"] Do you think you're being picked on because you like a particular piece of plastic?Pariah_001

The mods apparently do/did, which is why they felt the need to stretch their authority.

Buuuut, that is, after all, probably why they're mods in the first place. Who would have more of an obsession with console partisanship than someone who take a non-paid position to overlook discussions about games?

TLHBOMr-Kutaragi

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] Can you be completely objective for a second? Do you honestly think cows havent been the most overzealous faction in SW since PS2? Lets just pretend that SW doesnt exist. When the industry as a whole starts responding in videos to the wrath of cows, you know it is a problem. Sessler, IGN, Gamespot, and destructoid have all responded to cows being petty and childish. Honestly, im not sure what makes them that way............whether the rumor is true that Sony pays people to post that way........but i know it is annoying as hell. Tormentos and Davekeeh arent exceptions. Sure, there are hardened 360 and PS3 supporters, but that doesnt mean ignore all logic and bash with stupidity. Take SolidTy for example. He has said he prefers Sony and PS3, but you dont see him trolling and invading forums and internet polls. That is the difference in the mods named as 360 supporters and Davekeeh. He is a blind troll like Tormentos. They dont care about facts, common sense, or objectivity.navyguy21

I actually am objective...and it's not for a second, it's always.  I prefer Sony as a company becaue of actions not emotions or fanboyism.  My preference for PS could change at anytime because the standards which I judge a game company/ systems/ and games were established before I eveer touched a Playstation or xbox console.  Fanboys change their standards based on what their favorite company does.  

You seem to think anyone who defends/prefers Playstaion and or sony is a "COW" (blind fanboy) that fact in and of itself shows that you have a biased state of mind, but that just goes to show that you are the one who needs to be objective.  

I do not think there is anything I can say to make you not think that DA COWZ ARE DA WORZT FANBOYZ so why even ask "me" to be objective?  If I give you objective reasoning why what you said is wrong you will most likely just come up with excuses why what you want to believe is right.

The fact that you name Tormentos as a blind troll lets me know something is wrong with you.  There are some sony fans which you might could lable as a blind troll but Tormentos isn't one...he simply destroys xbox fanboys in argument using facts.  lol so a sony fan arguing against xbox fans in debates = blind sony troll?  

I tell you what, if you can objectively tell me how Tormentos is a "blind troll" I will honor your request and give a deep thought out reply, but you need to validate this one point to see if you are even objective enough to receive it.

Well i will try to keep this short so we dont have these long posts.

I do recognize that there is a difference in Cows vs PS fans. As i mentioned before, SolidTy is a sony fan, not a fanboy. IMO, it crosses the line when a poster makes it his or her mission to seek out and bash a system. THAT is why i labeled Tormentos along with Davekeeh. You have been here long enough to know his posting history. I dont have an issue with debating facts.......but when your posts are filled with emoticons to intentionally annoy and make fun of other users or a company, then i feel that is trolling. I havent seen you do that, and i know you prefer Sony, so thats why i didnt come at you like i tend to do with Tormentos. He labels me a lemming because i dont post like him or Davekeeh. Ive ALWAYS said that Sony was better with games, 1st parties, consumers, and hardware. Those things get ignored by tormentos.............even my entire posting history gets ignored............because i dont run blindly with the Sony support like he does. 

Take this very argument. He seems so happy to post what he sees as negative news for XB1, and if i were to offer 1 counter argument.........and point out his many mistakes..............it would validate his opinion that i am a lemming.

How do you combat that?

So, since our few debates have ended with him calling me a lemming, i just dont bother debating him anymore. He wont listen even when it makes sense.

For further proof, just go through his posting history. 

Feel free to check mine as well, i dont hide from it. You will see that i dont just throw out the fanboy card at everyone. I only use it when i feel it is warranted, and im sure the majority of SW posters............cows included........would agree with me.

Tormentos IS a troll...he posts to annoy and get under the skin of xbox fans and he is pro sony/playstation.   Where I think you stepped out of line is when you threw in the word "blind".  He is not blind in the slightest, he knows exactly what he is saying and does a good job of explaining that with little to no name calling or personal bashing to the individuals he is debating with.

Rememer this is system wars, so what is wrong with a PS fan being a troll and using his arguments to get under the skin of other users and getting a laugh?  Maybe your view of sony fans in general make you take that stance even if it is not reflecting the way things actually are.  As long as someone posts based on facts followed by a sound argument it doen't matter if they are tolling or not, this is system wars!

