Pay once for your Gold --> get to keep your games forever even when subscription expires.
"Pay once for your Gold" isn't actually correct, especially in this Xbone thread.
I guess you never heard, but when you pay for XBL GOLD you don't get to keep your GWG games on Xbone. It works exactly like PS+.
What you are referring to is last gen. The XBL GOLD Xbox 360 GWG worked like that, but the 360 was discontinued recently and 360 GWG isn't far behind. Unfortunately, things changed this gen with the Xbone and GWG.
So you pay once for Gold, you don't keep your Xbox games forever when your subscription expires for all Xbox games, only 360 GWG games.
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This felt familiar, so I checked and it turns out quite a few members have told you this information over the last year, so you already knew this right?
It's neither the first to do BC with saves compatible, or the best to do it. Both honours go to Nintendo, with differing systems depending on how pedantic you want to get.
But of course, Nintendo doesn't count. Praise be to glorious leader Spencer for throwing a few 360 titles our way when he can't get the kind of support the Xbone itself needs.
In case anybody wants to cut in with some weak ass "Bu...Bu...PS4...", Never felt the need to go back to PS3 titles with the PS4. But if I get the urge, I guess I'll just have to keep playing them on my last ten system. like 98% of the 360 library
The last generation. 2006 PS3 Cell processor, which while being hard to develop for, was far more powerful than the current 2013 PS4/Xbone's CPUs, and the PS4K's rumored slight increase in CPU processing won't be able to overcome the raw power the Cell had. The reason this is significant is because the PS3 games run on the Cell, which poses a huge technical wall in emulating PS3 games on PS4 or the rumored PS4K.
Emulating 360 games, due to the 360's 3.2 GHz PowerPC Tri-Core Xenon, is much, much easier for the Xbone to handle, although clearly BC posed problems for the Xbone hardware team, the Xenon was no Cell processor. The Xbox team managed a remarkable feat in emulating 360 on Xbone, no doubt about it, but it wouldn't be possible if the 360 was Cell powered, but thankfully it wasn't; the 360 was Xenon powered.
The Cell processor was a failure in many ways, but it was very powerful. It was also underutilized as 3rd parties had no incentive to exploit the extra juice the Cell offered, especially as the Cell and the PS4 design in general presented hardships. There were of course, 1st party teams that did use the extra power due to not having to develop and create a multiplatform engine that runs on 360/PS3/PC.
It's amazing that the ghosts of PS3 still haunt Sony for the PS4 in the case for BC (The Cell is too powerful to emulate on a hardware scale for the PS4 or rumored slightly bumped CPU of the PS4K), but from here on out if Sony sticks to x86, the PS5 should be BC with PS4 at least.
tl;dr? The PS4K won't be BC*.
*Unless PS3 hardware is inserted into the rumored PS4K, which is unlikely due to costs.
From http://www.redgamingtech.com/ubisoft-gdc-presentation-of-ps4-x1-gpu-cpu-performance/
PS3 's score with 5 SPUs at 3.2Ghz. With max 6th SPE estimated score = 117.6
PS4's score with 6 CPUs at 1.6Ghz. With max 7th CPU estimated score = 114.3
XBO's score with 6 CPUs at 1,75 Ghz. With max 7th CPU estimated score = 131
PS4 NEO's estimated score with max 7th CPUs = 149.63
Workload type: cloth physics
3rd parties must use CELL's SPEs to keep up with Xbox 360's ATI Xenos GpGPU since NVIDIA RSX is GpGPU incompetent.
Both IBM's SPE and ATI's Radeon X1900 are capable in calculating non-graphics Fold At Home workloads.
3rd party must use IBM's SPU to keep up with Xbox 360's ATI Xenos GpGPU i.e. NVIDIA's RSX is a crap and aging GPU just like their aging NVIDIA Kelper for DX12.
From https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1460125/
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"I could go on for pages listing the types of things the spu's are used for to make up for the machines aging gpu, which may be 7 series NVidia but that's basically a tweaked 6 series NVidia for the most part. But I'll just type a few off the top of my head:"
1) Two ppu/vmx units
There are three ppu/vmx units on the 360, and just one on the PS3. So any load on the 360's remaining two ppu/vmx units must be moved to spu.
2) Vertex culling
You can look back a few years at my first post talking about this, but it's common knowledge now that you need to move as much vertex load as possible to spu otherwise it won't keep pace with the 360.
3) Vertex texture sampling
You can texture sample in vertex shaders on 360 just fine, but it's unusably slow on PS3. Most multi platform games simply won't use this feature on 360 to make keeping parity easier, but if a dev does make use of it then you will have no choice but to move all such functionality to spu.
4) Shader patching
Changing variables in shader programs is cake on the 360. Not so on the PS3 because they are embedded into the shader programs. So you have to use spu's to patch your shader programs.
5) Branching
You never want a lot of branching in general, but when you do really need it the 360 handles it fine, PS3 does not. If you are stuck needing branching in shaders then you will want to move all such functionality to spu.
6) Shader inputs
You can pass plenty of inputs to shaders on 360, but do it on PS3 and your game will grind to a halt. You will want to move all such functionality to spu to minimize the amount of inputs needed on the shader programs.
7) MSAA alternatives
Msaa runs full speed on 360 gpu needing just cpu tiling calculations. Msaa on PS3 gpu is very slow. You will want to move msaa to spu as soon as you can.
