Xbox one = 7790 confirmed by xbox one Architec.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

best post I have seen from you in a while, Ok I will share my point of view.

Tormentos IS a troll...he posts to annoy and get under the skin of xbox fans and he is pro sony/playstation.   Where I think you stepped out of line is when you threw in the word "blind".  He is not blind in the slightest, he knows exactly what he is saying and does a good job of explaining that with little to no name calling or personal bashing to the individuals he is debating with.

Rememer this is system wars, so what is wrong with a PS fan being a troll and using his arguments to get under the skin of other users and getting a laugh?  Maybe your view of sony fans in general make you take that stance even if it is not reflecting the way things actually are.  As long as someone posts based on facts followed by a sound argument it doen't matter if they are tolling or not, this is system wars!

You mention posters making it a mission to seek out and bash a system...well how come you didn't menton Preach, RRDD360 or Miketheman83.  Have you seen THEIR threads?  Tormentos level of fanboyism is childs play compared to these guys because Tormentos post based on facts that is backed up by credible sources or publications.  In comparison those other guys just "invent" reasons to bash on Sony or playstation games.  

Being well justified Sony fans could run around claiming xbox fans to be the worst based on a select few who are outspoken horrible fanboy posters on SW...but they don't.  And do you know why I think that is?  IT IS STUPID!  This is system wars where fanboys go and people who don't like what you like and vice versa will be.  I took a LONG break from SW and do you know why?  Because I couldn't stand xbox360 fanboys making stupid arguments and posting with canned one linners in debates on arguments they made up or couldn't defend.   Why am I telling you that point, because you seem to have a misunderstanding about fanboy groups because you don''t put the same standards on the fans of the console/compnay you prefer over another.

I have seen you say you think PS fans are hypocritical but point for point I am sure I could beat you out on the amount of flip flopping hypocritcal reverses xbox fans have made; but even if I did that it wouldn't be to say HAHA look xbox fanbotz IZ DA WORZT, it would be to show you that the view point about sony fans which you hold so dearly is short sighted and flawed.

navyguy21

As far as you saying i have low tolerance for cows........you are correct!

This account is a level 51, meaning i have been around for a long long time.....since 2003 i think on this account. (forgot the username and password for the other so i started fresh)

I have seen and heard it all honestly. And from my experience, cows have been more annoying and baseless than cows. Essentially what im saying is there are MORE cows, not that any one fanboy is any less/more fanboyish than the other. I correct lems when they post misinformation about PS3 or Sony, but i find my self responding to cows more because of the frequency of threads and comments posted by them.

I recognize that Tormentos is an intentional troll, but it does not make his information factual.

Even misinformation can be backed up with sources if the sources themselves are questionable.

Why is it that he continues to ADD bandwidth of PS4..............when the PS4s architecture doesnt work that way? That is spreading misinformation despite being corrected on it.

A lot of his posts of "facts" are often biased and skewed, as when he posts that PS3 has surpassed 360.......even though we all know that Sony bundles pS2 numbers. It is hard to have a factual debate with someone who skews their own info.

Sometimes, he makes great points, and im sure he will tell you that we have agreed on several things. I dont hate the guy, and SW isnt personal.

But i refuse to concede that he posts with facts because bias in itself tends to cloud judgement and the perception of information.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="casharmy"]Well, I should correct myself when I say he said he would mod someone who didn't agree with what the spreadsheet said because he does not say that in this thread.  He says it in other threads in arguments with various PS3 fans, those threads weren't the magnatude of this particualr thread so I do not remember the subject or title to quote it but I specifically remember because OTHER users were complaing about it, it wasn't even me who he was making the threats to.

but I see you have resorted to trying to defend this now...I gave you what you asked for so what now, go into defend/excuse mode?

casharmy

WTF?????????   STOP RIGHT THERE!!!! 

This is not what the thread said at all.  

Can the PS3 be defended...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25958354/can-the-ps3-be-defended...?page=0

can you not read now Mr. Mod?  That's COMPLETELY different from what he actually said.  Was that an attempt to change the context?  His argument was idiotic and fanboyish as the worst fanboys you seem talk trash on yet here you are...Oh it's ok because he was talking against PS3 fans in favor of xbox360, my how your opinion changes when different fanboys groups are involved.

