NeoGAF user CBOAT has drawn infamy due to his notoriously accurate leaks from within Microsoft about all things to do with their upcoming Xbox One console. Allegedly, one of his latest nuggets of insider knowledge had him stating that most Xbox One games would run at a compromised resolution of 900p, instead of the next gen 1080p that we were all looking forward to. Considering that even the Wii U hits 1080p with all of its premier games, that’s a bit sad.
CBOAT has gone on the record to say that the console is being rushed to the market, and that Microsoft have not planned the hardware properly- according to him, a 2014 release for the console would have been much suited, because as it stands now, the console will almost certainly have reliability issues like the Xbox 360′s Red Ring of Death.
The rumor spread like wildfire, and Microsoft was swift to respond:
“I actually am aware of that and know a few of them. You should know we’ve gotten many devkits throughout this past year.
The console in question [the one that CBOAT is talking about] is a zebra turned stress machine for hardware/heat issues testing.”
It might be damage control, or it might be true; given the history, both Microsoft with the Xbox 360, and CBOAT with his leaks, I’m more inclined to believe the former than the latter.
*sigh*
Microsoft could really use some good news for a change.
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So once again CBOAT just regurgitates rumors that have been around for ages and pretends like he made them up.
@GravityX: I believe the 900p might be true. Think cboat is a little bitter about the clock upclocks tho I dont buy the risk factor. Cboat is disgruntled for sure and take a lil with a grain of salt.
May be true.? Ryse is 900p,and that i know only 1 games is confirmed 1080p and is Forza.
CBOAT wasn't the one who claimed downclock it was thuway and bruceleeroy.
And higher the clocks the higher the heat,and the xbox one having a huge fan + no internal PSN even that the console is huge means that the console had heat issues to begin with,the PS4 is smaller,has an internal PSU and is actually stronger.
Yields has a relationship with clock speeds/speed binning. One of the reasons for the up clocks was MS was getting better yields.
Yields has a relationship with clock speeds/speed binning. One of the reasons for the up clocks was MS was getting better yields.
No not at all...
You can have yield problems because chips are running to hot,or you can have yield issues because your chip instead of 14 CU is coming out with only 12 CU out of 14,so instead of trowing the chips with 12 CU away,you lock your design at 12 CU so that you can use any 12 CU chips as well as any 14 CU chip as well.
The yield are bad and MS up clock because the performance of the xbox one sucked hard,developers are screaming it all over the net,and some how you think it is a joke or damage controls MS knows,not only the GPU is not a full 7790,the system also has a 10% GPU reservation that was another hit to performance.
1230 Gflops - 140 Gflops landed the xbox one on 1.09Gflops before the upclock,that was close to 700Gflosp away from the PS4.
You people want to pretend 660 Gflops is nothing but that is actually more than half of the xbox one total usable power,the xbox one has 1180 Gflops the PS4 has 660Gflops on it.
660x2 = 1320 Gflops.
So yeah the difference between the PS4 and xbox one is actually bigger than half the xbox one total power.
Oh and it wasn't CBOAT who claim downclock it was thuway and bruceleeroy.
@tormentos: cboat cred isnt what it used to be. I believe the 900p stuff and not happy. The risk I dont believe. Its hard to even get at what he is saying there and the clocks were modest. If cboay was such in the know about hardware he would of known about the upclock. So on that I disregard. Looks like 900p might be the sweet spot for the 32mb frame buffer
Yields has a relationship with clock speeds/speed binning. One of the reasons for the up clocks was MS was getting better yields.
No not at all...
You can have yield problems because chips are running to hot,or you can have yield issues because your chip instead of 14 CU is coming out with only 12 CU out of 14,so instead of trowing the chips with 12 CU away,you lock your design at 12 CU so that you can use any 12 CU chips as well as any 14 CU chip as well.
The yield are bad and MS up clock because the performance of the xbox one sucked hard,developers are screaming it all over the net,and some how you think it is a joke or damage controls MS knows,not only the GPU is not a full 7790,the system also has a 10% GPU reservation that was another hit to performance.
1230 Gflops - 140 Gflops landed the xbox one on 1.09Gflops before the upclock,that was close to 700Gflosp away from the PS4.