Post processing
360 is unified architecture meaning post process steps can often be slotted into gpu idle time. This is not as easily doable on PS3, so you will want to move as much post process to spu as possible.
9) Load balancing
360 gpu load balances itself just fine since it's unified. If the load on a given frame shifts to heavy vertex or heavy pixel load then you don't care. Not so on PS3 where such load shifts will cause frame drops. You will want to shift as much load as possible to spu to minimize your peak load on the gpu.
10) Half floats
You can use full floats just fine on the 360 gpu. On the PS3 gpu they cause performance slowdowns. If you really need/have to use shaders with many full floats then you will want to move such functionality over to the spu's.
11) Shader array indexing
You can index into arrays in shaders on the 360 gpu no problem. You can't do that on PS3. If you absolutely need this functionality then you will have to either rework your shaders or move it all to spu.
@charizard1605:You're right but I don't use the Wii U BC myself since the 480p graphic looks terrible on a tv 720p and up. The lack of achievements doesn't provide incentive to go back.
HD to HD is a much better transition. Also, Xbox One upgraded features of game DVR, online play and snapshot.
damn I felt my IQ drop reading this drivel...
Cant play games that are made prior to 720p folks... its official...
also, cant play our favourite classics without achievements! Fun isn't an incentive... damn...
@charizard1605:You're right but I don't use the Wii U BC myself since the 480p graphic looks terrible on a tv 720p and up. The lack of achievements doesn't provide incentive to go back.
HD to HD is a much better transition. Also, Xbox One upgraded features of game DVR, online play and snapshot.
damn I felt my IQ drop reading this drivel...
Cant play games that are made prior to 720p folks... its official...
also, cant play our favourite classics without achievements! Fun isn't an incentive... damn...
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Can't drop something you don't have. Standard resolution on HD looks terrible and achievement adds incentive. It's not either or.
@charizard1605:You're right but I don't use the Wii U BC myself since the 480p graphic looks terrible on a tv 720p and up. The lack of achievements doesn't provide incentive to go back.
HD to HD is a much better transition. Also, Xbox One upgraded features of game DVR, online play and snapshot.
damn I felt my IQ drop reading this drivel...
Cant play games that are made prior to 720p folks... its official...
also, cant play our favourite classics without achievements! Fun isn't an incentive... damn...
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Can't drop something you don't have. Standard resolution on HD looks terrible and achievement adds incentive. It's not either or.
Its far from unplayable.... and you ar emoving the goal posts on the achievements comments, we both know what you meant, and that it was a f*cking shallow thing to say.
But hey, hears to a guy praising the worst form of backwards compatibility possible (other than no backwards compatibility).
The most basic emulation is being praised... classic.
@MBirdy88: Who said they were unplayable? They are still passable if a CRTV is still hooked up. Xbone offers by far the best level BC; It's not the most complete but it's certainly the best.
And console standards are way higher than PC. PC screams for joy when an indie score 80 or above. To us, a AAA title below 90 is a flop.
@MBirdy88: Who said they were unplayable? They are still passable if a CRTV is still hooked up. Xbone offers by far the best level BC; It's not the most complete but it's certainly the best.
And console standards are way higher than PC. PC screams for joy when an indie score 80 or above. To us, a AAA title below 90 is a flop.
Yet you own a PC w/ a GTX980 Ti just to game in 1080p........ Those visual novels are surely graphic demanding......
@MBirdy88: Who said they were unplayable? They are still passable if a CRTV is still hooked up. Xbone offers by far the best level BC; It's not the most complete but it's certainly the best.
And console standards are way higher than PC. PC screams for joy when an indie score 80 or above. To us, a AAA title below 90 is a flop."
Right... because "complete" is not the best BC? you seem to be mistaking the concept of BC with the concept of technological differences between 2 generations of 2 different consoles and their capability. E.G "Mario Galaxy 2 aint worth playing compared to Xbox360 games because they are 420p ..." I mean its a f*cking ridiculous concept.... Mario Galaxy looks fine on a 42' HDTV ... oh sure, its not ideal. but its far better than the majority of friggin xbox games thats for sure....
As for the second sentence... son... you can force troll it all you like, can't bite such pathetic bait.... at least the rest of your arguement is more down to preference and can be debated, this sentence though? dont be so desperate.
Lol it's a cool feature for me because I jumped into this gen with a huge 360 backlog still, so it's very convenient for me to have games I already own appear on my XOne. I use it a few hours per month mostly to play the old school arcade games that I always enjoy firing up from time to time. It's faster to load them up on the XOne compared to turning on the 360 and I prefer the XOne controller.
Yesterday I started Alan Wake, never finished the dlc before and cleaning up some achievements....game is surprisingly more fun than I remember it....anyways that's another topic. I'd like to see the bigger games that I've yet to finish but I really want to....my top ones are RDR and LA Noire. I realize this is system wars but for me it's really a practical feature and it's not something that I could care less about using to gloat.
Last gen I was quite happy about the 360 limited BC, because it allowed me to play the Street Fighter anniversary game from the OG Xbox. I never owned an OG Xbox so I was happy. This gen it's done even better, so why shouldn't I be happy about it? I've never been in this situation before, the SNES could not play my NES games....I didn't have a backlog on PS1 when I bought my PS2. It was just different times back then....right now it so happens I have a huge library of 360 games still unplayed, so it's awesome that I can carry them over to the XOne. Based on my experiences I give an 9/10, very few minor technical issues otherwise works very well for me.