You mention posters making it a mission to seek out and bash a system...well how come you didn't menton Preach, RRDD360 or Miketheman83.  Have you seen THEIR threads?  Tormentos level of fanboyism is childs play compared to these guys because Tormentos post based on facts that is backed up by credible sources or publications.  In comparison those other guys just "invent" reasons to bash on Sony or playstation games.  

Being well justified Sony fans could run around claiming xbox fans to be the worst based on a select few who are outspoken horrible fanboy posters on SW...but they don't.  And do you know why I think that is?  IT IS STUPID!  This is system wars where fanboys go and people who don't like what you like and vice versa will be.  I took a LONG break from SW and do you know why?  Because I couldn't stand xbox360 fanboys making stupid arguments and posting with canned one linners in debates on arguments they made up or couldn't defend.   Why am I telling you that point, because you seem to have a misunderstanding about fanboy groups because you don''t put the same standards on the fans of the console/compnay you prefer over another.

I have seen you say you think PS fans are hypocritical but point for point I am sure I could beat you out on the amount of flip flopping hypocritcal reverses xbox fans have made; but even if I did that it wouldn't be to say HAHA look xbox fanbotz IZ DA WORZT, it would be to show you that the view point about sony fans which you hold so dearly is short sighted and flawed.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]if you didn't go by what the spread sheet said (being that the xbox had more AAE and AAAE games at the time) he would mod you if you said PS3 has better games....YEAH!Stevo_the_gamer

Funny i just got a warning and got moderated for saying that you suffer amnesia they say i personally attack other member,this is the kind of sh** i have been complaining about lately,i got even a damn warning for saying in before (insert name) which basically any one here do,i am seen an incrase in silly moderations on my account while other are allow to make fun of me my children,and attack me in every single possible way,from stupid to making fun of my language..

MODERATE iqually for all or don't do it is all i can say to you and other mods,when you single one person out and stop looking to the side your or any mod are not been any better than any fanboy here.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]if you didn't go by what the spread sheet said (being that the xbox had more AAE and AAAE games at the time) he would mod you if you said PS3 has better games....YEAH!Stevo_the_gamer

but I see you have resorted to trying to defend this now...I gave you what you asked for so what now, go into defend/excuse mode?

Honestly, moderations have got ridiculous recently.  I've been modded for a shit load of stuff that happens every single day. 

 

best post I have seen from you in a while, Ok I will share my point of view.

Tormentos IS a troll...he posts to annoy and get under the skin of xbox fans and he is pro sony/playstation.   Where I think you stepped out of line is when you threw in the word "blind".  He is not blind in the slightest, he knows exactly what he is saying and does a good job of explaining that with little to no name calling or personal bashing to the individuals he is debating with.

Rememer this is system wars, so what is wrong with a PS fan being a troll and using his arguments to get under the skin of other users and getting a laugh?  Maybe your view of sony fans in general make you take that stance even if it is not reflecting the way things actually are.  As long as someone posts based on facts followed by a sound argument it doen't matter if they are tolling or not, this is system wars!

You mention posters making it a mission to seek out and bash a system...well how come you didn't menton Preach, RRDD360 or Miketheman83.  Have you seen THEIR threads?  Tormentos level of fanboyism is childs play compared to these guys because Tormentos post based on facts that is backed up by credible sources or publications.  In comparison those other guys just "invent" reasons to bash on Sony or playstation games.  

Being well justified Sony fans could run around claiming xbox fans to be the worst based on a select few who are outspoken horrible fanboy posters on SW...but they don't.  And do you know why I think that is?  IT IS STUPID!  This is system wars where fanboys go and people who don't like what you like and vice versa will be.  I took a LONG break from SW and do you know why?  Because I couldn't stand xbox360 fanboys making stupid arguments and posting with canned one linners in debates on arguments they made up or couldn't defend.   Why am I telling you that point, because you seem to have a misunderstanding about fanboy groups because you don''t put the same standards on the fans of the console/compnay you prefer over another.