You people want to pretend 660 Gflops is nothing but that is actually more than half of the xbox one total usable power,the xbox one has 1180 Gflops the PS4 has 660Gflops on it.
660x2 = 1320 Gflops.
So yeah the difference between the PS4 and xbox one is actually bigger than half the xbox one total power.
Oh and it wasn't CBOAT who claim downclock it was thuway and bruceleeroy.
Yields influences chip's internal resistance (due to impurities) and signal noise factors, which in-turn influences clock speed outcomes.
Running "hot" is just voltage uplift to overcome the chip's internal resistance (i.e. energy being converted into heat) and signal noise factors.
You could have disabled CUs while still having low internal resistance (due to impurities) and signal noise factors e.g. lower mobile SKUs.
X1's yield issues was already posted from semiaccurate.com http://semiaccurate.com/2012/09/04/microsoft-xbox-next-delay-rumors-abound/
Yields influences chip's internal resistance (due to impurities) and signal noise factors, which in-turn influences clock speed outcomes.
You could have disabled CUs while still having low internal resistance (due to impurities) and signal noise factors e.g. lower mobile SKUs.
Yield problems can be anything dude an APU with 6 cores instead of 8,12 CU instead of 14,in Cell case for the PS3 it was 1 SPE,most chips came with all 8 working but many came with only 7 SPE working so sony,decided that 1 SPE would be lock for redundancy.
Same happen with the xbox one same happen with the PS4 i am sure,the PS4 GPU has 20CU and 2 are off for the same reason yields.
Yields influences chip's internal resistance (due to impurities) and signal noise factors, which in-turn influences clock speed outcomes.
You could have disabled CUs while still having low internal resistance (due to impurities) and signal noise factors e.g. lower mobile SKUs.
Yield problems can be anything dude an APU with 6 cores instead of 8,12 CU instead of 14,in Cell case for the PS3 it was 1 SPE,most chips came with all 8 working but many came with only 7 SPE working so sony,decided that 1 SPE would be lock for redundancy.
Same happen with the xbox one same happen with the PS4 i am sure,the PS4 GPU has 20CU and 2 are off for the same reason yields.
There's no "yield programs can be anything" with chip yields i.e. it still obeys the law of physics and it's a finite number of problems. The impurities in the chip disturbs the electron paths in the chip hence resistance.
Yields influences chip's internal resistance (due to impurities) and signal noise factors, which in-turn influences clock speed outcomes.
You could have disabled CUs while still having low internal resistance (due to impurities) and signal noise factors e.g. lower mobile SKUs.
Yield problems can be anything dude an APU with 6 cores instead of 8,12 CU instead of 14,in Cell case for the PS3 it was 1 SPE,most chips came with all 8 working but many came with only 7 SPE working so sony,decided that 1 SPE would be lock for redundancy.
Same happen with the xbox one same happen with the PS4 i am sure,the PS4 GPU has 20CU and 2 are off for the same reason yields.
it isn't confirmed that ps4 is 20 cu's. You can assume, but its not confirmed until its fully disclosed. Id be surprised too if it was 18, but you know where that has gotten you in the past with assuming tormentos.
cboat is a fraud..... cant take him seriously, I think that last post was so bitter, sounds like the guy got figured out by Microsoft and they axed him. Reeks of desperation. oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh im back and I own this sytemwars baby.....
it isn't confirmed that ps4 is 20 cu's. You can assume, but its not confirmed until its fully disclosed. Id be surprised too if it was 18, but you know where that has gotten you in the past with assuming tormentos.
There's no "yield programs can be anything" with chip yields i.e. it still obeys the law of physics and it's a finite number of problems. The impurities in the chip disturbs the electron paths in the chip hence resistance.
Hahahaha...
Keep copy pasting...lol
Fact is many Cell CPU came with 7 working SPE so sony instead of using only 8 SPE chips decide that any chip with 7 or 8 SPE wold be use,that is call redundancy.
MS did the same and they STATED it 14 CU 2 off for redundancy,if they would have chose to use only 14 CU working chips the xbox one would have an even bigger shortage,i am sure sony us doing the same.