Another lame lem thread, bc is sooo last gen. Keep your damn 360 if want to be reminded of the last time Microsoft was revalant.
The PS4K is suppose to be BC with PS4. Sooooo?
It won't be. The Cell processor was incredibly powerful (more powerful than the PS4 and Xbone CPUs) is a major problem and a rumored PS4K set of features won't fix that technical issue unless they insert PS3 components...which they won't because it would dramatically increase the price.
This statement is slightly incorrect. The cell CPU inside the PS3 is only slightly faster than the Jaguar in the PS4 however The Cell in PS3 is slightly slower than the Jaguar inside the Xbox One. I linked a graph created by UBI Montreal that shows the difference in performance between the cpu's. You'll also notice that if the PS4 and Xbox One use GPGPU functions they can blow the old cell out with the PS4 having the obvious advantage due to having more available GPU CU's available for GPGPU functions.
link
Back to topic.
Backwards Compatibility is always a cool feature every console should have. Not having BC is not a deal breaker but it is a cool feature to have.
@MBirdy88: Complete doesn't mean best. Enhanced triumphs complete in this case and games quality goes case by case. There are WAY more worth playing titles on 360 than Wii U by far. I much prefer 1080p than 480p any day and most would, 100%. I won't ever touch standard def games anymore unless it is remastered because of how terrible they are on modern TV.
Like I've said in other threads about the same topic. It's a nice feature that costs nothing for the consumer so it's a plus. Plus we all know that if Sony offered the same thing on the PS4 it would be the best thing since sliced bread according to Cows, but since it's MS...well.....there's no use for it, and it's somehow a negative. Just more hypoCOWricy in action.
^^^^^^ Ditto
Also, my son can play several games on-line with his profile without having a XBL membership, something he can´t do in the X360.
Yes, we get to play SOME 360 games from last gen. Well, by play I mean purchase all over again. So in a sense, it isn't even backwards compatibility, it's just Microsoft having a store with some older games on it. Until I can put in an Xbox 360 disc into my Bone and be able to play it, it won't have real backwards compatibility.
But this is something nice to have, as limited as it is.
Uummm.. you can use you XBox 360 disks and play the games. Troll much? Do you even own an XBox One or XBox 360. I don't think you do or you would know this.
There was just a thread on this BC topic a day ago, and this keeps popping up every week since last year, so I'll say again...
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Having access to less than 3% of my 360 library on my Xbone isn't enough to keep me from moving on from my 360s.
Plus, there are publishers that simply aren't supporting BC. The publishers that are on board, are also not 100% committed to BC either due to licensing issues and other reasons (remasters, etc).
Looking at all my past consoles BC use as a long, long time gamer, I won't use the BC. I buy consoles for current gen software. The Wii U has AMAZING BC, but I don't use it (as I knew I wouldn't), I use the Wii for those games. I used the GC, PS2, Atari, PS3, Wii, etc for those games.
I don't like the idea of wearing down my console to play emulated versions of last gen games (that also eat up a lot of HDD space) when I can use my Xbone for Xbone games.
I also don't expect the BC to ever fully get to even 50%, just like the 360 only got to about the 50% mark for original Xbox 1 games. Kudos to M$ though for getting people to talk about it every day and getting them to be hopeful. I warn people to temper their expectations, but to each their own. I think it's nice for consumers since it's a free option, but I'm following the guidelines set out by the TC, and answering personal questions designed for me, not everyone.
I imagine when I SPEND over a grand to purchase the upcoming Nintendo NX, Xbox Two, and PS5; I'm going to buy those expensive new consoles for upcoming future games for those machines, not to play old Wii U, Xbone, and PS4 games. I can play those games already today.
How much are you utilizing this features? I'm not using it on my launch 2013 Xbone to preserve my hardware for Xbone games.
Which games are you hoping to get added? None. Going on past BC consoles I owned, I already knew this particular feature wouldn't interest me, and I would be aggravated waiting for certain games in my library to work. If I was to answer this, I would say all my 360 games that I own, not a select few. I know that's never going to happen though due to legal issues and publisher non-compliance.
From 1-10, how happy are you with the feature? I don't like the huge HDD space requirement, nor tiny amount of games that are BC, but I'd give it a 2 for trying at least.
That's nice, now tell us what you think of Sony doing it only with the added bonus of a charge!
There was just a thread on this BC topic a day ago, and this keeps popping up every week since last year, so I'll say again...
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Having access to less than 3% of my 360 library on my Xbone isn't enough to keep me from moving on from my 360s.
Plus, there are publishers that simply aren't supporting BC. The publishers that are on board, are also not 100% committed to BC either due to licensing issues and other reasons (remasters, etc).
Looking at all my past consoles BC use as a long, long time gamer, I won't use the BC. I buy consoles for current gen software. The Wii U has AMAZING BC, but I don't use it (as I knew I wouldn't), I use the Wii for those games. I used the GC, PS2, Atari, PS3, Wii, etc for those games.
I don't like the idea of wearing down my console to play emulated versions of last gen games (that also eat up a lot of HDD space) when I can use my Xbone for Xbone games.