I have seen you say you think PS fans are hypocritical but point for point I am sure I could beat you out on the amount of flip flopping hypocritcal reverses xbox fans have made; but even if I did that it wouldn't be to say HAHA look xbox fanbotz IZ DA WORZT, it would be to show you that the view point about sony fans which you hold so dearly is short sighted and flawed.

casharmy

I say drop it you will get a warning here,i already did for saying Stevo suffer amnesia,incredible but true only xbox fans are allowed to say and do any sh** on this board,so save your self the pain and warning or possible ban,because that is what they want,i have people here that quote me and soon as i reply they look for something to complain because they want me gon.

The best argument you can make is this thread,lool at the damage controls it has cause but have you see any one refuting my points with links.? They get mad because i always find ways to shut down their silly arguments,i will start posting less and laughing more,my account is 2003 way older than many of those who complain about me,so i don't want to lose it.

Thanks for all the defending at least you see things like they are.

How so? Might you provide some evidence for your claim?clone01

I actually would have had plenty to offer you were it not for the posts being deleted from the Ask the Mods forum. At this point, I just have my mod history, which is filled to the brim with reactionary overreach.

[QUOTE="clone01"] How so? Might you provide some evidence for your claim?Pariah_001

I actually would have had plenty to offer you were it not for the posts being deleted from the Ask the Mods forum. At this point, I just have my mod history, which is filled to the brim with reactionary overreach.

filled to the brim with reactionary overreach.

Pariah_001

Such a cool little phrase. Great command of English man, I'm not really that interested in what's being discussed but good writing makes for good reading!

This is a funny thread. The OP basically said nothing in terms of facts, and the posts exploded. I think even if we have a few people who actually know something about technology, their knowledge will be drowned in all the nonsensical posts about fanboy groups. In the end, the tech explanations neither prove nor disprove hardware superiority. They're merely giving out their reasoning for their harware decisions. I still expect the PS4 to have the edge in graphics similar to XBOX to PS2. That might mean something for some people but it shouldn't mean much for Playstation loyalists given history.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] How so? Might you provide some evidence for your claim?clone01

I actually would have had plenty to offer you were it not for the posts being deleted from the Ask the Mods forum. At this point, I just have my mod history, which is filled to the brim with reactionary overreach.

Hehe. So you're taking an apologist position: absence of proof is proof of absence.

"Leave the mods ALONE! They all do a good job and they have integrity (I can vouch for it myself)!! Leave them ALONE!!!"

But hey, if you don't think people get screwed over because of mod abuse, that's your cake to bake.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]if you didn't go by what the spread sheet said (being that the xbox had more AAE and AAAE games at the time) he would mod you if you said PS3 has better games....YEAH!casharmy

but I see you have resorted to trying to defend this now...I gave you what you asked for so what now, go into defend/excuse mode?

best post I have seen from you in a while, Ok I will share my point of view.

Tormentos IS a troll...he posts to annoy and get under the skin of xbox fans and he is pro sony/playstation.   Where I think you stepped out of line is when you threw in the word "blind".  He is not blind in the slightest, he knows exactly what he is saying and does a good job of explaining that with little to no name calling or personal bashing to the individuals he is debating with.

Rememer this is system wars, so what is wrong with a PS fan being a troll and using his arguments to get under the skin of other users and getting a laugh?  Maybe your view of sony fans in general make you take that stance even if it is not reflecting the way things actually are.  As long as someone posts based on facts followed by a sound argument it doen't matter if they are tolling or not, this is system wars!

You mention posters making it a mission to seek out and bash a system...well how come you didn't menton Preach, RRDD360 or Miketheman83.  Have you seen THEIR threads?  Tormentos level of fanboyism is childs play compared to these guys because Tormentos post based on facts that is backed up by credible sources or publications.  In comparison those other guys just "invent" reasons to bash on Sony or playstation games.  

Being well justified Sony fans could run around claiming xbox fans to be the worst based on a select few who are outspoken horrible fanboy posters on SW...but they don't.  And do you know why I think that is?  IT IS STUPID!  This is system wars where fanboys go and people who don't like what you like and vice versa will be.  I took a LONG break from SW and do you know why?  Because I couldn't stand xbox360 fanboys making stupid arguments and posting with canned one linners in debates on arguments they made up or couldn't defend.   Why am I telling you that point, because you seem to have a misunderstanding about fanboy groups because you don''t put the same standards on the fans of the console/compnay you prefer over another.