NeoGaf is owned by Sony. I wouldn't believe anything they say. Last rumors I heard is final XB1 devkits were sent out sometime at the end of Aug. There have also been rumors of PS4 retail hardware overheating and crashing. Might be why they haven't sent any of them to retail with kiosks yet. Time will tell. The next year should be interesting.
blackace self owning himself again, does he ever get tired of looking like an idiot?
Looks like you have egg on your face dummy. NeoGaf is worthless. Pretty much everyone knows that.
comprehension fail..., The picture implied that you self-owned yourself friend. >_>
NeoGaf is owned by Sony. I wouldn't believe anything they say. Last rumors I heard is final XB1 devkits were sent out sometime at the end of Aug. There have also been rumors of PS4 retail hardware overheating and crashing. Might be why they haven't sent any of them to retail with kiosks yet. Time will tell. The next year should be interesting.
Do you even read or you just go full damage control mode without reading.?
MS is admitting faulty hardware they did not deny it,they claimed it is some stress test units..
I read it. NeoGaf is still being paid for by Sony. The story doesn't change that. Yes, I know they are saying the units were stress test units which makes this whole thread irrelevant. Every hardware analyst who've looked at the XB1 has said there's no way it will overheat. The fan that's in it is almost 1/3 the size of the unit. lol!! How come no one has seen the inside of the PS4 yet. LOL!!
thats not the XB1 in that picture, it's a 360s, i know i took mine apart the other day to clean the fan, the Fan shroud is missing in that picture.
That's because you're reading a lot of BS on a bias forum. Even positive news on XB1 (like their tour) will be bashed and rejected here in SW.
No they news wasn't bash,it was you who people bashed for trying to making see like sony wasn't showing the console while MS was.. lol
@blackace said:
I read it. NeoGaf is still being paid for by Sony. The story doesn't change that. Yes, I know they are saying the units were stress test units which makes this whole thread irrelevant. Every hardware analyst who've looked at the XB1 has said there's no way it will overheat. The fan that's in it is almost 1/3 the size of the unit. lol!! How come no one has seen the inside of the PS4 yet. LOL!!
Thats ironic considering your conspiracy theory that MS is paying DF, talk about pot calling the kettle black *sigh*
There's no "yield programs can be anything" with chip yields i.e. it still obeys the law of physics and it's a finite number of problems. The impurities in the chip disturbs the electron paths in the chip hence resistance.
Hahahaha...
Keep copy pasting...lol
Fact is many Cell CPU came with 7 working SPE so sony instead of using only 8 SPE chips decide that any chip with 7 or 8 SPE wold be use,that is call redundancy.
MS did the same and they STATED it 14 CU 2 off for redundancy,if they would have chose to use only 14 CU working chips the xbox one would have an even bigger shortage,i am sure sony us doing the same.
You don't need to act scientific.
If attending logic circuit subjects at uni equates to "copy and pasting" then you have problems.
There's nothing new with CELL's 1 disabled SPE for yield purposes i.e. this approach for yield issues has been done before Sony's PS3 e.g. Radeon 9500 vs 9700, or X700 vs X800.
cboat is a fraud..... cant take him seriously, I think that last post was so bitter, sounds like the guy got figured out by Microsoft and they axed him. Reeks of desperation. oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh im back and I own this sytemwars baby.....
CBOAT is a fraud ,yet sounds like MS fired him...lol wut?
There's no "yield programs can be anything" with chip yields i.e. it still obeys the law of physics and it's a finite number of problems. The impurities in the chip disturbs the electron paths in the chip hence resistance.
Hahahaha...
Keep copy pasting...lol
Fact is many Cell CPU came with 7 working SPE so sony instead of using only 8 SPE chips decide that any chip with 7 or 8 SPE wold be use,that is call redundancy.
MS did the same and they STATED it 14 CU 2 off for redundancy,if they would have chose to use only 14 CU working chips the xbox one would have an even bigger shortage,i am sure sony us doing the same.
You don't need to act scientific.
If attending logic circuit subjects at uni equates to "copy and pasting" then you have problems.
