fake developers,fake developers everywhere.TessellationXboxFails and Tormentos says hi :D
Xbox One GPU and CPU upgrade
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He is referring to the upclocks they have discussed over the summer. No components have been changed, it is the same specifications we have all known about for awhile now. Please tell me you're not some believer of a certain website.[QUOTE="Shensolidus"][QUOTE="Evo_nine"]
Whats all this about.....are these upgrades ontop of the ones we already knew about?
"Phil Harrison confirmed that the Xbox one has had a GPU and CPU upgrade since the original announcement back at E3, and that this is the model currently in production. We were not given details on the specifications of these upgraded components."
http://www.gameora.com/tag/xbox-reviews/
EG101
Then why would Phil say "we were not given details on the specs of these upgraded components"????? This is a statement Phil made Yesterday.
Well I am hoping MS really does have something up their sleeve cuz that 1.3 TF GPU is garbage.
They don't, but what does it matter? A console's strength isn't necessarily tied to its power. The Wii sold a crap ton and it had nothing to do with how good their games looked. Trust me, nothing on the specs have changed. If you were to replace one unit for a stronger one, you would throw the thermal balance alone completely out of whack. And a weaker console is far more preferable to a RROD all over again.Answering that question is something i'd DEFINITELY get in trouble for. Yes, there is a reason this question hasn't been answered yet, and gamers would probably ruffle a few feathers once they found out about it. To be fair, that isn't the only 'service' that sucks up APU cycles that isn't main game related. I'd be surprised if any of the actual numbers ever gets out there.[QUOTE="Shensolidus"][QUOTE="XboxFails"]
I have a question. How much is the hardware devoted to running kinect? After seeing Forza 5 and Forza 4 screens, Forza 4 looked far cleaner than Forza 5. I'm thinking so much of the power is utilized for kinect that the power of the machine that's left for gaming is less than the power of the 360. That can explain why Forza 4 looks better than Forza 5.
XboxFails
So is there a reason why SONY is silent about CPU clockspeeds and RAM reservations for the OS? It's 1 and a half more months until launch, so I'd assume that both numbers are finalized.
Also, is the 10% GPU reservation on the Xbone for just the OS? If it dedicates extra CPU and GPU cycles to process kinect, I would lulz. That news would be even worse than a downclock.
I don't know why Sony hasn't been as forthcoming, but nothing has changed on CPU front. The system runs nice, cool, and quiet - they wouldn't wanna jeopardize any of that. As for RAM footprint, the one thing you have to understand is that this is a number that is going to change throughout the console's lifecycle as the OS footprint becomes smaller and smaller. It isn't just developers who are adjusting to the amazing capabilities of their streamlined RAM configuration, but Sony and their OS developers themselves also are. They have the most experience with it, but understand that there are no OS programmers out there that have had the luxury of being able to code for an environment with all of the capabilities of the PS4 as a standard, particularly GDDR5 for its RAM. That system has so much room for growth, it is staggering.[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]Answering that question is something i'd DEFINITELY get in trouble for. Yes, there is a reason this question hasn't been answered yet, and gamers would probably ruffle a few feathers once they found out about it. To be fair, that isn't the only 'service' that sucks up APU cycles that isn't main game related. I'd be surprised if any of the actual numbers ever gets out there.psymon100
If those were the only games you got to play, then you didn't play what i'm working on. I'll say that we had a very big presence at Eurogamer Expo. Sorry to hear you didn't come to check out our game. I guess our line must've been too long... ;)Shensolidus
That's interesting about Kinect and the rest of the leeches.Â
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I was at Digital Nationz, Auckland, New Zealand over the past weekend. These were the games (all platforms) available for play. http://digitalnationz.com/games/ Probably a bit too small to include every game. I'm good at keeping secrets if you have to tell someone, but a secret shared is not a secret.Â
Good luck man.Â
Oh! NZ, nice. Yeah, we were at Eurogamer. Glad you enjoyed the games you played.