I also don't expect the BC to ever fully get to even 50%, just like the 360 only got to about the 50% mark for original Xbox 1 games. Kudos to M$ though for getting people to talk about it every day and getting them to be hopeful. I warn people to temper their expectations, but to each their own. I think it's nice for consumers since it's a free option, but I'm following the guidelines set out by the TC, and answering personal questions designed for me, not everyone.
I imagine when I SPEND over a grand to purchase the upcoming Nintendo NX, Xbox Two, and PS5; I'm going to buy those expensive new consoles for upcoming future games for those machines, not to play old Wii U, Xbone, and PS4 games. I can play those games already today.
How much are you utilizing this features? I'm not using it on my launch 2013 Xbone to preserve my hardware for Xbone games.
Which games are you hoping to get added? None. Going on past BC consoles I owned, I already knew this particular feature wouldn't interest me, and I would be aggravated waiting for certain games in my library to work. If I was to answer this, I would say all my 360 games that I own, not a select few. I know that's never going to happen though due to legal issues and publisher non-compliance.
From 1-10, how happy are you with the feature? I don't like the huge HDD space requirement, nor tiny amount of games that are BC, but I'd give it a 2 for trying at least.
That's nice, now tell us what you think of Sony doing it only with the added bonus of a charge!
ah yes.... because adding software emulation... which costs nothing to run after the fact, is the same as Server to Client streaming of HD video that requires very low latency ...
totally the same thing...
Not defending cows, just pointing out this moronic comparison from lems .....
@Legend002: I'm looking for the catch, are you saying something nice about Xbox? :-P
I only use it occasionally for Hydrothunder, if I want to take a break watching Netflix or whatever. I have my Xbox 360 right there next to my Xbox One and I still mostly game on that. Not sure I get you saying you gave up playing your 360 games because of the slow interface and whatever, it's not that bad. It's not 'get up and make a sandwich' bad.
It's neither the first to do BC with saves compatible, or the best to do it. Both honours go to Nintendo, with differing systems depending on how pedantic you want to get.
But of course, Nintendo doesn't count. Praise be to glorious leader Spencer for throwing a few 360 titles our way when he can't get the kind of support the Xbone itself needs.
In case anybody wants to cut in with some weak ass "Bu...Bu...PS4...", Never felt the need to go back to PS3 titles with the PS4. But if I get the urge, I guess I'll just have to keep playing them on my last ten system. like 98% of the 360 library
I don't agree with the way Nintendo does backwards compatibility. It should always be a secondary feature, in fact it should be imperfect and here's why. Nintendo has over used the same technology just to have games easily run in backwards compatibility. They will compromise their current consoles, to play games of a previous console.
The cpu that started out in the GC is ancient, yet the same old architecture is still being used in the Wii U. The Wii should never have just been an overclocked GC. There's so much more they could have done with it, so many more inbetween lower cost GPU choices they could have opted for without breaking the bank for current 7th gen tech back in 2005. That GPU just killed it for me. I'm not a graphics whore and I tried, but games looked horrible, the thing can barely pull off AA. How can I enjoy a game like Endless Ocean which is about relaxing with the Audio/Visual experience when everything looks like ass. Even the the Nvidia GPU in the old Xbox did a better job with AA at the very least.
@Legend002: I'm looking for the catch, are you saying something nice about Xbox? :-P
Thank you, Microsoft.
I speak only the truth. Microsoft doesn't really do anything right so there wasn't a reason for me to praise them. Got to give credit where credit is due when they do, however.
There was just a thread on this BC topic a day ago, and this keeps popping up every week since last year, so I'll say again...
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Having access to less than 3% of my 360 library on my Xbone isn't enough to keep me from moving on from my 360s.
Plus, there are publishers that simply aren't supporting BC. The publishers that are on board, are also not 100% committed to BC either due to licensing issues and other reasons (remasters, etc).
Looking at all my past consoles BC use as a long, long time gamer, I won't use the BC. I buy consoles for current gen software. The Wii U has AMAZING BC, but I don't use it (as I knew I wouldn't), I use the Wii for those games. I used the GC, PS2, Atari, PS3, Wii, etc for those games.
I don't like the idea of wearing down my console to play emulated versions of last gen games (that also eat up a lot of HDD space) when I can use my Xbone for Xbone games.
I also don't expect the BC to ever fully get to even 50%, just like the 360 only got to about the 50% mark for original Xbox 1 games. Kudos to M$ though for getting people to talk about it every day and getting them to be hopeful. I warn people to temper their expectations, but to each their own.
I think it's nice for consumers since it's a free option, but I'm following the guidelines set out by the TC, and answering personal questions designed for me, not everyone.
I imagine when I SPEND over a grand to purchase the upcoming Nintendo NX, Xbox Two, and PS5; I'm going to buy those expensive new consoles for upcoming future games for those machines, not to play old Wii U, Xbone, and PS4 games. I can play those games already today.
How much are you utilizing this features? I'm not using it on my launch 2013 Xbone to preserve my hardware for Xbone games.
Which games are you hoping to get added? None. Going on past BC consoles I owned, I already knew this particular feature wouldn't interest me, and I would be aggravated waiting for certain games in my library to work. If I was to answer this, I would say all my 360 games that I own, not a select few. I know that's never going to happen though due to legal issues and publisher non-compliance.
From 1-10, how happy are you with the feature? I don't like the huge HDD space requirement, nor tiny amount of games that are BC, but I'd give it a 2 for trying at least.
