xbox one secret sauce could blow ps4 out.link inside

And cows and lems keep fighting while sheep and herms laugh :roll:

SchnabbleTab

sheeps dont exist, and hermits are an afterthought.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

trying way too hard :lol: gues it wont be good for the higher latency PS4 Gddr5 model. DEALWITHIT cow apologist.

ronvalencia

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.

:lol: right here you have the education of a misinforming mongrel cow. EPIC, RON FOR PRESIDENT but but it cant be done because of ESRAM hahahahahahaha :lol:

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] PS4 has more Bandwidth to its System RAM than the XBone does to the ESRAM. The only way the XBone can move more than 88 GB/s is with simultaneous read/write from both ESRAM and main memory. So, please kindly take a seat while the grown ups talk.Mr720fan

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.

:lol: right here you have the education of a misinforming mongrel cow. EPIC, RON FOR PRESIDENT but but it cant be done because of ESRAM hahahahahahaha :lol:

While GDDR5 module's latency can be similar to DDR3 module(I have the docs to prove it), the memory controller is another story.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/3

Intel claims that it would take a 100 - 130GB/s GDDR memory interface to deliver similar effective performance to Crystalwell since the latter is a cache. Accessing the same data (e.g. texture reads) over and over again is greatly benefitted by having a large L4 cache on package.

Intel attacked the memory interface for GDDR.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] PS4 has more Bandwidth to its System RAM than the XBone does to the ESRAM. The only way the XBone can move more than 88 GB/s is with simultaneous read/write from both ESRAM and main memory. So, please kindly take a seat while the grown ups talk.Mr720fan

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.

:lol: right here you have the education of a misinforming mongrel cow. EPIC, RON FOR PRESIDENT but but it cant be done because of ESRAM hahahahahahaha :lol:

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.

ziggyww

:lol: right here you have the education of a misinforming mongrel cow. EPIC, RON FOR PRESIDENT but but it cant be done because of ESRAM hahahahahahaha :lol:

dat Damage control... why dont you just watch the video cow.... and i always said that the difference will be like it was this generation. Maybe multiplats run smoother on ps4 but overall not that big of a deal. To make it like PS4 is going to have such superior games is hogwash, cows are just too stupid to get this. Trying to justify a purchase i guess.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.

ronvalencia

:lol: right here you have the education of a misinforming mongrel cow. EPIC, RON FOR PRESIDENT but but it cant be done because of ESRAM hahahahahahaha :lol:

While GDDR5 module's latency can be similar to DDR3 module(I have the docs to prove it), the memory controller is another story.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/3

Intel claims that it would take a 100 - 130GB/s GDDR memory interface to deliver similar effective performance to Crystalwell since the latter is a cache. Accessing the same data (e.g. texture reads) over and over again is greatly benefitted by having a large L4 cache on package.

Intel attacked the memory interface for GDDR.

dude i love you.. keep up the good work, thanks for educating us all!!! you must be a developer or something.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="granddogg"]

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/26/microsoft-reveals-how-tiled-resources-enables-detailed-graphics-on-xbox-one-and-windows-8-1/

Mr720fan

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

so in your estimation what kind of value if any does this have to microsoft and do you see SONY using this as well with OPEN GL?

With AMD PRT, you can overcommit your VRAM and still perform well i.e. this is dependant on texture visibility/recyclability and look ahead pre-fetch engine/processes. It's a puzzle to be solved.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gcn/Pages/gcn-architecture.aspx

PRT can utilize absolutely enormous texture files, up to 32 terabytes large, with minimal performance impact. PRT accomplishes this by streaming small bits of these massive textures into the GPU as needed, giving compatible games a virtually endless supply of unique texture data it can apply to the game world. The GCN Architecture in 28nm AMD Radeon products is the first GPU design to feature a hardware implementation of this technology. Partially Resident Textures (PRT) enables future games to utilize ultra-high resolution textures with the same performance as today's small and often repetitive textures.

PS; Blu-ray is not enough for 32 terabyte textures. Btw, AMD also gave hints (i.e. "future games") for going beyond DX11.1 with thier GCN presentations e.g. DX11.2

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

 

 

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

 

 

ronvalencia

so in your estimation what kind of value if any does this have to microsoft and do you see SONY using this as well with OPEN GL?