:roll: I think I will quote a comment used by Delta when debating  multiple sony fans because it seems fitting:

stop trying to change the facts to satisfy your MS fanboy agenda!  Your desperation in this discussion is becoming more and more apparent the more you post, I suggest you stop making excuses because all you will get is fail here.  

You should never have asked for an example since you were only going to try to counter it with some BS excuse to say why (x)  fanboy argument is not as bad as (Y) fanboy argument...but you are only digging yourself an even bigger whole by doing so.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]You gave me a link though to a thread created by Casey in which it shows him asking PS3 fans how they can say the PS3 is the best system when, in his eyes, no facts were there to support that notion in 2007. What I'm confused to as what that has to do with him changing "rules" or whatever you were initially implying? You say something about how he flip flopped or something, but what does his opinion have to do with the metagame? It seems like to me you're under the impression he had complete control of how SW interpreted the game. Rather odd.clone01

WTF?????????   STOP RIGHT THERE!!!! 

This is not what the thread said at all.  

Can the PS3 be defended...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25958354/can-the-ps3-be-defended...?page=0

can you not read now Mr. Mod?  That's COMPLETELY different from what he actually said.  Was that an attempt to change the context?  His argument was idiotic and fanboyish as the worst fanboys you seem talk trash on yet here you are...Oh it's ok because he was talking against PS3 fans in favor of xbox360, my how your opinion changes when different fanboys groups are involved.

:roll: I think I will quote a comment used by Delta when debating  multiple sony fans because it seems fitting:

stop trying to change the facts to satisfy your MS fanboy agenda!  Your desperation in this discussion is becoming more and more apparent the more you post, I suggest you stop making excuses because all you will get is fail here.  

You should never have asked for an example since you were only going to try to counter it with some BS excuse to say why (x)  fanboy argument is not as bad as (Y) fanboy argument...but you are only digging yourself an even bigger whole by doing so.

WTF?????????   STOP RIGHT THERE!!!! 

This is not what the thread said at all.  

Can the PS3 be defended...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25958354/can-the-ps3-be-defended...?page=0

can you not read now Mr. Mod?  That's COMPLETELY different from what he actually said.  Was that an attempt to change the context?  His argument was idiotic and fanboyish as the worst fanboys you seem talk trash on yet here you are...Oh it's ok because he was talking against PS3 fans in favor of xbox360, my how your opinion changes when different fanboys groups are involved.

:roll: I think I will quote a comment used by Delta when debating  multiple sony fans because it seems fitting:

stop trying to change the facts to satisfy your MS fanboy agenda!  Your desperation in this discussion is becoming more and more apparent the more you post, I suggest you stop making excuses because all you will get is fail here.  

You should never have asked for an example since you were only going to try to counter it with some BS excuse to say why (x)  fanboy argument is not as bad as (Y) fanboy argument...but you are only digging yourself an even bigger whole by doing so.

casharmy

I can read just fine; his original post can be rather open-ended in what he was aiming at hence why, a few posts later, he added a specific note asking specifically...

more specifically, can you use games (not your personal opinion) to argue that the ps3 is the best right now or even the best relative to how long it's been out?

I'm not sure how his argument was idiotic or fanboyism, or how I'm trying to satify a "MS fanboy" agenda by asking you how Casey was trying to "change the rules." You're jumping all over the place here, mate. Hard to follow, really.

typical...see Navy?  This is what I was talking about.casharmy

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Honestly, moderations have got ridiculous recently.  I've been modded for a shit load of stuff that happens every single day. 

Giancar

An issue that I brought up earlier this year but fell on deaf ears.

pretty much

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"] limpbox confirm. MS damage controlling. Mr-Kutaragi

In the first post that was full in lies and utter crap? If you have read the thread, you would know nothing he said was truthful. In fact it was a giant troll post.

Than again i dont see much of substance from you either other than pointless post such as these... 

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="casharmy"]Well, I should correct myself when I say he said he would mod someone who didn't agree with what the spreadsheet said because he does not say that in this thread.  He says it in other threads in arguments with various PS3 fans, those threads weren't the magnatude of this particualr thread so I do not remember the subject or title to quote it but I specifically remember because OTHER users were complaing about it, it wasn't even me who he was making the threats to.

but I see you have resorted to trying to defend this now...I gave you what you asked for so what now, go into defend/excuse mode?

casharmy

WTF?????????   STOP RIGHT THERE!!!! 