[QUOTE="Tessellation"]fake developers,fake developers everywhere.Opus_Rea-333XboxFails and Tormentos says hi :D
To be totally frank, I don't think Shensolidus is actually a dev and I think he's just pretending to be one for kicks. I just like to see what he has to say, because most of his "inside info" is anti-xbox, meaning it'll piss off you lemrats.
XboxFails and Tormentos says hi :D[QUOTE="Opus_Rea-333"][QUOTE="Tessellation"]fake developers,fake developers everywhere.XboxFails
To be totally frank, I don't think Shensolidus is actually a dev and I think he's just pretending to be one for kicks. I just like to see what he has to say, because most of his "inside info" is anti-xbox, meaning it'll piss off you lemrats.
Doubt it all you want, i've never felt the need to prove anything, and I haven't said anything on these forums that wasn't 100% true. The reason I don't really talk about PS4 in any major way is because no one really asks.No Joke? We had about 9.Wow, really? Damn. Wouldn't get too worried. Throwing unoptimized code at a hardware environment you're not really familiar with can do funny things.[QUOTE="Shensolidus"][QUOTE="mitu123"]
Hey Shensolidus, how many faulty X1s were there?:P
mitu123
[QUOTE="mitu123"]Wow, really? Damn. Wouldn't get too worried. Throwing unoptimized code at a hardware environment you're not really familiar with can do funny things.[QUOTE="Shensolidus"] No Joke? We had about 9.Shensolidus
Just to piss off the lemmings, I think it's obvious you're working on BF4. Is the Xbone running the game at 720p with low graphics while the PS4 is running the game at 4k resolution with ultra settings? :cool:
Wow, really? Damn.Wouldn't get too worried. Throwing unoptimized code at a hardware environment you're not really familiar with can do funny things.Opus_Rea-333
Just to piss off the lemmings, I think it's obvious you're working on BF4. Is the Xbone running the game at 720p with low graphics while the PS4 is running the game at 4k resolution with ultra settings? :cool:
It's not BF4, although I ALMOST did (left EA before that trainwreck hit my office) and went to far greener pastures. As for multiplatform differences.... I think there are far more modest games that I know are showing some significant multiplatform differences. But it doesn't matter if multiplatform games are doing better on one console or another. They'll have fun with their games regardless.[QUOTE="Opus_Rea-333"] Wouldn't get too worried. Throwing unoptimized code at a hardware environment you're not really familiar with can do funny things. Shensolidus
Just to piss off the lemmings, I think it's obvious you're working on BF4. Is the Xbone running the game at 720p with low graphics while the PS4 is running the game at 4k resolution with ultra settings? :cool:
It's not BF4, although I ALMOST did (left EA before that trainwreck hit my office) and went to far greener pastures. As for multiplatform differences.... I think there are far more modest games that I know are showing some significant multiplatform differences. But it doesn't matter if multiplatform games are doing better on one console or another. They'll have fun with their games regardless.Good cover. Don't worry, man. You can tell us how badly the Xbone is running BF4. Remember, most people think you're just bullshitting, so no harm done, right?Â
It's not, because it hasn't been updated beyond upclocks.Holy mother of wat.
How is this even possible when a number of developers are already working with X1?
Cyberdot
That might be a good thing.:P/jk making racist comments don't take you far in life.[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Is Tormentos suspended? He should've been all over this. That, and nobody has replied to Ron's posts lately.mitu123
[QUOTE="XboxFails"][QUOTE="Shensolidus"] I've alluded to it, i've even sort of acknowledged the game on these boards, while keeping a low profile of course. I've said that once the game comes out i'd be happy to reveal what it was. Shensolidus
I have a question. How much is the hardware devoted to running kinect? After seeing Forza 5 and Forza 4 screens, Forza 4 looked far cleaner than Forza 5. I'm thinking so much of the power is utilized for kinect that the power of the machine that's left for gaming is less than the power of the 360. That can explain why Forza 4 looks better than Forza 5.
Answering that question is something i'd DEFINITELY get in trouble for. Yes, there is a reason this question hasn't been answered yet, and gamers would probably ruffle a few feathers once they found out about it. To be fair, that isn't the only 'service' that sucks up APU cycles that isn't main game related. I'd be surprised if any of the actual numbers ever gets out there.Wow... I appreciate your candid remarks... too often we get BS'd by the media and devs... It's very refreshing to gain some honest insight without any PR BS.