With AMD PRT, you can overcommit your VRAM and still perform well i.e. this is dependant on texture visibility/recyclability and look ahead pre-fetch engine/processes. It's a puzzle to be solved.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gcn/Pages/gcn-architecture.aspx

PRT can utilize absolutely enormous texture files, up to 32 terabytes large, with minimal performance impact. PRT accomplishes this by streaming small bits of these massive textures into the GPU as needed, giving compatible games a virtually endless supply of unique texture data it can apply to the game world. The GCN Architecture in 28nm AMD Radeon products is the first GPU design to feature a hardware implementation of this technology. Partially Resident Textures (PRT) enables future games to utilize ultra-high resolution textures with the same performance as today's small and often repetitive textures.

PS; Blu-ray is not enough for 32 terabyte textures. Btw, AMD also gave hints for going beyond DX11.1 with thier GCN presentations e.g. DX11.2

thanks alot you are extremely knowledgable 

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

trying way too hard :lol: gues it wont be good for the higher latency PS4 Gddr5 model. DEALWITHIT cow apologist.

ronvalencia

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] PS4 has more Bandwidth to its System RAM than the XBone does to the ESRAM. The only way the XBone can move more than 88 GB/s is with simultaneous read/write from both ESRAM and main memory. So, please kindly take a seat while the grown ups talk.Shewgenja

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.

yeah because most games will go over 5 gigs :lol: dude youve been owned, get off that shit payroll of sonys 

Cows are having a rough weak just look up and read shew all ober the place and trying so hard :lol:  ron for prez after this

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.

ziggyww

:lol: right here you have the education of a misinforming mongrel cow. EPIC, RON FOR PRESIDENT but but it cant be done because of ESRAM hahahahahahaha :lol:

You are not factoring AMD's PRT hardware feature e.g. 32 terabyte texture with minimal performance impact. You are thinking of the last-gen game engines i.e. AMD PRT hardware is designed for future game engines and large PC 3D applications.

hhhmmm

After months of research and countless hours of hard work I came to this conclusion

Lems think Xbox > Playstation while Cows believe Playstation > Xbox, and no matter how many hardware comparisons, legit information or any type of proof you'll gather/show on these boads things will never change.. 

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

 

 

 

 

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.

 

 

 

 

 

Mr720fan

yeah because most games will go over 5 gigs :lol: dude youve been owned, get off that shit payroll of sonys 

Hm. I'm not technically savvy as many users here, but in all honesty, I thought consoles and PCs were already doing this (to the same or lesser extent). Isn't this just basically swapping out textures depending upon the field of view?

Lems are so desperate lately, what gives?

Davekeeh

Cows are having a rough weak just look up and read shew all ober the place and trying so hard :lol:  ron for prez after this

Mr720fan

sad indeed 

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] This is a non-sequitur due to the XBox not having more RAM than the PS4. The XBone has less RAM available to games due to the OS layout as well.Shewgenja

yeah because most games will go over 5 gigs :lol: dude youve been owned, get off that shit payroll of sonys 

Lame attempts by you getting even lamer,  i am sure it hurts you that this will used more on the x1 than the ps4 being that it is built into 11.2, you we r e educated throughly by ron this thread and trying to save face,  dx < opengl deal with it cow and dont quit your day job :lol:

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

Cows are having a rough weak just look up and read shew all ober the place and trying so hard :lol:  ron for prez after this

Far_RockNYC

sad indeed 

Hard day again for cows and shew getting schooled by ron is delicious

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Lems are so desperate lately, what gives?

always_explicit

:lol: 

[QUOTE="always_explicit"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Lems are so desperate lately, what gives?

Mr720fan

:lol: 

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Ahh, the infamous, "We have absolutely nothing so let's dogpile" defense.  This thread has met its slash truly.

here is a good example of Xbox One's secret sauce in play, that powerful 1.1 teraflop GPU with CLOUD POWERRR 

Lemmings get self owned in EVERY thread and then start spamming and trolling right after :lol:

Microsoft has unveiled DirectX 11.2, an updated version of its existing graphics technology that introduces "a host of new features to improve performance" in games and graphics apps.