I have seen you say you think PS fans are hypocritical but point for point I am sure I could beat you out on the amount of flip flopping hypocritcal reverses xbox fans have made; but even if I did that it wouldn't be to say HAHA look xbox fanbotz IZ DA WORZT, it would be to show you that the view point about sony fans which you hold so dearly is short sighted and flawed.

casharmy

As far as you saying i have low tolerance for cows........you are correct!

This account is a level 51, meaning i have been around for a long long time.....since 2003 i think on this account. (forgot the username and password for the other so i started fresh)

I have seen and heard it all honestly. And from my experience, cows have been more annoying and baseless than cows. Essentially what im saying is there are MORE cows, not that any one fanboy is any less/more fanboyish than the other. I correct lems when they post misinformation about PS3 or Sony, but i find my self responding to cows more because of the frequency of threads and comments posted by them.

I recognize that Tormentos is an intentional troll, but it does not make his information factual.

Even misinformation can be backed up with sources if the sources themselves are questionable.

Why is it that he continues to ADD bandwidth of PS4..............when the PS4s architecture doesnt work that way? That is spreading misinformation despite being corrected on it.

A lot of his posts of "facts" are often biased and skewed, as when he posts that PS3 has surpassed 360.......even though we all know that Sony bundles pS2 numbers. It is hard to have a factual debate with someone who skews their own info.

Sometimes, he makes great points, and im sure he will tell you that we have agreed on several things. I dont hate the guy, and SW isnt personal.

But i refuse to concede that he posts with facts because bias in itself tends to cloud judgement and the perception of information.

You gave me a link though to a thread created by Casey in which it shows him asking PS3 fans how they can say the PS3 is the best system when, in his eyes, no facts were there to support that notion in 2007.Stevo_the_gamer

That is subject to argument--as is evidenced by over a thousand postes of discussion on the matter. You're stating your opinion as fact on a subjective issue and applying it as rationale for a given example of moderation.

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]You gave me a link though to a thread created by Casey in which it shows him asking PS3 fans how they can say the PS3 is the best system when, in his eyes, no facts were there to support that notion in 2007.Pariah_001

That is subject to argument--as is evidenced by over a thousand postes of discussion on the matter. You're stating your opinion as fact on a subjective issue and applying it as rationale for a given example of moderation.

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

I actually would have had plenty to offer you were it not for the posts being deleted from the Ask the Mods forum. At this point, I just have my mod history, which is filled to the brim with reactionary overreach.

Pariah_001

Hehe. So you're taking an apologist position: absence of proof is proof of absence.

"Leave the mods ALONE! They all do a good job and they have integrity (I can vouch for it myself)!! Leave them ALONE!!!"

But hey, if you don't think people get screwed over because of mod abuse, that's your cake to bake.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]You gave me a link though to a thread created by Casey in which it shows him asking PS3 fans how they can say the PS3 is the best system when, in his eyes, no facts were there to support that notion in 2007.Stevo_the_gamer

That is subject to argument--as is evidenced by over a thousand postes of discussion on the matter. You're stating your opinion as fact on a subjective issue and applying it as rationale for a given example of moderation.

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about.

" applying it as rationale for a given example of moderation"

Apparently you only read what you want to read. Consummate GS moderator.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] So, in other words, you have absolutely no evidence to support your claim.clone01

Hehe. So you're taking an apologist position: absence of proof is proof of absence.

"Leave the mods ALONE! They all do a good job and they have integrity (I can vouch for it myself)!! Leave them ALONE!!!"

But hey, if you don't think people get screwed over because of mod abuse, that's your cake to bake.

In which case, you believe that no one has gotten screwed over by moderator bias. They're all perfect bastions of integrity and never apply GS rules erroneously.

Good for you clone!:D

" applying it as rationale for a given example of moderation"

Apparently you only read what you want to read. Consummate GS moderator.

Pariah_001

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

 

best post I have seen from you in a while, Ok I will share my point of view.

Tormentos IS a troll...he posts to annoy and get under the skin of xbox fans and he is pro sony/playstation.   Where I think you stepped out of line is when you threw in the word "blind".  He is not blind in the slightest, he knows exactly what he is saying and does a good job of explaining that with little to no name calling or personal bashing to the individuals he is debating with.