That's nice, now tell us what you think of Sony doing it only with the added bonus of a charge
!
ah yes.... because adding software emulation... which costs nothing to run after the fact, is the same as Server to Client streaming of HD video that requires very low latency ...
totally the same thing...
Not defending cows, just pointing out this moronic comparison from lems .....
Correct, it's a terrible comparison and he's created an offtopic strawman argument.
Plus, if that intense X fan (!) wants to create a thread on a topic (also would be retreated material), then we can discuss that Server to Client streaming BC topic. I've already answered that old question he asked a dozen+ times before (Sony's BC is 0/10 for me).
Right now we are in this Xbone BC thread and I answered on topic though (something the emotional user wasn't capable of doing).
@Legend002: I'm looking for the catch, are you saying something nice about Xbox? :-P
Thank you, Microsoft.
I speak only the truth. Microsoft doesn't really do anything right so there wasn't a reason for me to praise them. Got to give credit where credit is due when they do, however.
It's cool, I'm not trying to give you a hard time :-). Just joking around. I didn't know you had Xbox's.
@Legend002: I'm looking for the catch, are you saying something nice about Xbox? :-P
Thank you, Microsoft.
I speak only the truth. Microsoft doesn't really do anything right so there wasn't a reason for me to praise them. Got to give credit where credit is due when they do, however.
It's cool, I'm not trying to give you a hard time :-). Just joking around. I didn't know you had Xbox's.
Does that mean he has you beat, since he has Xboxs and you don't have a PS4 machine?
@Legend002: I'm looking for the catch, are you saying something nice about Xbox? :-P
Thank you, Microsoft.
I speak only the truth. Microsoft doesn't really do anything right so there wasn't a reason for me to praise them. Got to give credit where credit is due when they do, however.
It's cool, I'm not trying to give you a hard time :-). Just joking around. I didn't know you had Xbox's.
Does that mean he has you beat, since you don't have PS machines?
I have a PSONE and PSTWO and PS2.
My favourite version of Tomb Raider is the PS One version, since the PC version barely works. I also collected the many SF games on it. The PS One controller was also my PC controller of choice before the 360 pad on the PC.
I've had a silver PSTWO for a while and actually got a black PS2 and bucket of games of my choice from a teacher at college because he couldn't get rid of it lol, lucky right. Really happy to have Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Dynasty Tactics one and two because Advance Wars turned me on to turn based strategy games.
I have The Getaway, but the controls are horrendous. I have a mint version of GT4 but it's hard to play certain 3D games that have progressed so much in the genre. I'm looking for games that don't really age.
I was considering getting a PS3 and still am at different times, but I'm not sure, for me there's a handful of games different only from the Xbox 360 that I'm likely to play.
There was just a thread on this BC topic a day ago, and this keeps popping up every week since last year, so I'll say again...
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Having access to less than 3% of my 360 library on my Xbone isn't enough to keep me from moving on from my 360s.
Plus, there are publishers that simply aren't supporting BC. The publishers that are on board, are also not 100% committed to BC either due to licensing issues and other reasons (remasters, etc).
Looking at all my past consoles BC use as a long, long time gamer, I won't use the BC. I buy consoles for current gen software. The Wii U has AMAZING BC, but I don't use it (as I knew I wouldn't), I use the Wii for those games. I used the GC, PS2, Atari, PS3, Wii, etc for those games.
I don't like the idea of wearing down my console to play emulated versions of last gen games (that also eat up a lot of HDD space) when I can use my Xbone for Xbone games.
I also don't expect the BC to ever fully get to even 50%, just like the 360 only got to about the 50% mark for original Xbox 1 games. Kudos to M$ though for getting people to talk about it every day and getting them to be hopeful. I warn people to temper their expectations, but to each their own.
I think it's nice for consumers since it's a free option, but I'm following the guidelines set out by the TC, and answering personal questions designed for me, not everyone.
I imagine when I SPEND over a grand to purchase the upcoming Nintendo NX, Xbox Two, and PS5; I'm going to buy those expensive new consoles for upcoming future games for those machines, not to play old Wii U, Xbone, and PS4 games. I can play those games already today.
How much are you utilizing this features? I'm not using it on my launch 2013 Xbone to preserve my hardware for Xbone games.
Which games are you hoping to get added? None. Going on past BC consoles I owned, I already knew this particular feature wouldn't interest me, and I would be aggravated waiting for certain games in my library to work. If I was to answer this, I would say all my 360 games that I own, not a select few. I know that's never going to happen though due to legal issues and publisher non-compliance.
From 1-10, how happy are you with the feature? I don't like the huge HDD space requirement, nor tiny amount of games that are BC, but I'd give it a 2 for trying at least.
That's nice, now tell us what you think of Sony doing it only with the added bonus of a charge
!
ah yes.... because adding software emulation... which costs nothing to run after the fact, is the same as Server to Client streaming of HD video that requires very low latency ...
totally the same thing...
Not defending cows, just pointing out this moronic comparison from lems .....
Correct, it's a terrible comparison and he's created an offtopic strawman argument.
Plus, if that intense X fan (!) wants to create a thread on a topic (also would be retreated material), then we can discuss that Server to Client streaming BC topic. I've already answered that old question he asked a dozen+ times before (Sony's BC is 0/10 for me).
Right now we are in this Xbone BC thread and I answered on topic though (something the emotional user wasn't capable of doing).