This is not what the thread said at all.  

Can the PS3 be defended...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25958354/can-the-ps3-be-defended...?page=0

can you not read now Mr. Mod?  That's COMPLETELY different from what he actually said.  Was that an attempt to change the context?  His argument was idiotic and fanboyish as the worst fanboys you seem talk trash on yet here you are...Oh it's ok because he was talking against PS3 fans in favor of xbox360, my how your opinion changes when different fanboys groups are involved.

:roll: I think I will quote a comment used by Delta when debating  multiple sony fans because it seems fitting:

stop trying to change the facts to satisfy your MS fanboy agenda!  Your desperation in this discussion is becoming more and more apparent the more you post, I suggest you stop making excuses because all you will get is fail here.  

You should never have asked for an example since you were only going to try to counter it with some BS excuse to say why (x)  fanboy argument is not as bad as (Y) fanboy argument...but you are only digging yourself an even bigger whole by doing so.

You need to get off the computer and go outside. Pronto.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]You gave me a link though to a thread created by Casey in which it shows him asking PS3 fans how they can say the PS3 is the best system when, in his eyes, no facts were there to support that notion in 2007. What I'm confused to as what that has to do with him changing "rules" or whatever you were initially implying? You say something about how he flip flopped or something, but what does his opinion have to do with the metagame? It seems like to me you're under the impression he had complete control of how SW interpreted the game. Rather odd.Zophar87

WTF?????????   STOP RIGHT THERE!!!! 

This is not what the thread said at all.  

Can the PS3 be defended...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25958354/can-the-ps3-be-defended...?page=0

can you not read now Mr. Mod?  That's COMPLETELY different from what he actually said.  Was that an attempt to change the context?  His argument was idiotic and fanboyish as the worst fanboys you seem talk trash on yet here you are...Oh it's ok because he was talking against PS3 fans in favor of xbox360, my how your opinion changes when different fanboys groups are involved.

:roll: I think I will quote a comment used by Delta when debating  multiple sony fans because it seems fitting:

stop trying to change the facts to satisfy your MS fanboy agenda!  Your desperation in this discussion is becoming more and more apparent the more you post, I suggest you stop making excuses because all you will get is fail here.  

You should never have asked for an example since you were only going to try to counter it with some BS excuse to say why (x)  fanboy argument is not as bad as (Y) fanboy argument...but you are only digging yourself an even bigger whole by doing so.

You need to get off the computer and go outside. Pronto.

Poor lems are going to be utterly destroyed this gen, can't wait to see the damage control

Also, it's kind of ironic. If you look at the thread that casharmy posted; The present day lems sound a lot like cows from back then.

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

WTF?????????   STOP RIGHT THERE!!!! 

This is not what the thread said at all.  

Can the PS3 be defended...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25958354/can-the-ps3-be-defended...?page=0

can you not read now Mr. Mod?  That's COMPLETELY different from what he actually said.  Was that an attempt to change the context?  His argument was idiotic and fanboyish as the worst fanboys you seem talk trash on yet here you are...Oh it's ok because he was talking against PS3 fans in favor of xbox360, my how your opinion changes when different fanboys groups are involved.

:roll: I think I will quote a comment used by Delta when debating  multiple sony fans because it seems fitting:

stop trying to change the facts to satisfy your MS fanboy agenda!  Your desperation in this discussion is becoming more and more apparent the more you post, I suggest you stop making excuses because all you will get is fail here.  

You should never have asked for an example since you were only going to try to counter it with some BS excuse to say why (x)  fanboy argument is not as bad as (Y) fanboy argument...but you are only digging yourself an even bigger whole by doing so.

clone01

You need to get off the computer and go outside. Pronto.

I can probably outrun him on a treadmill. I'll be okay.

We already knew it had a 7790, also this thread got ridiculous!!!

Poor lems are going to be utterly destroyed this gen, can't wait to see the damage control

Davekeeh

Hallo. 

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Poor lems are going to be utterly destroyed this gen, can't wait to see the damage control

psymon100

Hallo. 

One and Done

- Xbox :cool:

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Poor lems are going to be utterly destroyed this gen, can't wait to see the damage control

psymon100

Hallo.

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="clone01"] You're not really providing any evidence that supports that theory.urbansys

In the first post that was full in lies and utter crap? If you have read the thread, you would know nothing he said was truthful. In fact it was a giant troll post.