There's nothing new with CELL's 1 disabled SPE for yield purposes i.e. this approach for yield issues has been done before Sony's PS3 e.g. Radeon 9500 vs 9700, or X700 vs X800.
you might be right but you are making the worst case assumption for the ps4 and then making the best case assumption on the xbone
@tormentos: cboat cred isnt what it used to be. I believe the 900p stuff and not happy. The risk I dont believe. Its hard to even get at what he is saying there and the clocks were modest. If cboay was such in the know about hardware he would of known about the upclock. So on that I disregard. Looks like 900p might be the sweet spot for the 32mb frame buffer
For Crysis 3 at 1080p and max details (with SMAA X4), anything less than 7950 class GPU has less than 30 fps.
Under R9 280X model number, AMD Tahiti is the new "7870" price segment product that replaced AMD Pitcairn.
Between this nonsense and the reports of PS4s easily overheating, I think some people are taking this systems wars thing far too seriously. I wonder if Gamespot will ever go back to normal after November comes....
@tormentos: cboat cred isnt what it used to be. I believe the 900p stuff and not happy. The risk I dont believe. Its hard to even get at what he is saying there and the clocks were modest. If cboay was such in the know about hardware he would of known about the upclock. So on that I disregard. Looks like 900p might be the sweet spot for the 32mb frame buffer
For Crysis 3 at 1080p and max details (with SMAA X4), anything less than 7950 class GPU has less than 30 fps.
Under R9 280X model number, AMD Tahiti is the new "7870" price segment product that replaced AMD Pitcairn.
Your post has nothing to do with a tiny 32mb. Also SMAA is not even needed and curious how would do with low level API and FXAA.
Between this nonsense and the reports of PS4s easily overheating, I think some people are taking this systems wars thing far too seriously. I wonder if Gamespot will ever go back to normal after November comes....
I agree, it's stuff like this that makes me glad I switched to PC gaming. I won't be buying either console until at least 6 months after launch.,
Didn't Microsoft learn anything from 360 HW problems? It really is pathetic that MS are releasing a next-gen console that still faces some HW problems like before :/ .. I love Nintendo for being reliable with their HW :)
Of course Nintendo consoles are reliable. How hard can it be to make a console that's a gen behind?
Thats ironic considering your conspiracy theory that MS is paying DF, talk about pot calling the kettle black *sigh*
Lets see...
Neogaf is a forum with tons of members,how is sony paying all those members please explain.?
DF is a site run for profits,that out of no where started making articles after articles about the xbox one,and guessing and spreading miss information about the PS4,..
Do i have to quote how they claimed the PS4 only record 7 minutes.? When the in the video it was clearly say by a sony rep SEVERAL and not 7.? How they refuse to admit been wrong and actually accuse sony of fixing something DF miss heard.?
The problem with DF articles is that all come from the same person in question,who lately has an escalate of articles trying to make the xbox one seen more powerful than it really is,then the whole comparison using a 7850 to represent the xbox one.?
When there is a GPU out there from the same series Bonaire 7790 which they could under clock to 1.31 TF.? How about ignoring the 10% GPU reservation on xbox one,like it doesn't exist when they did that test.?
It was far more easy to lower the clock on the 7790 and reach 1.18 TF and to represent the xbox,and over clock a 7850 to represent the PS4,but they know what they were doing when they chose that 7850 to represent the xbox one,which in nothing does.
DF got tainted and leadbetter reputation is on the floor,the dude sold out..
Oh and i forgot about the so call developers leaks that Leadbetter was getting,that turn out to be MS telling Leadbetter what to say,while he falsely claimed it was a developer source they have,to actually not raise any question about the validity of the numbers in claim.
Now please explain to me how sony is paying neogaf member which are individuals with their own opinion.
You already did this sh** when you compared a moron posting on a forum with a unname developer who wanted to remain anonymous.
Thats ironic considering your conspiracy theory that MS is paying DF, talk about pot calling the kettle black *sigh*
Lets see...
Neogaf is a forum with tons of members,how is sony paying all those members please explain.?
DF is a site run for profits,that out of no where started making articles after articles about the xbox one,and guessing and spreading miss information about the PS4,..
Do i have to quote how they claimed the PS4 only record 7 minutes.? When the in the video it was clearly say by a sony rep SEVERAL and not 7.? How they refuse to admit been wrong and actually accuse sony of fixing something DF miss heard.?
