Xbox One BC is an amazing feature!

@dynamitecop said:

@SolidTy said:

dynamitecop said:

@SolidTy said:

No idea?

Well, one reason is game library. The Xbone, as good as it is, has roughly 500 games and the PS4 has 1000+ games.

Sources:

PS4 with 1012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games

Xbone with 497: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games

The upcoming pre-order/reserve lists reveal that there are more games coming in the future for the PS4 than the Xbone as well. We are talking Japanese, European, and indie development that target the PS4's 40 million install base over the 16-19 million (Xbox execs won't confirm once sales went sour this gen) Xbone units. As time goes on, the library divide has only been increasing. It's not a quantity over quality thing, it's one machine has quality and quantity of games over the other as confirmed by metacritic.

We saw this effect with the 360 early-mid last gen when the 360 had more games than the PS3. The PS4 is more like the 360 in that regard, and the Xbone is more like the PS3. Same deal with the PS2 over the GC/Xbox, etc.

That's one idea that you weren't aware of until now.

On the surface, one might conclude without any research that both machines are getting equal 3rd party support, but that would be incorrect.

All that said, if one likes 343's take on Halo, or want to see the brand new developers version of GeoW 4, check out RARE games, they should opt for the Xbone.

Games are the big reason why gamers flock to whatever machine each generation.

I like my 2013 Xbone, but I never imagined the Xbone would struggle in keeping up with getting the same multiplatform games the PS4 gets, especially considering their similar architecture.

the PS4 hit the 600 game mark like a month and a half ago.

Sidestepped my my main point, but that's okay! :P

So, according to you, how many games were on the Xbone a month and a half ago?

Once the smaller Xbone library number is established, even in your own Nell way of looking at things, you will understand the point I posted for another user.

Hint: A LOT Moar Games for consumers to buy is ONE IDEA that he previously didn't have.

You mean games like Rocket League? You're using a list of unreleased games, some years off to make a point, and the fact of the matter is there's no telling if those games will be indefinitely tied to only the PlayStation 4.

How many games can you actually play on the PlayStation 4 itself? Like 650? The Xbox One isn't far behind that, it could actually be argued they're in near parity at this point. You're not even bothering to include the backward compatibility titles which now by all accounts are system integrated and purchasable on Xbox One.

Again, you didn't answer the question.

So, according to you, how many games were on the Xbone a month and a half ago?

The answer is that the PS4 has a lot more games than the Xbone for consumers to choose from, no matter what lists or numbers you want to move around. That answers why some consumers are "flocking" to one platform over another and his "no idea" query. He now has at least one idea.

Is Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon playable yet? If not, get the f out.

I don't have a clue, a few months back it had 414 not including backward compatibility titles.

It's not even close. Xbone have way less that it isn't even funny.

1,012 confirmed games vs 497 confirmed games for Xbone.

And those BC games are 360 games, not Xbox One. PS3 couldn't use 3,000+ PS/PS2 titles so the XBone can't either. Simply because they aren't Xbone games. Remasters native to the Bone? Sure. 360 titles emulated? Hell no. PS2 titles on PS4 doesn't even count are they are enhanced for crying out loud. lol

It should be as simple as putting any 360 or original xbox game into the disc drive. Then install and play. The way sony and Microsoft are doing it is terrible. They should all work. If i can play every ps1 and ps2 game on a pc emulator why the hell cant sony do it? Xbox started out better with the bc this gen but ultimately failed.

That doesn't mean anything, like I said to Solid, confirmed games are unreleased games and do not count for a library, especially considering most of them are years off and a lot with absolutely no release year whatsoever. To compound this further, games being confirmed for the PlayStation 4 doesn't mean they won't be present elsewhere, hence my Rocket League comment.

Do you need an Xbox 360 game disc to play these games? Do you need to buy them on the Xbox 360? No, they're 100% system integrated with the Xbox One at this point and are playable titles on the Xbox One hardware.