Rememer this is system wars, so what is wrong with a PS fan being a troll and using his arguments to get under the skin of other users and getting a laugh?  Maybe your view of sony fans in general make you take that stance even if it is not reflecting the way things actually are.  As long as someone posts based on facts followed by a sound argument it doen't matter if they are tolling or not, this is system wars!

You mention posters making it a mission to seek out and bash a system...well how come you didn't menton Preach, RRDD360 or Miketheman83.  Have you seen THEIR threads?  Tormentos level of fanboyism is childs play compared to these guys because Tormentos post based on facts that is backed up by credible sources or publications.  In comparison those other guys just "invent" reasons to bash on Sony or playstation games.  

Being well justified Sony fans could run around claiming xbox fans to be the worst based on a select few who are outspoken horrible fanboy posters on SW...but they don't.  And do you know why I think that is?  IT IS STUPID!  This is system wars where fanboys go and people who don't like what you like and vice versa will be.  I took a LONG break from SW and do you know why?  Because I couldn't stand xbox360 fanboys making stupid arguments and posting with canned one linners in debates on arguments they made up or couldn't defend.   Why am I telling you that point, because you seem to have a misunderstanding about fanboy groups because you don''t put the same standards on the fans of the console/compnay you prefer over another.

I have seen you say you think PS fans are hypocritical but point for point I am sure I could beat you out on the amount of flip flopping hypocritcal reverses xbox fans have made; but even if I did that it wouldn't be to say HAHA look xbox fanbotz IZ DA WORZT, it would be to show you that the view point about sony fans which you hold so dearly is short sighted and flawed.

tormentos

I say drop it you will get a warning here,i already did for saying Stevo suffer amnesia,incredible but true only xbox fans are allowed to say and do any sh** on this board,so save your self the pain and warning or possible ban,because that is what they want,i have people here that quote me and soon as i reply they look for something to complain because they want me gon.

The best argument you can make is this thread,lool at the damage controls it has cause but have you see any one refuting my points with links.? They get mad because i always find ways to shut down their silly arguments,i will start posting less and laughing more,my account is 2003 way older than many of those who complain about me,so i don't want to lose it.

Thanks for all the defending at least you see things like they are.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

 

best post I have seen from you in a while, Ok I will share my point of view.

Tormentos IS a troll...he posts to annoy and get under the skin of xbox fans and he is pro sony/playstation.   Where I think you stepped out of line is when you threw in the word "blind".  He is not blind in the slightest, he knows exactly what he is saying and does a good job of explaining that with little to no name calling or personal bashing to the individuals he is debating with.

Rememer this is system wars, so what is wrong with a PS fan being a troll and using his arguments to get under the skin of other users and getting a laugh?  Maybe your view of sony fans in general make you take that stance even if it is not reflecting the way things actually are.  As long as someone posts based on facts followed by a sound argument it doen't matter if they are tolling or not, this is system wars!

You mention posters making it a mission to seek out and bash a system...well how come you didn't menton Preach, RRDD360 or Miketheman83.  Have you seen THEIR threads?  Tormentos level of fanboyism is childs play compared to these guys because Tormentos post based on facts that is backed up by credible sources or publications.  In comparison those other guys just "invent" reasons to bash on Sony or playstation games.  

Being well justified Sony fans could run around claiming xbox fans to be the worst based on a select few who are outspoken horrible fanboy posters on SW...but they don't.  And do you know why I think that is?  IT IS STUPID!  This is system wars where fanboys go and people who don't like what you like and vice versa will be.  I took a LONG break from SW and do you know why?  Because I couldn't stand xbox360 fanboys making stupid arguments and posting with canned one linners in debates on arguments they made up or couldn't defend.   Why am I telling you that point, because you seem to have a misunderstanding about fanboy groups because you don''t put the same standards on the fans of the console/compnay you prefer over another.

I have seen you say you think PS fans are hypocritical but point for point I am sure I could beat you out on the amount of flip flopping hypocritcal reverses xbox fans have made; but even if I did that it wouldn't be to say HAHA look xbox fanbotz IZ DA WORZT, it would be to show you that the view point about sony fans which you hold so dearly is short sighted and flawed.

tormentos

I say drop it you will get a warning here,i already did for saying Stevo suffer amnesia,incredible but true only xbox fans are allowed to say and do any sh** on this board,so save your self the pain and warning or possible ban,because that is what they want,i have people here that quote me and soon as i reply they look for something to complain because they want me gon.