Than again i dont see much of substance from you either other than pointless post such as these... 

I believe that this was initially started because you still feel wronged by "moderations" that occurred 4 years ago and I can see rational arguments be made for each of the moderations I viewed. Stevo_the_gamer

"This" was started beause someone else pointed out moderator bias and/or hypocrisy, and I used my own examples to back up his claims.

My ultimate point was that no matter what another moderator does--whether he abuses his position or not--his peers will always rationalize whatever excuse is used. Basically what you did just now.

I've said this multiple times, but you've chosen to ignore it and focus on the more peripheral aspects of my posts to hide from the issue.

You think in that you are alone in this case even though I agreed in the context of having to walk on egg shells those years ago. What I fail to see now is why you continue to rant about CaseyWegner; are you under the impression he's the reason why you were banned and/or the reason why you have so many moderations? If so, that would be quite unwise.Stevo_the_gamer

I really don't care about Wegner. All I've done here is cosign a complaint with regards to his modship and then subsequently pointed out how Wegner-esque abuses go unpunished. Incidentally, I also pointed out how you rationalized his abuses.

And yes, I'm sure you would acknowledge that GS rules were entirely too strict prior to the reform. But you seem to find it significantly more difficult to acknowledge that the rules were a problem only insofar as their stringency made it easier for the mods to stretch their definition and penalize whoever they want for whatever reason.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]You gave me a link though to a thread created by Casey in which it shows him asking PS3 fans how they can say the PS3 is the best system when, in his eyes, no facts were there to support that notion in 2007. What I'm confused to as what that has to do with him changing "rules" or whatever you were initially implying? You say something about how he flip flopped or something, but what does his opinion have to do with the metagame? It seems like to me you're under the impression he had complete control of how SW interpreted the game. Rather odd.clone01

WTF?????????   STOP RIGHT THERE!!!! 

This is not what the thread said at all.  

Can the PS3 be defended...

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25958354/can-the-ps3-be-defended...?page=0

can you not read now Mr. Mod?  That's COMPLETELY different from what he actually said.  Was that an attempt to change the context?  His argument was idiotic and fanboyish as the worst fanboys you seem talk trash on yet here you are...Oh it's ok because he was talking against PS3 fans in favor of xbox360, my how your opinion changes when different fanboys groups are involved.

:roll: I think I will quote a comment used by Delta when debating  multiple sony fans because it seems fitting:

stop trying to change the facts to satisfy your MS fanboy agenda!  Your desperation in this discussion is becoming more and more apparent the more you post, I suggest you stop making excuses because all you will get is fail here.  

You should never have asked for an example since you were only going to try to counter it with some BS excuse to say why (x)  fanboy argument is not as bad as (Y) fanboy argument...but you are only digging yourself an even bigger whole by doing so.

So even when someone provides evidence, you'll just brush it off anyway. Roger.

The mods must be godly figures in your eyes. Surely they can do no wrong!

a 7790? jeez...

did ron already sieged this thread with TEH SECRET SAUCE?

Krelian-co

I don't get it. This is System Wars, yet anytime the Xbox is owned there's some appologist coming out of the wood works as if to preach to us how none of this matters..

 

Well then, Leave System Wars? :lol:

 

In 2005 when cows were getting slaughtered NOBODY said shit.. thus is the way of SW. Let it happen

Douevenlift_bro

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] It depends on the workload type. PS4 doesn't have 7950 class GPU for absolute X1 killer.tormentos

It has a gimped 7870 which is an absolute step abode a gimped 7790...:lol:

What's with AMD and this silly GCN architecture? Day 1 PC gaming gonna run circles around this crap.

Mystery_Writer

did ron already sieged this thread with TEH SECRET SAUCE?

Krelian-co

He still looking for it,he is talking to his sources inside AMD to confirm his theory about the xbox one GPU been a hybrid 7790 cross with a 7850.

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

What's with AMD and this silly GCN architecture? Day 1 PC gaming gonna run circles around this crap.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Well done Tormentos, the tech king of SW

tormentos

In fact from the article i posted here it show that ESRAM is not been use as a cache but more like a scratch pad dude.

ESRAM is fully integrated into our page tables and so you can kind of mix and match the ESRAM and the DDR memory as you go.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

What's with AMD and this silly GCN architecture? Day 1 PC gaming gonna run circles around this crap.