@dynamitecop: Same with PS1/2 classis on PS3. We don't count them because they aren't games native to that platform. The sad part if even if they did count, Xbone would still be behind PS4 by over 350 games. lol

Confirmed games does count. Years off or not we know they are coming. Also, why does it matter if these titles will be available elsewhere? They are confirmed to be PS4 titles and that is all that matters.

If they're playing natively on the hardware they count, it may be emulated through software but it's custom programming for not only the game but the system software itself to utilize the Xbox One hardware to play games.

Confirmed games don't count towards anything, games get canceled, delayed indefinitely, the platforms they release on change etc.

All "confirmed" games are are projects with current intent to release somewhere, if you can't play them presently they mean **** all towards a library count.

@dynamitecop: Emulation don't count for titles. And yeah, games does get cancelled but that's far in between. As of now those confirmed titles are coming.

Confirmed games could release elsewhere. So what? They are still PS4 titles.

Let's just agree to disagree.

If confirmed games release elsewhere such as on the Xbox One, they bolster its library as well. Without the game actually being released, and developer intent known at the time of release or position going forward, "confirmation" doesn't really mean anything, that's just presently known intent.

@dynamitecop: lol Xbox support is on the decline. They both started pretty almost dead even early on but the gap widen as the PS4 dominated. The support on Xbone will only dwindle from here. You are delusional if you think Xbone will also get in on titles such as Nitroplus Blasterz, Nights of Azure and Megadimension Neptunia VII to just name a few. The bulk of PS4 games that aren't on Xbone are those type of games.

Exclusives mostly. That's the main reason I own a PS4. There are a few multiplats I like to play on Playstation as well. Their PSVR is a wait and see for me.

When those PS4 games go to XBone we can have them added to the XBone list. Until then, they are added to the PS4 list and not the XBone list. And according to you, as of a few months ago, we have:

650 PS4 games
414 XBone games.

That in itself is a >50% lead on PS4 over XBone. There is no need to agree to disagree, in your words, PS4 has a >50% games lead over XBone. In everyone elses list, the PS4 has a >50% lead over XBone with 1012 games.

If BC games counted - then the PS3 had an additional 3875 games to it's library, and the WiiU has an additional ~1770 games in it's library, PSNow would also need to be included. You are stretching real hard here, and even in your stretches you lose.

Exactly. You can't get more exact than that.

@dynamitecop: In addition, there are some 166 games which are BC on the XBone according to:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility/available-games

So even if we decide to add all those games to the XBone list, it still doesn't even come close to the PS4 list. And again - they are not XBone games, they are titles which work on XBone but are not XBone games themselves. So congrats on making the difference as little as 580 XBone games versus 650 PS4 games by moving goal posts as much as possible, but the fact remains, there is no way that you can look at it where XBone wins this one.

Realistically, ignoring PSNow and adding XBone BC, it is some 663 vs 1012 - a 53% lead in favour of PS4.

@kaealy: Lol stupidest argument ever, are the only 2 games out of the entire 360 library that I care about BC yet? No well forget it! Get rid of it!..... So dumb. Also I bet if those games were BC you still wouldn't be happy because you're just trying to find a reason to diss the X1.

Nothing makes up for the xbox one lack of games,3 years into the generation we should even be talking about backward compatibility,the xbox one should be carrying its own weight,much like the 360 did.

Come one complaining about the xbox 360 interface is a joke,is not that slow and still is very functional,is just an excuse to justify using xbox 360 game in favor of the xbox one,hell you can't even play the best game on xbox 360 on it because it broken,no halo 3,no Forza,no GTA no COD and many more which were what make the xbox 360 great.

At this point in time we should not even be talking about BC..lol

@tormentos: 360 is extremely slow. I use it once every month to download the free games and it takes forever to load... longer than PS3. It was much faster when both consoles was active. The best game on 360 are shooters and sports but I don't really like those genres so it doesn't bother me.