Kudos to you good sir.
lol u believe thisLooks like Sony Fan is about to get their parade rained on about the X1's power. Â I have said it the whole time, the games on the X1 look way better than what we have been seeing on PS4.
kuu2
lol u believe this[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="kuu2"]
Looks like Sony Fan is about to get their parade rained on about the X1's power. Â I have said it the whole time, the games on the X1 look way better than what we have been seeing on PS4.
kuu2
Â
Lol you believe that MSoft would trott out old news as upclocks and pass it off as new.
If you don't see that MSoft is building hype around the X1's specs you are not paying attention.
Holy crap, you do. I hope your hopes aren't too high.
lol u believe this[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="kuu2"]
Looks like Sony Fan is about to get their parade rained on about the X1's power. Â I have said it the whole time, the games on the X1 look way better than what we have been seeing on PS4.
kuu2
Â
Lol you believe that MSoft would trott out old news as upclocks and pass it off as new.
If you don't see that MSoft is building hype around the X1's specs you are not paying attention.
Sig worthy.The XBOX ONE has all the power it needs. It already has a similarly powerful GPU to the PS4 and the XBOX ONE's ESRAM makes up for the difference in bandwidth when compared to the PS4. It seems that the XBOX ONE's design is a bit more technically complicated and advanced than the PS4 in some ways, but the PS4 has more brute strength. I think both consoles are equally capable and it will all come down to which exclusive games a person prefers. I am buying both consoles so I can play whichever games I choose to.Thunder7151
What is 5 - 3?
The answer is 2. However, Adding 5, subtracting 5, adding 10, subtracting 3, adding 3 and then subtracting 10 to get 2 to make the process more complicated does not make the 2nd method better. In ALU, it takes up more processing power.
The Xbox ONE's design is more complicated than the PS4, but the PS4 is the one with the more advanced design and power.Â
[QUOTE="Thunder7151"]The XBOX ONE has all the power it needs. It already has a similarly powerful GPU to the PS4 and the XBOX ONE's ESRAM makes up for the difference in bandwidth when compared to the PS4. It seems that the XBOX ONE's design is a bit more technically complicated and advanced than the PS4 in some ways, but the PS4 has more brute strength. I think both consoles are equally capable and it will all come down to which exclusive games a person prefers. I am buying both consoles so I can play whichever games I choose to.XboxFails
What is 5 - 3?
The answer is 2. However, Adding 5, subtracting 5, adding 10, subtracting 3, adding 3 and then subtracting 13 to get 2 to make the process more complicated does not make the 2nd method better. In ALU, it takes up more processing power.
The Xbox ONE's design is more complicated than the PS4, but the PS4 is the one with the more advanced design and power.Â
Just don't bother. They wanna believe that the X1 is stronger in some magical, special way, let'em. Doesn't change facts.[QUOTE="XboxFails"][QUOTE="Thunder7151"]The XBOX ONE has all the power it needs. It already has a similarly powerful GPU to the PS4 and the XBOX ONE's ESRAM makes up for the difference in bandwidth when compared to the PS4. It seems that the XBOX ONE's design is a bit more technically complicated and advanced than the PS4 in some ways, but the PS4 has more brute strength. I think both consoles are equally capable and it will all come down to which exclusive games a person prefers. I am buying both consoles so I can play whichever games I choose to.Opus_Rea-333
What is 5 - 3?
The answer is 2. However, Adding 5, subtracting 5, adding 10, subtracting 3, adding 3 and then subtracting 13 to get 2 to make the process more complicated does not make the 2nd method better. In ALU, it takes up more processing power.
The Xbox ONE's design is more complicated than the PS4, but the PS4 is the one with the more advanced design and power.Â
nice one :lol:Why can't you just admit that SONY not only has the brute strength, but also the more efficient design? It must be killing you lemrats. :lol:
As a sidenote, I hope SONY crushes Microsoft next gen. Microsoft has proven to be a gigantic pain in the ass for the industry and I think it would be bes for everyone if they left. I'm hoping google joins the party.