NameIess_One

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

did ron already sieged this thread with TEH SECRET SAUCE?

tormentos

He still looking for it,he is talking to his sources inside AMD to confirm his theory about the xbox one GPU been a hybrid 7790 cross with a 7850.

Pretty weak.

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"][QUOTE="clone01"] You're not really providing any evidence that supports that theory.urbansys

In the first post that was full in lies and utter crap? If you have read the thread, you would know nothing he said was truthful. In fact it was a giant troll post.

Than again i dont see much of substance from you either other than pointless post such as these... 

Did you actually read the bold quotes.?

That info came straight from MS.

Here let me help.

I have several months fighting lemmings about the xbox one spec,basically since they were leaks and all they do was accuse me on believing any crap and rumor and that they would wait for final specs,well the finals specs arrived nothing changed basically and all the nightmares bacame true,after that the argument has shifted to everything will look the same on both units based on nothing but pure fanboysm and wishful thinking on part of fans and MS who has been lying for months to their fan base.

And want to pretend now that 12CU GCN is equally powerful as an 18 CU GCN,using some  very strange math and some out of this world theories,from we invented DirectX,to trying to imply that the console is more balance than the PS4 when it isn't,to claim that with more CU you get diminishing returns,when in reality we all know that is a lie more CU more peformance.

Now some fan here like Ronvalencia,Stormyjoe and some other have been fighting me over the spec and what the difference will amount to,for months i have been telling Ronvalencia that the GCN in the xbox one is Bonaire with 2 CU off for yields,just like the PS4 is a 7870 with 2 CU off for yields,and he refuse to see that now,on the article that i quoted today MS admit that its GPU is 14 CU with 2 disable for redundancy (yields) what i have been say for months.

Ron continues his denial and refuse to admit that it is Bonaire,not only that MS confirmed that 204GB/s is not the usefull bandwidth but more like 140 or 150 which is allot less,not only that the way they talk about the ESRAM it self it shows that it is not used as cache but rather as a programable scratch pad,and basically confirm that the whole 15 processors they were talking about to help the xbox one are a non factor,and the PS4 has hardware to compensate those to.

So no there were no lies and craps only broken dream to some people..:D

The 7790 is a poor poor card. I don't understand why Sony and MS went in with such poor gpu's. I understand the CPU being weak as shit, but why the GPU?

-Snooze-

[QUOTE="urbansys"]

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"] Evidence is in first post. Please do not cry.tormentos

In the first post that was full in lies and utter crap? If you have read the thread, you would know nothing he said was truthful. In fact it was a giant troll post.

Than again i dont see much of substance from you either other than pointless post such as these... 

Did you actually read the bold quotes.?

That info came straight from MS.

Here let me help.

I have several months fighting lemmings about the xbox one spec,basically since they were leaks and all they do was accuse me on believing any crap and rumor and that they would wait for final specs,well the finals specs arrived nothing changed basically and all the nightmares bacame true,after that the argument has shifted to everything will look the same on both units based on nothing but pure fanboysm and wishful thinking on part of fans and MS who has been lying for months to their fan base.

And want to pretend now that 12CU GCN is equally powerful as an 18 CU GCN,using some  very strange math and some out of this world theories,from we invented DirectX,to trying to imply that the console is more balance than the PS4 when it isn't,to claim that with more CU you get diminishing returns,when in reality we all know that is a lie more CU more peformance.

Now some fan here like Ronvalencia,Stormyjoe and some other have been fighting me over the spec and what the difference will amount to,for months i have been telling Ronvalencia that the GCN in the xbox one is Bonaire with 2 CU off for yields,just like the PS4 is a 7870 with 2 CU off for yields,and he refuse to see that now,on the article that i quoted today MS admit that its GPU is 14 CU with 2 disable for redundancy (yields) what i have been say for months.

Ron continues his denial and refuse to admit that it is Bonaire,not only that MS confirmed that 204GB/s is not the usefull bandwidth but more like 140 or 150 which is allot less,not only that the way they talk about the ESRAM it self it shows that it is not used as cache but rather as a programable scratch pad,and basically confirm that the whole 15 processors they were talking about to help the xbox one are a non factor,and the PS4 has hardware to compensate those to.