For god sake no it is not and if didn't bother people for 10 years why would it now.? The xbox one doesn't even play half the games on 360,so is not really an advantage at all.Some of the best games on the platform simple can't be play on xbox one even from MS own first party studios like Forza games which is a joke.

Like i already say the xbox one should be pulling its own weight now and not relying on xbox 360 games.

The N64 RAM does not apply because it did not require the purchasing of a new system. The same with the Xbox 360. The hard-drive version of the system was available day 1. Halo 4 requiring a hard drive is not an upgrade to the system but a mandatory accessory that was available the day the system launch. Both instance did not require the owner of the existing system to purchase an entirely new system, so the comparison is not valid.

The 3DS would be a valid due to the fact that a system purchase is required for faster and more capable system. But your examples does not show a previous precedent for consoles.

Should have been standard at start of gen. At this stage I doubt many people care, most console games don't age that well.

@Legend002: Much like @dynamitecop, I am surprised to see a pro Xbox comment from you and agree with points from both of you. It's a great consumer friendly feature. My next game I play on my X1 is probably going to be Stick of Truth, so I'm definitely getting some use out of it. Hopefully more games come soon, I'm waiting for Black Ops 2 and Bioshock Infinite so I can get those out of my back log, and wouldn't mind seeing Catherine and Lost Odyssey being added in the near future.

No.. this isn't BC.

' play I mean purchase all over again.'

flat out lie, i use my old 36 discs in my Xbone and i can even download and install the 360 titles i bought on digital if they are on the list

'who's library had little to no truly stand out games to begin with.'

Xbox 360's overall library destroyed the Ps3's overall line up.

the 360 ended up with quite a few more high rated games than the PS3 and had more than a 100 games more and it's still getting games.

The Wii won last gen in exclusives and the 360 won in overall library.

So does The Last Guardian count as a ps3, ps4, ps4 neo and ps5 title?

I'm waiting for xbox one to announce whatever they are going to as far as their hardware but the main thing that has me waiting instead of picking up the xbox one now is BC for Bayonetta.

I think BC in many ways is a waste of time for an inferior experience. Despite having to buy the game a second time, it's more worth while to just purchase the game on PC if it's available and actually be able to enjoy enhanced features like 1080p, 60 FPS, plus it'll likely be dirt cheap during Steam sales. Games that these days look like an eyesore at 720p on 360 look so much better and more cleaned up at full HD resolution running on a relatively affordable PC hardware like an Intel i3 & R7 250 graphics card.

Most of the multiplatform games have plug-n-play controller support. Yes, you don't get your precious achievements to add to your Live gamerscore, but gamerscore is for e-peen obsessives anyways.

Anyways, I find it ironic people going a bit crazy over CoD4 getting "remastered", when on PC, we were able to play in 1080p from the beginning. At least it's a true remaster with more than just better textures, but vastly reworked geometry and graphical features.

No BC on the PS4 is really affecting you emotionally.

One thing that Xbox One BC reminds me of is how last gen was the golden age of indie arcade games both in terms of quality, quantity, and pricing. This gen just doesn't compare.

The PS4k will have different hardware from the PS4, so either the PS4k runs PS4 games as 'BC' or the PS4 loses all exclusives with this new platform. It's a different platform if the hardware is different, cpu/gpu/ram, and in a way i would consider games that do not get the upgrade in graphics to be running in BC on the PS4k.

On the next Xbox console, they will probably have the same capabilities for running Xbone games, but they will also bring along the 360 BC. Having it software emulated is a great way to carry it forward to new hardware without revisiting the problems that BC typically brings. Update the emulator core code for the new console and all the games should run normally if it's coded well.

@SolidTy: Great points.

BC is a nice feature certainly, but not one I desire, would use, nor pay for (in future hardware).

About to use this feature to play Stick of Truth, which released on the 360 late in it's life after I had already retired my 360. That for me is enough reason to like it.

They are 360 discs, that are compatible with Xbox One, what would you call it?

Aye. Thanks mate.

Yes, I'm with you.