XBOX ONE does degrade your TV's picture!!!

I did not see any difference. I am pretty sure it is passthrough hdmi. Maybe you have faulty cables.

Like I said all along,just use your TVs picture in picture for the exact same feature.

Do we have any comparison pictures/video to show this?

Just wait.....For the patch.

This gen's console slogan.

agree completely. But that means converting people to PC makes the converter emotionally attached to PC needing others to join and validate his preference. You could just live and let live, and play where they want without putting down the difference.

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@silversix_ said:

great post and i don't see many of these since this fucking alt acc spam

@kuu2 said:

loving mine and it is revolutionary.

dat 720p revolution in 2013 though

LOL that cows think that 1080p is any better. Lets all argue about outdated tech! PC's have been outputting a higher res for a while now, with 4k coming in its sad to think no console games will ever even use it.

4k wont be standard for a little while, 1080p is

IF you use a HDMI switcher (like the Xbone is), you have to use a higher grade (gauge) HDMI cables. Instead of using the 28gauge cables on Monoprice that sell for $2.50, buy the 24gauge one for $5.50. Problem solved.

It also degrades your sound.

I set up my little brother's One 2 days ago. He has a surround sound SoundBar that I bought him last Christmas which has a left, center and right channel speaker array. When I set his HDMI passthrough to go DirecTV --> One --> TV, we immediately noticed the volume wasn't as loud when watching TV but couldn't figure out why. Then I remembered the One's HDMI passthrough doesn't support surround sound yet. Only stereo. I put my ear to the Bar and sure enough: no sound coming from the center channel (the loudest of the 3 channels by far). I then opened Netflix on the One and started playback of a movie just for testing purposes...I found that the center channel was there in full volume as expected. So for watching media that originates on the One (Netflix, other native apps, games) surround sound works as you'd expect.

But TV or anything else you pass through the HDMI in, it's a big audio downgrade for anyone that's using a receiver to offer anything better than stereo (2-channel) sound from their cable box or direcTV or whatever. In fact, its passthrough solution as of right now not even a viable option if you enjoy watching TV shows, movies (like HBO), and/or sports in traditional 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound. Which sucks because using voice commands to control your TV watching is very cool when it works.

That's not necessarily the case. For example, a friend who thanked me for introducing him to PC gaming and helping him build a rig, just bought a PS4 (just like me). I'm not talking about turning people into zealots, just introducing them to reality and clearing up misconceptions by inviting them over and letting them play a few games and see that there is a whole world outside of Xbox, Xbox, Xbox, Halo, Halo, Halo. Ignorance is not bliss.

@Mr_Ditters: I can understand that. I guess its the people you know. I have known more zealots in the Sony cause than any other in gaming. Its really funny to see the defensiveness when a few of us mention we own and play games on Xbox or Nintendo products as well.

720P is new?

At this point, the PS3, 360 and Wii are a better purchase than either the Boner or the Waitstation.

So does the Xbone come with an HDMI cable or do you need to buy one?

Apparently it comes with one HDMI cable.

Why not just use the X1 to play games and use the Direct T.V box to watch T.V? all you have to do is change the channel, and i can imagine the T.V remove would be close to you anyways.

looks at posters avatar... I trust you :roll:

IGN's a joke, wait for Digital Foundry to do something about it.

My Xbox One is connected using Direct TV and I see no difference at all between it being directly connected or pass through the Xbox. Actually the pass through looks a lot better then what it was when I was using my Logitech Google TV.

i disagree, actually few channels made it look better

I have few hd channels but mostly reg channels. The hd channels i seen NO difference. On the regular channels, it looked better on few channels. and some cases it even removed the black part from the top and bottom!!!

I also have a degraded picture. First pic is sat box > pioneer avr > tv, second is sat box > xbox > pioneer avr > tv

http://i.imgur.com/nuDv5x1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UVO4soC.jpg

Oh wow, that's horrible

xbone degraded from 720p to 600p? Dat balance bro.

There's a setting for DD 5.1 that you have to check in settings. It's in Beta because it doesn't work for every receiver/soundbar. It might be worth a look...it worked on my Panasonic receiver.

Misinformation.....Quality is the same on my TV....maybe you have a faulty X1 or something but I don't think this should be portrayed as the norm.

Same here

@IFBB-PRO:

It resets your TV presets if you have it recognize your TV. I have a 60" Sharp Aquos Quatron, and only saw that before I reset my TV setting to how I wanted them.

XBL GamerTag: stormierdabear.

EDIT: I have Comcast cable

I have Direct TV. I'm going to test it out tonight after I get out of the gym. Personally I don't think it's true but I'll find out for myself tonight.

I won't be using it for cable pass-through, whether this is accurate or not. I largely use my HTPC.

I have FioS and see no difference. And believe me, I'm a stickler for things like this. My new 60" Panasonic Plasma is pro calibrated..I would see the difference. If I forget to switch from Game Mode when viewing TV then yes, I see things are off. But once I go to my custom settings, all is fine. I even got 5.1 surround to work this afternoon. Panello, said this might not work for everyone, which is why it's in beta but I'm glad it works on my set up and I'm glad they added it because stereo was killing me!

I think people have sh**ty settings or they're forgetting to switch from Game Mode when viewing TV...This will make your picture look bad. It could also be that some cable boxes are all not equal.