The problem with DF articles is that all come from the same person in question,who lately has an escalate of articles trying to make the xbox one seen more powerful than it really is,then the whole comparison using a 7850 to represent the xbox one.?
When there is a GPU out there from the same series Bonaire 7790 which they could under clock to 1.31 TF.? How about ignoring the 10% GPU reservation on xbox one,like it doesn't exist when they did that test.?
It was far more easy to lower the clock on the 7790 and reach 1.18 TF and to represent the xbox,and over clock a 7850 to represent the PS4,but they know what they were doing when they chose that 7850 to represent the xbox one,which in nothing does.
DF got tainted and leadbetter reputation is on the floor,the dude sold out..
Oh and i forgot about the so call developers leaks that Leadbetter was getting,that turn out to be MS telling Leadbetter what to say,while he falsely claimed it was a developer source they have,to actually not raise any question about the validity of the numbers in claim.
Now please explain to me how sony is paying neogaf member which are individuals with their own opinion.
You already did this sh** when you compared a moron posting on a forum with a unname developer who wanted to remain anonymous.
PS4 has it's own reservation since one of it's graphics command units is allocated to PS4's GUI.
The main reason I use a prototype 7850 with 12 CUs (768 stream processors) are it's interaction with memory bandwidth. X1's GCN has larger memory bandwidth for greater concurrent ROPS and TMU (CU's load/store units) processing when compared to 7770/7790.
@tormentos: cboat cred isnt what it used to be. I believe the 900p stuff and not happy. The risk I dont believe. Its hard to even get at what he is saying there and the clocks were modest. If cboay was such in the know about hardware he would of known about the upclock. So on that I disregard. Looks like 900p might be the sweet spot for the 32mb frame buffer
For Crysis 3 at 1080p and max details (with SMAA X4), anything less than 7950 class GPU has less than 30 fps.
Under R9 280X model number, AMD Tahiti is the new "7870" price segment product that replaced AMD Pitcairn.
Your post has nothing to do with a tiny 32mb. Also SMAA is not even needed and curious how would do with low level API and FXAA.
According to Intel, it's 32 MB eDRAM has a hit rate of about 95 precent on current game workloads. Note that Intel eDRAM's bandwidth (50GB/s per direction or 100GB/s aggregate) is inferior to X1's ESRAM (102 GB/s per direction or 204 GB/s aggregate).
X1's 68 GB/s DDR3 main memory is not limited by PC's PCI-E ver 3.0 16X's 32 GB/s aggregate bandwidth (for both directions) nor PC's software barrier** between VRAM and main memory.
**Needs AMD HSA/Mantle software stack.
xxgunslingerxx
you might be right but you are making the worst case assumption for the ps4 and then making the best case assumption on the xbone
What worst case assumption that I have attributed to PS4? I don't generally comment on PS4.
Thats ironic considering your conspiracy theory that MS is paying DF, talk about pot calling the kettle black *sigh*
Lets see...
Neogaf is a forum with tons of members,how is sony paying all those members please explain.?
For the sake of the argument, if we say this conspiracy exists, Sony wouldn't need to be paying individual NeoGAF members, just the admin, to keep a tight leash on the posted content, removing negative PS4 info, and positive X1 info.
So, the NeoGAF conspiracy theory isn't any more dumb than your DF conspiracy. As delta said, a pot calling the kettle black.
NeoGaf is owned by Sony. I wouldn't believe anything they say. Last rumors I heard is final XB1 devkits were sent out sometime at the end of Aug. There have also been rumors of PS4 retail hardware overheating and crashing. Might be why they haven't sent any of them to retail with kiosks yet. Time will tell. The next year should be interesting.
MS is owned by GS. Case in point: the little 'clouds' next to someone's online status.
One game runs at 900p, people are acting like all of them are....
That one game isn't even on PS4 so there is no comparison.
Games like Forza 5 are 1080p at 60fps, I don't see anyone saying the PS4 sucks because Killzone SF is 1080 at 30FPS........ you cannot compare two different games that aren't on each system.
There have been lots of third party games where they run the same on each system at the same framerate and resolution...
NeoGaf is owned by Sony. I wouldn't believe anything they say. Last rumors I heard is final XB1 devkits were sent out sometime at the end of Aug. There have also been rumors of PS4 retail hardware overheating and crashing. Might be why they haven't sent any of them to retail with kiosks yet. Time will tell. The next year should be interesting.