So no there were no lies and craps only broken dream to some people..:D

I respect the fact that you have an opinion and you go out of your way to support that.

That said, i dont think anyone on this board thinks that the X1 is as powerful as PS4, or has the hardware to make up the power difference.

What i have been saying..........and why i have been going at it with you........is we dont know how much that is going to matter in programmable software.

Without a doubt the PS4 is faster, has more bandwidth, simpler architecture, and more poweful GPU and CPU.

Last gen, PS3 just had a better CPU, now it is both.

What you need to relax on is that we dont know what the PERFORMANCE differences will be, as numbers on paper dont tell the whole story. We dont know what is locked, what is capped, what is dedicated to other things, what MS and Sony arent telling us, and how a single pool of GDDR5 RAM will affect game developement.

We know that GDDR5 is faster, but how well will the CPU be able to use it? How do we know the ESRAM wont slow development.....or if it works as advertised, etc.

Cant you at least concede that there are tons of unknowns? 

There was no GPU downclocks. I was the first (in GS's SW) to use prototype-7850 with 12 CU @ 860Mhz which is ~1.3 TFLOPS which matches X1's 853Mhz GPU clock speed.ronvalencia

No it doesn't the 7850 is 32 ROP so it doesn't match and 860mhz is not 853mhz and the xbox one GPU was rise from 800Mhz.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] There was no GPU downclocks. I was the first (in GS's SW) to use prototype-7850 with 12 CU @ 860Mhz which is ~1.3 TFLOPS which matches X1's 853Mhz GPU clock speed.tormentos

No it doesn't the 7850 is 32 ROP so it doesn't match and 860mhz is not 853mhz and the xbox one GPU was rise from 800Mhz.

The memory speed would gimp the 32 ROPS i.e. 7970 says Hi. 32 ROPS doesn't operate in isolation i.e. it needs memory writes. Alpha blends (via ROPS) needs memory read and write.

[QUOTE="biggles2120"] Wow, so the GPU downgrade was true but they concealed it was a puny overclock. This garbage with 6% overclock was better than 2 CU's. Microsoft saving some money on yields. That was a pure $$$ decision there. Sad. ronvalencia

Xbox ONE doesn't have a 7850. The Xbox ONE has a 7770 with a 2nd GPU that's on-par with AMD 9970. You gotta pay for Xbox LIVE Platinum to unlock the hidden GPU. :cool:

[QUOTE="urbansys"]

[QUOTE="Mr-Kutaragi"] Evidence is in first post. Please do not cry.tormentos

In the first post that was full in lies and utter crap? If you have read the thread, you would know nothing he said was truthful. In fact it was a giant troll post.

Than again i dont see much of substance from you either other than pointless post such as these... 

Did you actually read the bold quotes.?

That info came straight from MS.

Here let me help.

I have several months fighting lemmings about the xbox one spec,basically since they were leaks and all they do was accuse me on believing any crap and rumor and that they would wait for final specs,well the finals specs arrived nothing changed basically and all the nightmares bacame true,after that the argument has shifted to everything will look the same on both units based on nothing but pure fanboysm and wishful thinking on part of fans and MS who has been lying for months to their fan base.

And want to pretend now that 12CU GCN is equally powerful as an 18 CU GCN,using some  very strange math and some out of this world theories,from we invented DirectX,to trying to imply that the console is more balance than the PS4 when it isn't,to claim that with more CU you get diminishing returns,when in reality we all know that is a lie more CU more peformance.

Now some fan here like Ronvalencia,Stormyjoe and some other have been fighting me over the spec and what the difference will amount to,for months i have been telling Ronvalencia that the GCN in the xbox one is Bonaire with 2 CU off for yields,just like the PS4 is a 7870 with 2 CU off for yields,and he refuse to see that now,on the article that i quoted today MS admit that its GPU is 14 CU with 2 disable for redundancy (yields) what i have been say for months.

Ron continues his denial and refuse to admit that it is Bonaire,not only that MS confirmed that 204GB/s is not the usefull bandwidth but more like 140 or 150 which is allot less,not only that the way they talk about the ESRAM it self it shows that it is not used as cache but rather as a programable scratch pad,and basically confirm that the whole 15 processors they were talking about to help the xbox one are a non factor,and the PS4 has hardware to compensate those to.

So no there were no lies and craps only broken dream to some people..:D