Holy crap, is someone using LOGIC? on this forum?!?! There might be hope yet.A month before most of it's games go gold and a month and a half before the console launches? I call bullshit.
Zophar87
[QUOTE="XboxFails"][QUOTE="Thunder7151"]The XBOX ONE has all the power it needs. It already has a similarly powerful GPU to the PS4 and the XBOX ONE's ESRAM makes up for the difference in bandwidth when compared to the PS4. It seems that the XBOX ONE's design is a bit more technically complicated and advanced than the PS4 in some ways, but the PS4 has more brute strength. I think both consoles are equally capable and it will all come down to which exclusive games a person prefers. I am buying both consoles so I can play whichever games I choose to.Shensolidus
What is 5 - 3?
The answer is 2. However, Adding 5, subtracting 5, adding 10, subtracting 3, adding 3 and then subtracting 13 to get 2 to make the process more complicated does not make the 2nd method better. In ALU, it takes up more processing power.
The Xbox ONE's design is more complicated than the PS4, but the PS4 is the one with the more advanced design and power.Â
Just don't bother. They wanna believe that the X1 is stronger in some magical, special way, let'em. Doesn't change facts.It's kinda late right now in my area and I have nothing better to do than to start fights with console warriors.
God, I can't wait until the first face-offs begin. The lulz that'll ensue will be much bigger than the 900p RYSE drama that was on GAF, N4G and every other gaming site.
Speaking of face-offs, Edge-Mag reported that devs will "castrate" PS4 multiplats due to "political reasons". I remember you saying that won't happen. Now, I think edge is pretty reliable. They were the ones to crack the 8 GB of GDDR5 before the PS4 reveal, so they probably have good sources. What say you?
[QUOTE="Zophar87"]Holy crap, is someone using LOGIC? on this forum?!?! There might be hope yet.A month before most of it's games go gold and a month and a half before the console launches? I call bullshit.
Shensolidus
There isn't any hope. I'm outnumbered 10:1.
Holy crap, is someone using LOGIC? on this forum?!?! There might be hope yet.[QUOTE="Shensolidus"][QUOTE="Zophar87"]
A month before most of it's games go gold and a month and a half before the console launches? I call bullshit.
Zophar87
There isn't any hope. I'm outnumbered 10:1.
Being a bit generous.Just don't bother. They wanna believe that the X1 is stronger in some magical, special way, let'em. Doesn't change facts.[QUOTE="Shensolidus"][QUOTE="XboxFails"]
What is 5 - 3?
The answer is 2. However, Adding 5, subtracting 5, adding 10, subtracting 3, adding 3 and then subtracting 13 to get 2 to make the process more complicated does not make the 2nd method better. In ALU, it takes up more processing power.
The Xbox ONE's design is more complicated than the PS4, but the PS4 is the one with the more advanced design and power.Â
XboxFails
It's kinda late right now in my area and I have nothing better to do than to start fights with console warriors.
God, I can't wait until the first face-offs begin. The lulz that'll ensue will be much bigger than the 900p RYSE drama that was on GAF, N4G and every other gaming site.
Speaking of face-offs, Edge-Mag reported that devs will "castrate" PS4 multiplats due to "political reasons". I remember you saying that won't happen. Now, I think edge is pretty reliable. They were the ones to crack the 8 GB of GDDR5 before the PS4 reveal, so they probably have good sources. What say you?