Do you even read or you just go full damage control mode without reading.?
MS is admitting faulty hardware they did not deny it,they claimed it is some stress test units..
I read it. NeoGaf is still being paid for by Sony. The story doesn't change that. Yes, I know they are saying the units were stress test units which makes this whole thread irrelevant. Every hardware analyst who've looked at the XB1 has said there's no way it will overheat. The fan that's in it is almost 1/3 the size of the unit. lol!! How come no one has seen the inside of the PS4 yet. LOL!!
thats not the XB1 in that picture, it's a 360s, i know i took mine apart the other day to clean the fan, the Fan shroud is missing in that picture.
Xbone uses that big stealth fan to fly around like a spy drone, then it shoot ads in your head with the IR blaster as you sleep
NeoGaf is owned by Sony. I wouldn't believe anything they say. Last rumors I heard is final XB1 devkits were sent out sometime at the end of Aug. There have also been rumors of PS4 retail hardware overheating and crashing. Might be why they haven't sent any of them to retail with kiosks yet. Time will tell. The next year should be interesting.
Do you even read or you just go full damage control mode without reading.?
MS is admitting faulty hardware they did not deny it,they claimed it is some stress test units..
I read it. NeoGaf is still being paid for by Sony. The story doesn't change that. Yes, I know they are saying the units were stress test units which makes this whole thread irrelevant. Every hardware analyst who've looked at the XB1 has said there's no way it will overheat. The fan that's in it is almost 1/3 the size of the unit. lol!! How come no one has seen the inside of the PS4 yet. LOL!!
thats not the XB1 in that picture, it's a 360s, i know i took mine apart the other day to clean the fan, the Fan shroud is missing in that picture.
Xbone uses that big stealth fan to fly around like a spy drone, then it shoot ads in your head with the IR blaster as you sleep
That is an Xbox One and the great cooling and external PSU means it can be overclocked, where the PS4 cannot as it was designed to run the stock speeds with no overhead.
So in theory Microsoft could clock their GPU to 1ghrz which I believe is around the max setting for it, the CPU who knows? Probably 2.3ghrz or something.
PS4 has it's own reservation since one of it's graphics command units is allocated to PS4's GUI.
The main reason I use a prototype 7850 with 12 CUs (768 stream processors) are it's interaction with memory bandwidth. X1's GCN has larger memory bandwidth for greater concurrent ROPS and TMU (CU's load/store units) processing when compared to 7770/7790.
LINK.
And another link if you want to even imply that is even close to 10% the PS4 doesn't have snap and Kinect mandatory which are the biggest 2 reasons for MS GPU reservation,oh and the UI on xbox one is GPU accelerated,so if you want to argue something about this,argue that the xbox one UI will be smoother i can give you that.
The problem is that you wan to use the prototype because it has something in common with the xbox one GPU,but you want to ignore than the 7790 has even more in common with it.
Is about time you admit that you were wrong about it,MS confirmed 14 CU the only GCN with 14 CU is Bonaire,and this 2 hardware have specific GPU's tied to them the PS4 a 7870 with lower clock and 2 CU disable for yields and Bonaire 7790 with lower clock speed and 2 CU disable for yields.
BF4 is say to run on 900p on PS4 720p on xbox one,there difference is there and is already showing,and that only shows resolution,we most see on release how big the impact is on image quality,at the end the xbox one is 1.18TF no cache or high bandwidth can change that and i told you so,the game on xbox one is 720p.
In fact i dare say medium at 720p is what the xbox one version will be..
For the sake of the argument, if we say this conspiracy exists, Sony wouldn't need to be paying individual NeoGAF members, just the admin, to keep a tight leash on the posted content, removing negative PS4 info, and positive X1 info.
So, the NeoGAF conspiracy theory isn't any more dumb than your DF conspiracy. As delta said, a pot calling the kettle black.
Really but the admin doesn't control individual opinions on the forum,there have been sony fans banned on neogaf,just like xbox fans,recently more xbox fans because they have loss it and several have claim to have inside info,but when confronted by the admin the whole claim fall apart.