Both of you are dead wrong, because PS4 does offer software emulation of PS2 titles.
But hey, you get to pay again for a game you own already.
Teh EV!L M$ charges nothing ZOMG (I am so teh manticore hippy!!!).
It's neither the first to do BC with saves compatible, or the best to do it. Both honours go to Nintendo, with differing systems depending on how pedantic you want to get.
But of course, Nintendo doesn't count. Praise be to glorious leader Spencer for throwing a few 360 titles our way when he can't get the kind of support the Xbone itself needs.
In case anybody wants to cut in with some weak ass "Bu...Bu...PS4...", Never felt the need to go back to PS3 titles with the PS4. But if I get the urge, I guess I'll just have to keep playing them on my last ten system. like 98% of the 360 library
Well at least MS didn't send out a DoA console so you can play games from a system that was full of shovelware with no enhancements.
That's nice, now tell us what you think of Sony doing it only with the added bonus of a charge
!
ah yes.... because adding software emulation... which costs nothing to run after the fact, is the same as Server to Client streaming of HD video that requires very low latency ...
totally the same thing...
Not defending cows, just pointing out this moronic comparison from lems .....
Correct, it's a terrible comparison and he's created an offtopic strawman argument.
Plus, if that intense X fan (!) wants to create a thread on a topic (also would be retreated material), then we can discuss that Server to Client streaming BC topic. I've already answered that old question he asked a dozen+ times before (Sony's BC is 0/10 for me).
Right now we are in this Xbone BC thread and I answered on topic though (something the emotional user wasn't capable of doing).
Both of you are dead wrong, because PS4 does offer software emulation of PS2 titles.
But hey, you get to pay again for a game you own already.
Teh EV!L M$ charges nothing ZOMG (I am so teh manticore hippy!!!).
You are dead wrong and acting looney, I didn't say that PS4 didn't do that. Read my posts again. ;) You must have difficulty with reading comprehension. Also, what you posted was incredibly old news.
Furthermore, I didn't say anything about your offtopic strawman fanboy rubbish. What I did answer is my score for Sony (which wasn't required and off topic), which I said that Sony is a 0/10 for BC for me vs. my Xbone score of 2/10 BC for me.
That said, it sounds like you just like arguing with yourself. If you want to have a serious discussion instead of your juvenile tantrums, then create a thread on that different topic and argue with those that participate. If you aren't aware, this is an Xbone BC thread, not a Wii U or PS4 BC thread. My post was never about any other machine other than my Xbone.
It's a bummer that the plastic consoles get you so bent out of shape you can't answer the topic or stay on topic, instead trying to skirt the topic and bring up other devices. That insecurity in avoiding answering the TC's question tells me you aren't pleased with the Xbone BC either. Clearly, you aren't pleased with the PS4 situation as you ranted off topic about, but that's another topic.
@Legend002: I'm looking for the catch, are you saying something nice about Xbox? :-P
Thank you, Microsoft.
I speak only the truth. Microsoft doesn't really do anything right so there wasn't a reason for me to praise them. Got to give credit where credit is due when they do, however.
It's cool, I'm not trying to give you a hard time :-). Just joking around. I didn't know you had Xbox's.
Does that mean he has you beat, since you don't have PS machines?
I have a PSONE and PSTWO and PS2.
My favourite version of Tomb Raider is the PS One version, since the PC version barely works. I also collected the many SF games on it. The PS One controller was also my PC controller of choice before the 360 pad on the PC.
I've had a silver PSTWO for a while and actually got a black PS2 and bucket of games of my choice from a teacher at college because he couldn't get rid of it lol, lucky right. Really happy to have Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Dynasty Tactics one and two because Advance Wars turned me on to turn based strategy games.
I have The Getaway, but the controls are horrendous. I have a mint version of GT4 but it's hard to play certain 3D games that have progressed so much in the genre. I'm looking for games that don't really age.
I was considering getting a PS3 and still am at different times, but I'm not sure, for me there's a handful of games different only from the Xbox 360 that I'm likely to play.
I'm not the lem you may think I am :-).
I was specifically talking about the PS3 and PS4 though.
It's all good, I just figured one good rub deserved another. :P
I speak only the truth. Microsoft doesn't really do anything right so there wasn't a reason for me to praise them. Got to give credit where credit is due when they do, however.
It's cool, I'm not trying to give you a hard time :-). Just joking around. I didn't know you had Xbox's.
Does that mean he has you beat, since you don't have PS machines?
I have a PSONE and PSTWO and PS2.
My favourite version of Tomb Raider is the PS One version, since the PC version barely works. I also collected the many SF games on it. The PS One controller was also my PC controller of choice before the 360 pad on the PC.
I've had a silver PSTWO for a while and actually got a black PS2 and bucket of games of my choice from a teacher at college because he couldn't get rid of it lol, lucky right. Really happy to have Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Dynasty Tactics one and two because Advance Wars turned me on to turn based strategy games.
I have The Getaway, but the controls are horrendous. I have a mint version of GT4 but it's hard to play certain 3D games that have progressed so much in the genre. I'm looking for games that don't really age.
I was considering getting a PS3 and still am at different times, but I'm not sure, for me there's a handful of games different only from the Xbox 360 that I'm likely to play.
I'm not the lem you may think I am :-).
I was specifically talking about the PS3 and PS4 though.