Nothing about these stories is as malicious as they have made it out to be. I'll simplify it for ya; if you're working on a big, multiplatform project, you reach the last 6-8 weeks - your game is code locked, content locked, and feature locked. This is where we hit the 'optimization' phase, where we start getting everything working, we're doing full-progression playthrough testing, and we start hammering away at getting those dreaded certification bugs ironed out in-time for submission. Code, in the midst of all this, begins toiling away at grabbing up some low-hanging fruit that is left for optimization in the engine, or if there is something inherent to the platform they are on. It's still a limited resource and the more platforms you have, the more stretched out this precious coder time is. So, what is happening (and only at one particular publisher mind you, little common sense outta shake out who it is too) is putting additional resources on getting the X1 version up to par. There is no game, platform exclusives included, that are utilizing some of the more basic aspects of these consoles. We simply need more time on final hardware. The only guys who are somewhat prepared are Sony 1st party, and that is primarily because their coders are used to writing in a > 4 core CPU environment. Understand that not even on PC are greater than Dual Core processors utilized as the standard. Thats why its not a big deal that these CPUs are sub 2.00 GHz; we literally have 6 cores as a standard to write for on every game. Exciting times for everyone! Okay, I got sidetracked. Um, basically most of these cross-gen titles have very limited platform specific optimization time - like having a pie. Only their making the X1 slice somewhat larger, but the truth is this isn't to make them run better, its just to get them to run to an acceptable standard (At all, for a few particular games). It is in the publisher's best interest to make their games look as good as possible. From what I have heard, there is a major influx of game teams that aren't talking about or showing multi-platform titles on next-gen specifically because their X1 versions aren't holding up AS WELL as the PS4, not saying they're super bad. Money-hatting for parity is foolish and illegal; entering into collusion to sabotage another company's product gets you in some thick shit in the US federal court. And MS has already been found guilty of Monopolistic business practices. If you don't wanna believe me, don't bother - we only have a few more weeks remaining till the games show you what I am talking about.[QUOTE="XboxFails"][QUOTE="Shensolidus"] Just don't bother. They wanna believe that the X1 is stronger in some magical, special way, let'em. Doesn't change facts.Shensolidus
It's kinda late right now in my area and I have nothing better to do than to start fights with console warriors.
God, I can't wait until the first face-offs begin. The lulz that'll ensue will be much bigger than the 900p RYSE drama that was on GAF, N4G and every other gaming site.
Speaking of face-offs, Edge-Mag reported that devs will "castrate" PS4 multiplats due to "political reasons". I remember you saying that won't happen. Now, I think edge is pretty reliable. They were the ones to crack the 8 GB of GDDR5 before the PS4 reveal, so they probably have good sources. What say you?
Nothing about these stories is as malicious as they have made it out to be. I'll simplify it for ya; if you're working on a big, multiplatform project, you reach the last 6-8 weeks - your game is code locked, content locked, and feature locked. This is where we hit the 'optimization' phase, where we start getting everything working, we're doing full-progression playthrough testing, and we start hammering away at getting those dreaded certification bugs ironed out in-time for submission. Code, in the midst of all this, begins toiling away at grabbing up some low-hanging fruit that is left for optimization in the engine, or if there is something inherent to the platform they are on. It's still a limited resource and the more platforms you have, the more stretched out this precious coder time is. So, what is happening (and only at one particular publisher mind you, little common sense outta shake out who it is too) is putting additional resources on getting the X1 version up to par. There is no game, platform exclusives included, that are utilizing some of the more basic aspects of these consoles. We simply need more time on final hardware. The only guys who are somewhat prepared are Sony 1st party, and that is primarily because their coders are used to writing in a > 4 core CPU environment. Understand that not even on PC are greater than Dual Core processors utilized as the standard. Thats why its not a big deal that these CPUs are sub 2.00 GHz; we literally have 6 cores as a standard to write for on every game. Exciting times for everyone! Okay, I got sidetracked. Um, basically most of these cross-gen titles have very limited platform specific optimization time - like having a pie. Only their making the X1 slice somewhat larger, but the truth is this isn't to make them run better, its just to get them to run to an acceptable standard (At all, for a few particular games). It is in the publisher's best interest to make their games look as good as possible. From what I have heard, there is a major influx of game teams that aren't talking about or showing multi-platform titles on next-gen specifically because their X1 versions aren't holding up AS WELL as the PS4, not saying they're super bad. Money-hatting for parity is foolish and illegal; entering into collusion to sabotage another company's product gets you in some thick shit in the US federal court. And MS has already been found guilty of Monopolistic business practices. If you don't wanna believe me, don't bother - we only have a few more weeks remaining till the games show you what I am talking about.Won't xboners just boycott 3rd parties since they're not utilizing Xbone's 5 TF dGPU?