If you claim you have inside info you better be prepare to back it up,you know how here shensolidus (i think he is call that way) claim that he has inside info,here he doesn't get ban,on neo gaf any member who spot you doing that for sony or MS side will be quickly ask for proof and if you don't show them your ban.
There is little positive info about the xbox one.
Is $500 under power,it use to carry some horrible policies,its launch games like the PS4 aren't the greatest,everything still is lock under a damn pay wall.
MS screwed up is not neogaf fault that happen,hell they even allowed Panello and Major Nelson to join the site when neogaf has a strict policy about shills and many had been ban in both sides,Nelson and Panello are MS employee they will defend anything xbox,basically they are the ultimate shills,and they are allow to post,have you see Mark Cerny on neogaf.? Have you see Yoshida.?
Neogaf conspiracy is out of this world,specially because even if you pay the admit,neogaf is a forum full of different opinions,and threads are allowed about anything as long as the rules are fallow.
GAJY_FILTH
That is an Xbox One and the great cooling and external PSU means it can be overclocked, where the PS4 cannot as it was designed to run the stock speeds with no overhead.
So in theory Microsoft could clock their GPU to 1ghrz which I believe is around the max setting for it, the CPU who knows? Probably 2.3ghrz or something.
This is silly,the PS3 had an internal PSU and the xbox 360 suffer more from heat that the PS3.
Also the PS3 fat also had a huge fan like the xbox one does that mean it could be over clock.?
The xbox one been bigger is not because it can be over clock,it is because MS sucks designing units,the PS4 is way smaller while been more powerful because sony is a hardware company at hear with more years of hardware making experience than what MS has as a whole company,by the time MS was created sony already make electronic devices.
The xbox 360 had no internal PSU,the PS3 does,it took MS 2 more years than sony to actually make a redesign console the PS3 slim hit on 2009,3 years after after release MS on 2010 5 years after release.
MS just doesn't have the same hardware making skill as sony.
There is a reason why the up clocks are cause for concerns already,the xbox one been huge and having no internal PSU is not because MS chose it so they could over clock the console,is because they basically such designing hardware.
See Nameless One,claims like this ^^ is what make xbox fans get ban on neogaf,and they would actually make a posting spree defending those types of claim without any back up.
PS4 has it's own reservation since one of it's graphics command units is allocated to PS4's GUI.
The main reason I use a prototype 7850 with 12 CUs (768 stream processors) are it's interaction with memory bandwidth. X1's GCN has larger memory bandwidth for greater concurrent ROPS and TMU (CU's load/store units) processing when compared to 7770/7790.
LINK.
And another link if you want to even imply that is even close to 10% the PS4 doesn't have snap and Kinect mandatory which are the biggest 2 reasons for MS GPU reservation,oh and the UI on xbox one is GPU accelerated,so if you want to argue something about this,argue that the xbox one UI will be smoother i can give you that.
The problem is that you wan to use the prototype because it has something in common with the xbox one GPU,but you want to ignore than the 7790 has even more in common with it.
Is about time you admit that you were wrong about it,MS confirmed 14 CU the only GCN with 14 CU is Bonaire,and this 2 hardware have specific GPU's tied to them the PS4 a 7870 with lower clock and 2 CU disable for yields and Bonaire 7790 with lower clock speed and 2 CU disable for yields.
BF4 is say to run on 900p on PS4 720p on xbox one,there difference is there and is already showing,and that only shows resolution,we most see on release how big the impact is on image quality,at the end the xbox one is 1.18TF no cache or high bandwidth can change that and i told you so,the game on xbox one is 720p.
In fact i dare say medium at 720p is what the xbox one version will be..
I don't need a link since TMUs and ROPs are units that consumes memory bandwidth and can be calculated e.g. ROP's and TMU's bytes per cycle rates.
None of the PC hardware has shown a prototype 7850 with 12 CUs (768 stream processors with 48 TMUs) and 153.6GB/s memory bandwidth.
Disabled CUs doesn't change the fundamental processing power of the device i.e. it will remain about 1.3 TFLOPS at 860Mhz from 12 CUs.
For read and write ROPs, 7790's 96 GB/s bandwidth wouldn't even fully use it's 16 ROP's Gpixel rate e.g. 165 GB/s.
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