It's all good, I just figured one good rub deserved another. :P
I wasn't trying to poke him with the Xbox comment, I just literally presumed he didn't have any. Thinking out loud :-).
PC's have been doing it for ages now and consoles have had the ability to do it since the 80's. Sorry if I don't consider something that ought to be an industry standard at this point a 'feature.'
Better than Sony's pay again for games you already have approach.
Exactly, I have no idea why gamers are flocking over to the PS4 when the Xbox One has so much more to offer.
No idea?
Well, one reason is game library. The Xbone, as good as it is, has roughly 500 games and the PS4 has 1000+ games.
Sources:
PS4 with 1012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games
Xbone with 497: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games
The upcoming pre-order/reserve lists reveal that there are more games coming in the future for the PS4 than the Xbone as well. We are talking Japanese, European, and indie development that target the PS4's 40 million install base over the 16-19 million (Xbox execs won't confirm once sales went sour this gen) Xbone units. As time goes on, the library divide has only been increasing. It's not a quantity over quality thing, it's one machine has quality and quantity of games over the other as confirmed by metacritic.
We saw this effect with the 360 early-mid last gen when the 360 had more games than the PS3. The PS4 is more like the 360 in that regard, and the Xbone is more like the PS3. Same deal with the PS2 over the GC/Xbox, etc.
That's one idea that you weren't aware of until now.
On the surface, one might conclude without any research that both machines are getting equal 3rd party support, but that would be incorrect.
All that said, if one likes 343's take on Halo, or want to see the brand new developers version of GeoW 4, check out RARE games, they should opt for the Xbone.
Games are the big reason why gamers flock to whatever machine each generation.
I like my 2013 Xbone, but I never imagined the Xbone would struggle in keeping up with getting the same multiplatform games the PS4 gets, especially considering their similar architecture.
@MBirdy88: Yes it is a different solution to the same use case. User can play older games. Sony choose the solution that requires user to pay extra. MS choose the solution where user doesn't need to pay extra to play games that they already own (physical discs or digitally owned) and plus two GwG 360 games if you have Gold Membership. Ultimately, if you like to pay Sony play games you already owned on your PS4 with internet latency, yes, that's Sony's vision of BC for you. And lems are happy to play older games on XboxOne that they own without paying, and that's MS's vision for lems.
This highly depends. based on the details discussed here previous gen ... the Xbox360 and X1 architecture would be very similar, it already follows a set pattern set many years by MS ... I imagine this emulation would work well on PC (Hell, would be great if it came to Windows 10 store) ... whereas the PS3's architecture was abit on the ridiculous side ... I imagine emulation performance would be alot worse.... so its not quite as obvious that this was a milking decision.
Ofcourse, both companies moving forward need to make native backward compatibility a thing again.
Either way, if MS was offering game-streaming , it would cost the same..... they are not equal services... neither should their value be.
@dynamitecop: PS4 is way over 1,000 now. 1,012 according to wiki with Xbone at only 497.
Games that don't exist on a system presently amount to literally nothing, you people are trying to pad that library so hard with unreleased games it's mind numbingly dumb...
There was just a thread on this BC topic a day ago, and this keeps popping up every week since last year, so I'll say again...
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Having access to less than 3% of my 360 library on my Xbone isn't enough to keep me from moving on from my 360s.
Plus, there are publishers that simply aren't supporting BC. The publishers that are on board, are also not 100% committed to BC either due to licensing issues and other reasons (remasters, etc).
Looking at all my past consoles BC use as a long, long time gamer, I won't use the BC. I buy consoles for current gen software. The Wii U has AMAZING BC, but I don't use it (as I knew I wouldn't), I use the Wii for those games. I used the GC, PS2, Atari, PS3, Wii, etc for those games.
I don't like the idea of wearing down my console to play emulated versions of last gen games (that also eat up a lot of HDD space) when I can use my Xbone for Xbone games.
I also don't expect the BC to ever fully get to even 50%, just like the 360 only got to about the 50% mark for original Xbox 1 games. Kudos to M$ though for getting people to talk about it every day and getting them to be hopeful. I warn people to temper their expectations, but to each their own.
I think it's nice for consumers since it's a free option, but I'm following the guidelines set out by the TC, and answering personal questions designed for me, not everyone.
I imagine when I SPEND over a grand to purchase the upcoming Nintendo NX, Xbox Two, and PS5; I'm going to buy those expensive new consoles for upcoming future games for those machines, not to play old Wii U, Xbone, and PS4 games. I can play those games already today.
How much are you utilizing this features? I'm not using it on my launch 2013 Xbone to preserve my hardware for Xbone games.
Which games are you hoping to get added? None. Going on past BC consoles I owned, I already knew this particular feature wouldn't interest me, and I would be aggravated waiting for certain games in my library to work. If I was to answer this, I would say all my 360 games that I own, not a select few. I know that's never going to happen though due to legal issues and publisher non-compliance.
From 1-10, how happy are you with the feature? I don't like the huge HDD space requirement, nor tiny amount of games that are BC, but I'd give it a 2 for trying at least.
That's nice, now tell us what you think of Sony doing it only with the added bonus of a charge
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ah yes.... because adding software emulation... which costs nothing to run after the fact, is the same as Server to Client streaming of HD video that requires very low latency ...
totally the same thing...
Not defending cows, just pointing out this moronic comparison from lems .....