The best argument you can make is this thread,lool at the damage controls it has cause but have you see any one refuting my points with links.? They get mad because i always find ways to shut down their silly arguments,i will start posting less and laughing more,my account is 2003 way older than many of those who complain about me,so i don't want to lose it.

Thanks for all the defending at least you see things like they are.

It all get's tiresome really when one group doesn't even use facts to fuel their arguments.  So far I have only seen you prove yourself right in every heated debate you have had with hot headed xbox fans who used their opinion and mass name calling as their counter debate.

I honestly hate fanboyism that is based on lies, conflicting history, misleading information and simple hate.  As long as someone can rationalize their argument as to why the think or believe something based on some kind of verifiable facts I can accept how they feel even if I disagree and argue otherwise.  With that said, there is no way someone can say someone else is "blind" who argues in that manner unless they themselves are the ones arguing on a blind or false premise.

Honestly, moderations have got ridiculous recently.  I've been modded for a shit load of stuff that happens every single day. 

Chutebox

did ron already sieged this thread with TEH SECRET SAUCE?

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

" applying it as rationale for a given example of moderation"

Apparently you only read what you want to read. Consummate GS moderator.

Stevo_the_gamer

Ah. So now you're trying to swerve the topic away from your defense of Wegner and general mod abuse in favor of talking about tinfoil hats.

Well, I can't say I blame you Stevo. Like I said, I made fools of a bunch of mods here in the past and I can't say I'd favor your odds in this instance.

It is a testament to how far we've come, however, that we're able to talk about this. Six years ago, Wegner would have interpreted my responses in this thread as a form of "trolling".

But anyway, enjoy defending your ilk.

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"]TLHBOclone01

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

" applying it as rationale for a given example of moderation"

Apparently you only read what you want to read. Consummate GS moderator.

Pariah_001

Ah. So now you're trying to swerve the topic away from your defense of Wegner and general mod abuse in favor of talking about tinfoil hats.

Well, I can't say I blame you Stevo. Like I said, I made fools of a bunch of mods here in the past and I can't say I'd favor your odds in this instance.

It is a testament to how far we've come, however, that we're able to talk about this. Six years ago, Wegner would have interpreted my responses in this thread as a form of "trolling".

But anyway, enjoy defending your ilk.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"]TLHBOMr-Kutaragi

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] That's rather silly and incredibly disingenuous to imply that. Furthermore, looking through the thread I see not where Casey "made up rules."

Stevo_the_gamer

but I see you have resorted to trying to defend this now...I gave you what you asked for so what now, go into defend/excuse mode?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="casharmy"]Well, I should correct myself when I say he said he would mod someone who didn't agree with what the spreadsheet said because he does not say that in this thread.  He says it in other threads in arguments with various PS3 fans, those threads weren't the magnatude of this particualr thread so I do not remember the subject or title to quote it but I specifically remember because OTHER users were complaing about it, it wasn't even me who he was making the threats to.

but I see you have resorted to trying to defend this now...I gave you what you asked for so what now, go into defend/excuse mode?

casharmy

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] That's rather silly and incredibly disingenuous to imply that. Furthermore, looking through the thread I see not where Casey "made up rules."

Stevo_the_gamer

but I see you have resorted to trying to defend this now...I gave you what you asked for so what now, go into defend/excuse mode?

WTF?????????   STOP RIGHT THERE!!!! 

This is not what the thread said at all.  

Can the PS3 be defended...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25958354/can-the-ps3-be-defended...?page=0

can you not read now Mr. Mod?  That's COMPLETELY different from what he actually said.  Was that an attempt to change the context?  His argument was idiotic and fanboyish as the worst fanboys you seem talk trash on yet here you are...Oh it's ok because he was talking against PS3 fans in favor of xbox360, my how your opinion changes when different fanboys groups are involved.

:roll: I think I will quote a comment used by Delta when debating  multiple sony fans because it seems fitting:

stop trying to change the facts to satisfy your MS fanboy agenda!  Your desperation in this discussion is becoming more and more apparent the more you post, I suggest you stop making excuses because all you will get is fail here.  

You should never have asked for an example since you were only going to try to counter it with some BS excuse to say why (x)  fanboy argument is not as bad as (Y) fanboy argument...but you are only digging yourself an even bigger whole by doing so.