[QUOTE="Shensolidus"][QUOTE="XboxFails"]
It's kinda late right now in my area and I have nothing better to do than to start fights with console warriors.
God, I can't wait until the first face-offs begin. The lulz that'll ensue will be much bigger than the 900p RYSE drama that was on GAF, N4G and every other gaming site.
Speaking of face-offs, Edge-Mag reported that devs will "castrate" PS4 multiplats due to "political reasons". I remember you saying that won't happen. Now, I think edge is pretty reliable. They were the ones to crack the 8 GB of GDDR5 before the PS4 reveal, so they probably have good sources. What say you?
XboxFails
Won't xboners just boycott 3rd parties since they're not utilizing Xbone's 5 TF dGPU?
5 TF dGPU? Is that supposed to be a joke?
nice one :lol:[QUOTE="Opus_Rea-333"][QUOTE="XboxFails"]
What is 5 - 3?
The answer is 2. However, Adding 5, subtracting 5, adding 10, subtracting 3, adding 3 and then subtracting 13 to get 2 to make the process more complicated does not make the 2nd method better. In ALU, it takes up more processing power.
The Xbox ONE's design is more complicated than the PS4, but the PS4 is the one with the more advanced design and power.Â
XboxFails
Why can't you just admit that SONY not only has the brute strength, but also the more efficient design? It must be killing you lemrats. :lol:
As a sidenote, I hope SONY crushes Microsoft next gen. Microsoft has proven to be a gigantic pain in the ass for the industry and I think it would be bes for everyone if they left. I'm hoping google joins the party.
First of all, I am not a Lem. As I stated before, I am getting BOTH consoles. Therefore, I am giving my non-bias opinion. I think the XBOX ONE has more power than the paper specs show and is a more complicated design than the PS4, but the PS4 has more obvious brute strength. I think the XBOX ONE's power has the potential to be tapped into more because of its more complicated design. but I don't think either console will have better graphics than the other. They will be equal.[QUOTE="XboxFails"]
[QUOTE="Shensolidus"] Shensolidus
Won't xboners just boycott 3rd parties since they're not utilizing Xbone's 5 TF dGPU?
5 TF dGPU? Is that supposed to be a joke?
That was a serious question. Xboners have been going on and on about the 5 TF dGPU. It's like they're having a mental breakdown that their precious Microsoft built a weaker system than SONY. I don't think any company would want to be known as the company responsible for the mass suicide of mentally unstable xbox ONE owners.
[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]
[QUOTE="XboxFails"]
Won't xboners just boycott 3rd parties since they're not utilizing Xbone's 5 TF dGPU?
XboxFails
5 TF dGPU? Is that supposed to be a joke?
That was a serious question. Xboners have been going on and on about the 5 TF dGPU. It's like they're having a mental breakdown that their precious Microsoft built a weaker system than SONY. I don't think any company would want to be known as the company responsible for the mass suicide of mentally unstable xbox ONE owners.
Again, graphics will be equal on both consoles. Just wait and see. It's all about the games!![QUOTE="XboxFails"][QUOTE="Shensolidus"]
5 TF dGPU? Is that supposed to be a joke?
Thunder7151
That was a serious question. Xboners have been going on and on about the 5 TF dGPU. It's like they're having a mental breakdown that their precious Microsoft built a weaker system than SONY. I don't think any company would want to be known as the company responsible for the mass suicide of mentally unstable xbox ONE owners.
Again, graphics will be equal on both consoles. Just wait and see. It's all about the games!!*sigh* Okay... all the specs that MS has talked about up to this point are 100% what is there in the box. There is no more or less there than what they have presented. Their breakdown of the hardware at Hotchips is EXACTLY what you can expect from the console, THERE IS NO OTHER COMPONENT. Obviously they won't come out and say that because there are a contingent of fans that NEED to have a shred of hope that there is more, but trust me, there is NOTHING ELSE in there.