Correct, it's a terrible comparison and he's created an offtopic strawman argument.
Plus, if that intense X fan (!) wants to create a thread on a topic (also would be retreated material), then we can discuss that Server to Client streaming BC topic. I've already answered that old question he asked a dozen+ times before (Sony's BC is 0/10 for me).
Right now we are in this Xbone BC thread and I answered on topic though (something the emotional user wasn't capable of doing).
Both of you are dead wrong, because PS4 does offer software emulation of PS2 titles.
But hey, you get to pay again for a game you own already.
Teh EV!L M$ charges nothing ZOMG (I am so teh manticore hippy!!!).
Sorry, but re-creating a game to work on a systen .. is not Backwards compatibility emulation ... it takes time to develop for each individual titles... original games did not have cd keys or any hidden key to lock that product to your account... so how else do you expect them to proceed?
Please keep throwing these illogical comparisons my way... its a good laugh.
@Legend002: I never said it was. I said it should be.
I'm curious though.. do you really think that MS would've even considered backwards compatibility if they weren't lagging behind in sales? I mean, at one point MS had stated that it was not possible. Granted, that wasn't the only time they stated that something was impossible on Xbone but hey...
Better than Sony's pay again for games you already have approach.
Exactly, I have no idea why gamers are flocking over to the PS4 when the Xbox One has so much more to offer.
No idea?
Well, one reason is game library. The Xbone, as good as it is, has roughly 500 games and the PS4 has 1000+ games.
Sources:
PS4 with 1012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games
Xbone with 497: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games
The upcoming pre-order/reserve lists reveal that there are more games coming in the future for the PS4 than the Xbone as well. We are talking Japanese, European, and indie development that target the PS4's 40 million install base over the 16-19 million (Xbox execs won't confirm once sales went sour this gen) Xbone units. As time goes on, the library divide has only been increasing. It's not a quantity over quality thing, it's one machine has quality and quantity of games over the other as confirmed by metacritic.
We saw this effect with the 360 early-mid last gen when the 360 had more games than the PS3. The PS4 is more like the 360 in that regard, and the Xbone is more like the PS3. Same deal with the PS2 over the GC/Xbox, etc.
That's one idea that you weren't aware of until now.
On the surface, one might conclude without any research that both machines are getting equal 3rd party support, but that would be incorrect.
All that said, if one likes 343's take on Halo, or want to see the brand new developers version of GeoW 4, check out RARE games, they should opt for the Xbone.
Games are the big reason why gamers flock to whatever machine each generation.
I like my 2013 Xbone, but I never imagined the Xbone would struggle in keeping up with getting the same multiplatform games the PS4 gets, especially considering their similar architecture.
kek
what a load of horse shit, the PS4 hit the 600 game mark like a month and a half ago.
Sidestepped my my main point, but that's okay! :P
So how many games were on the Xbone a month and a half ago?
Once the smaller Xbone library number is established, even in your own Nell way of looking at things, you will understand the point I posted for another user.
Hint: A LOT Moar Games for consumers to buy is ONE IDEA that he previously didn't have.
Exactly, I have no idea why gamers are flocking over to the PS4 when the Xbox One has so much more to offer.
No idea?
Well, one reason is game library. The Xbone, as good as it is, has roughly 500 games and the PS4 has 1000+ games.
Sources:
PS4 with 1012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games
Xbone with 497: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games
The upcoming pre-order/reserve lists reveal that there are more games coming in the future for the PS4 than the Xbone as well. We are talking Japanese, European, and indie development that target the PS4's 40 million install base over the 16-19 million (Xbox execs won't confirm once sales went sour this gen) Xbone units. As time goes on, the library divide has only been increasing. It's not a quantity over quality thing, it's one machine has quality and quantity of games over the other as confirmed by metacritic.
We saw this effect with the 360 early-mid last gen when the 360 had more games than the PS3. The PS4 is more like the 360 in that regard, and the Xbone is more like the PS3. Same deal with the PS2 over the GC/Xbox, etc.
That's one idea that you weren't aware of until now.
On the surface, one might conclude without any research that both machines are getting equal 3rd party support, but that would be incorrect.
All that said, if one likes 343's take on Halo, or want to see the brand new developers version of GeoW 4, check out RARE games, they should opt for the Xbone.
Games are the big reason why gamers flock to whatever machine each generation.
I like my 2013 Xbone, but I never imagined the Xbone would struggle in keeping up with getting the same multiplatform games the PS4 gets, especially considering their similar architecture.
kek
what a load of horse shit, the PS4 hit the 600 game mark like a month and a half ago.
Sidestepped my my main point, but that's okay! :P
So how many games were on the Xbone a month and a half ago?
Once the smaller Xbone library number is established, even in your own skewed way of looking at things, you will understand the point I posted for another user.
Hint: Moar Games.
You mean games like Rocket League? You're using a list of unreleased games, some years off to make a point, and the fact of the matter is there's no telling if those games will be indefinitely tied to only the PlayStation 4.
How many games can you actually play on the PlayStation 4 itself? Like 650? The Xbox One isn't far behind that, it could actually be argued they're in near parity at this point. You're not even bothering to include the backward compatibility titles which now by all accounts are system integrated and purchasable on Xbox One.
@Zophar87: BC is just a nice treat and that's especially true now with backlogging only started becoming a thing mid last gen. Not sure why you made the ridiculous statement that it isn't a feature.
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