I have pioneer 1021k receiver as well with 7.1 set up. Sound did degrade big time. I hope Microsoft fixes that sooner then later. TV entertainment part was one of the biggest selling points of Xbox one!

As I said before. When xbox 360 first came out lot of people started to report that they are getting red rings of death. There were a lot of people saying "my works fine, you must of done something for it to get red rings of death". At first people were blaming over heated 360s on users when in reality it was MS who screwed up and admitted the problem later on. Just because everything works fine for you does not mean problem does not exist!!! Fact of the matter is a lot of people do notice picture degradation and along with sound degradation (TheVerge review pointed that out as well). My friend and co workers have the same problem!

If I wanted just to play games i would of just got ps4. I paid extra 100 dollars for xbox one for entertainment purpose. I expect it to work just like MS advertised it would. Sound & picture degradation is a huge deal!

MS had to know that a lot of people have AV receivers with surround sound. I am shocked that surround sound does not work when watching tv. Some things need to work perfect right away if MS expects people to recommend it to others. Even when im playing nba 2k14 (which looks amazing) back speakers sound like crap compared to when I play ps4 games.

It's like buying a phone that drops calls every 2nd or 3rd time and has static sound when you finally are able to call someone. No one would recommend that phone to friends or family!

They are working on upgrading the software for the passhtrough to support surround sound. To what degree of surround sound, I have no idea. Just 5.1? up to 7.1 Master DTS? Only time will tell.

But for now, the whole experience is a Jack of all trades and master of none.

@Dreams-Visions: I hope they fix it the way AV receivers and speakers were meant to be used. I did not pay a lot of money for good receiver and speakers just for it to be handicapped by xbox one. If that will be the case then xbox one will never be center entertainment system of people's living room.

Just like i would never buy my receiver if it could not keep up with my speakers or my high end tv.

Tragedy. How do they manage to mess up the sound, too?

You surround people...Did you try the beta for DD 5.1 in settings? It worked on my receiver.

LOL... so Xbone is the next generation downgrade

@strawhatlupi: Actually dumbass, it doesn't degrade TV signal.

I hooked up my Direct TV to my Xbox last night. No signal degradation what so ever. I tested the picture with and without the Xbox and no difference at all. Maybe the HDMI cables are causing problems for those with signal degradation.

I have 2 gripes with the Xbox so far

1. The Kinect voice commands don't always work

2. The controller feels slightly cheaper. It's still a nice controller and every bit as comfortable as the 360. It doesn't have the same quality feel as I felt with the 360 one though.

Everything else has been perfect. I probably just need more time with the controller since I didn't have much last night.

People do realise how HDMI works right?

HDMI is much like a network, digital information is sent over a cable that has a bunch of copper twisted pairs. As it is sending digital information there can't be any degradation to the digital information. The cable will either work or not work or intermittently work. I would have thought in the digital stream there would be error correction so any errors would either be corrected or dropped.

So the only place there would be an alteration of the video stream would be in the Xbox One software itself. I have no idea why they would alter the video stream unless it's applying filters on the output like it does with the games (sharpen, saturation)...

Could just be passing down a lower quality signal after processing the original image + Xbox UI. It's far from far-fetched. We're not talking about noise or analog-type quality degradation.

Everybody complaining about the Xbox one probably havent played xbox one and I bet the guy who started this thread is in Sonys pocket...I have both Ps4 and Xbox one and I agree...ps4 is ps3 with a few minor upgrades...its doesnt seem next gen or futuristic like xbox..people need to understand that xbox one has so much shit to work and its only gonna get better...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-25-xbox-one-tv-integration-suffers-noticeable-judder-in-uk

Website HDTVTest.co.uk first flagged up the problem, which occurs when you run a live TV feed from your set-top box, such as a Freeview HD, Sky or Virgin Media box, into Microsoft's console using the HDMI-in port.

The UK and Europe use a 50Hz broadcasting system. The Xbox One outputs at 60Hz, so if you feed it a 50Hz HDMI source, one out of every six frames will be a duplicate, causing judder.

A lot of this stuff isn't permanent. Remember both consoles were rushed out for the holiday season. It'll take a bit of time for MS to get the voice thing working well, it's complicated with so many accents. They'll likely sort out the video issues the same way.

Mine is using my full download speed. But i'm not sure that Xbox Live is fully up and running yet, it doesn't look like it.

There is a quite a list of features for both consoles that they said wouldn't be available at launch.

honestly since gates stepped down to try other non-MS projects they really have slid downhill fast

Better get to work, you've been slacking with your fanboy crusade lately.

Then how are you going to play those X1 games if you never hook it to your TV again?

Shit is fucked up. Sounds like something that might need a hardware change or something. They'll figure it out.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-21-xbox-one-dolby-digital-headset-support-coming-post-launch

dolby digital output via optical is coming probably early 2014 ,i think it's because rushed software and license issue with dolby

what kind of cables are you using? As in what guage? Adding another component to the chain will always cause some degree of degradation. Your picture would be better if you ran the cable box straight to the TV (but then you'd not be using your receiver). You can limit that amount by using heavy gauge quality cables.

Same here, my Comcast Infinity is crystal clear on TV through the One.