There is this very silly idea that is permeating amongst fans that there is somehow more 'depth' in its configuration, that the PS4 does not have extensive customizations (which we know that it does have a significant amount, more so than the X1 in some departments) to allow this level of untapped potential when the truth is that both consoles have this well, and they are both very deep, PS4 being just a deeper well of potential than the X1.
I think the biggest problem here is that I see people saying that "Microsoft would never design such a weak console, there has to be more!", when it is very clear that they have designed this console from the very beginning to be way more about games. The possibility that individual talent in the company could yield a greater product doesn't enter anyone's mind. They underestimate Mark Cerny. As someone who has met the man, I can assure you he is on a level of intellect and understanding within this industry on par with Carmack, Newell, or Greenburg.
Again, graphics will be equal on both consoles. Just wait and see. It's all about the games!![QUOTE="Thunder7151"][QUOTE="XboxFails"]
That was a serious question. Xboners have been going on and on about the 5 TF dGPU. It's like they're having a mental breakdown that their precious Microsoft built a weaker system than SONY. I don't think any company would want to be known as the company responsible for the mass suicide of mentally unstable xbox ONE owners.
Shensolidus
*sigh* Okay... all the specs that MS has talked about up to this point are 100% what is there in the box. There is no more or less there than what they have presented. Their breakdown of the hardware at Hotchips is EXACTLY what you can expect from the console, THERE IS NO OTHER COMPONENT. Obviously they won't come out and say that because there are a contingent of fans that NEED to have a shred of hope that there is more, but trust me, there is NOTHING ELSE in there.
There is this very silly idea that is permeating amongst fans that there is somehow more 'depth' in its configuration, that the PS4 does not have extensive customizations (which we know that it does have a significant amount, more so than the X1 in some departments) to allow this level of untapped potential when the truth is that both consoles have this well, and they are both very deep, PS4 being just a deeper well of potential than the X1.
I think the biggest problem here is that I see people saying that "Microsoft would never design such a weak console, there has to be more!", when it is very clear that they have designed this console from the very beginning to be way more about games. The possibility that individual talent in the company could yield a greater product doesn't enter anyone's mind. They underestimate Mark Cerny. As someone who has met the man, I can assure you he is on a level of intellect and understanding within this industry on par with Carmack, Newell, or Greenburg.
Didn't Microsoft even say that they purposely didn't go for power this time?
[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]
[QUOTE="Thunder7151"] Again, graphics will be equal on both consoles. Just wait and see. It's all about the games!!Zophar87
*sigh* Okay... all the specs that MS has talked about up to this point are 100% what is there in the box. There is no more or less there than what they have presented. Their breakdown of the hardware at Hotchips is EXACTLY what you can expect from the console, THERE IS NO OTHER COMPONENT. Obviously they won't come out and say that because there are a contingent of fans that NEED to have a shred of hope that there is more, but trust me, there is NOTHING ELSE in there.
There is this very silly idea that is permeating amongst fans that there is somehow more 'depth' in its configuration, that the PS4 does not have extensive customizations (which we know that it does have a significant amount, more so than the X1 in some departments) to allow this level of untapped potential when the truth is that both consoles have this well, and they are both very deep, PS4 being just a deeper well of potential than the X1.
I think the biggest problem here is that I see people saying that "Microsoft would never design such a weak console, there has to be more!", when it is very clear that they have designed this console from the very beginning to be way more about games. The possibility that individual talent in the company could yield a greater product doesn't enter anyone's mind. They underestimate Mark Cerny. As someone who has met the man, I can assure you he is on a level of intellect and understanding within this industry on par with Carmack, Newell, or Greenburg.
Didn't Microsoft even say that they purposely didn't go for power this time?
They sure did, here is the article back from the May reveal event, in case anyone has already forgetten:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/xbox-one-does-not-target-high-end-graphics/0115918
[QUOTE="Zophar87"]
[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]
*sigh* Okay... all the specs that MS has talked about up to this point are 100% what is there in the box. There is no more or less there than what they have presented. Their breakdown of the hardware at Hotchips is EXACTLY what you can expect from the console, THERE IS NO OTHER COMPONENT. Obviously they won't come out and say that because there are a contingent of fans that NEED to have a shred of hope that there is more, but trust me, there is NOTHING ELSE in there.
There is this very silly idea that is permeating amongst fans that there is somehow more 'depth' in its configuration, that the PS4 does not have extensive customizations (which we know that it does have a significant amount, more so than the X1 in some departments) to allow this level of untapped potential when the truth is that both consoles have this well, and they are both very deep, PS4 being just a deeper well of potential than the X1.
I think the biggest problem here is that I see people saying that "Microsoft would never design such a weak console, there has to be more!", when it is very clear that they have designed this console from the very beginning to be way more about games. The possibility that individual talent in the company could yield a greater product doesn't enter anyone's mind. They underestimate Mark Cerny. As someone who has met the man, I can assure you he is on a level of intellect and understanding within this industry on par with Carmack, Newell, or Greenburg.
Shensolidus
Didn't Microsoft even say that they purposely didn't go for power this time?
They sure did, here is the article back from the May reveal event, in case anyone has already forgetten:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/xbox-one-does-not-target-high-end-graphics/0115918
Thought so. Although most fanboys will look over it and continue making graphics threads..
Is Tormentos suspended? He should've been all over this. That, and nobody has replied to Ron's posts lately. freedomfreak
My posts supports both PS4 and X1 sides. I supported the view from http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems/gpugems_ch28.html
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[QUOTE="Shensolidus"] Shensolidus
Won't xboners just boycott 3rd parties since they're not utilizing Xbone's 5 TF dGPU?
5 TF dGPU? Is that supposed to be a joke?
X1 doesn't have AMD Radeon HD R2 290X (more than 5 TFLOPS) and PC has console like APIs via AMD's Mantle.
More lies.
Again, graphics will be equal on both consoles. Just wait and see. It's all about the games!![QUOTE="Thunder7151"][QUOTE="XboxFails"]
That was a serious question. Xboners have been going on and on about the 5 TF dGPU. It's like they're having a mental breakdown that their precious Microsoft built a weaker system than SONY. I don't think any company would want to be known as the company responsible for the mass suicide of mentally unstable xbox ONE owners.
Shensolidus
*sigh* Okay... all the specs that MS has talked about up to this point are 100% what is there in the box. There is no more or less there than what they have presented. Their breakdown of the hardware at Hotchips is EXACTLY what you can expect from the console, THERE IS NO OTHER COMPONENT. Obviously they won't come out and say that because there are a contingent of fans that NEED to have a shred of hope that there is more, but trust me, there is NOTHING ELSE in there.
There is this very silly idea that is permeating amongst fans that there is somehow more 'depth' in its configuration, that the PS4 does not have extensive customizations (which we know that it does have a significant amount, more so than the X1 in some departments) to allow this level of untapped potential when the truth is that both consoles have this well, and they are both very deep, PS4 being just a deeper well of potential than the X1.
I think the biggest problem here is that I see people saying that "Microsoft would never design such a weak console, there has to be more!", when it is very clear that they have designed this console from the very beginning to be way more about games. The possibility that individual talent in the company could yield a greater product doesn't enter anyone's mind. They underestimate Mark Cerny. As someone who has met the man, I can assure you he is on a level of intellect and understanding within this industry on par with Carmack, Newell, or Greenburg.
IF Sony has selected AMD Xenos for their PS3 with a combined 5 SPEs + RSX TDP (i.e. ~170 watt GPU with unified shaders), it would be a very nice box for late 2006.The XBOX ONE has all the power it needs. It already has a similarly powerful GPU to the PS4 and the XBOX ONE's ESRAM makes up for the difference in bandwidth when compared to the PS4. It seems that the XBOX ONE's design is a bit more technically complicated and advanced than the PS4 in some ways, but the PS4 has more brute strength. I think both consoles are equally capable and it will all come down to which exclusive games a person prefers. I am buying both consoles so I can play whichever games I choose to.Thunder7151Yes and no. It depends on the workload type.
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