DirectX 11.2's headline feature is the addition of 'Tiled Resources', an advanced graphics technology that lets developers pull hi-res assets into a scene dynamically without overloading the graphics card. Essentially, the tech ensures that textures don't appear blurred or fuzzy when viewed close up.

Microsoft says that Tiled Resources will let developers "make games with unprecedented amounts of detail".

DirectX 11.2 also reduces latency for DirectX apps, allowing for "faster UI response".

The technology will be compatible with Xbox One and devices running Windows 8.1.

Microsoft has unveiled DirectX 11.2, an updated version of its existing graphics technology that introduces "a host of new features to improve performance" in games and graphics apps.

 

DirectX 11.2's headline feature is the addition of 'Tiled Resources', an advanced graphics technology that lets developers pull hi-res assets into a scene dynamically without overloading the graphics card. Essentially, the tech ensures that textures don't appear blurred or fuzzy when viewed close up.

 

Microsoft says that Tiled Resources will let developers "make games with unprecedented amounts of detail".

 

DirectX 11.2 also reduces latency for DirectX apps, allowing for "faster UI response".

 

The technology will be compatible with Xbox One and devices running Windows 8.1.

Mr720fan

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

 

 

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

 

 

ronvalencia

so in your estimation what kind of value if any does this have to microsoft and do you see SONY using this as well with OPEN GL?

With AMD PRT, you can overcommit your VRAM and still perform well i.e. this is dependant on texture visibility/recyclability and look ahead pre-fetch engine/processes. It's a puzzle to be solved.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gcn/Pages/gcn-architecture.aspx

PRT can utilize absolutely enormous texture files, up to 32 terabytes large, with minimal performance impact. PRT accomplishes this by streaming small bits of these massive textures into the GPU as needed, giving compatible games a virtually endless supply of unique texture data it can apply to the game world. The GCN Architecture in 28nm AMD Radeon products is the first GPU design to feature a hardware implementation of this technology. Partially Resident Textures (PRT) enables future games to utilize ultra-high resolution textures with the same performance as today's small and often repetitive textures.

PS; Blu-ray is not enough for 32 terabyte textures. Btw, AMD also gave hints (i.e. "future games") for going beyond DX11.1 with thier GCN presentations e.g. DX11.2

both consoles will be similar. devs said it, we saw it at e3. now plz rats and roaches stop the fighting. u idiots r giving me a headache

both consoles will be similar. devs said it, we saw it at e3. now plz rats and roaches stop the fighting. u idiots r giving me a headache

AD216

Solution: Wait and see

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Lems are so desperate lately, what gives?

Nengo_Flow

[QUOTE="AD216"]

both consoles will be similar. devs said it, we saw it at e3. now plz rats and roaches stop the fighting. u idiots r giving me a headache

Douevenlift_bro

Solution: Wait and see

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

so in your estimation what kind of value if any does this have to microsoft and do you see SONY using this as well with OPEN GL?

no-scope-AK47

With AMD PRT, you can overcommit your VRAM and still perform well i.e. this is dependant on texture visibility/recyclability and look ahead pre-fetch engine/processes. It's a puzzle to be solved.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gcn/Pages/gcn-architecture.aspx

PRT can utilize absolutely enormous texture files, up to 32 terabytes large, with minimal performance impact. PRT accomplishes this by streaming small bits of these massive textures into the GPU as needed, giving compatible games a virtually endless supply of unique texture data it can apply to the game world. The GCN Architecture in 28nm AMD Radeon products is the first GPU design to feature a hardware implementation of this technology. Partially Resident Textures (PRT) enables future games to utilize ultra-high resolution textures with the same performance as today's small and often repetitive textures.

PS; Blu-ray is not enough for 32 terabyte textures. Btw, AMD also gave hints (i.e. "future games") for going beyond DX11.1 with thier GCN presentations e.g. DX11.2

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

With AMD PRT, you can overcommit your VRAM and still perform well i.e. this is dependant on texture visibility/recyclability and look ahead pre-fetch engine/processes. It's a puzzle to be solved.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gcn/Pages/gcn-architecture.aspx

PRT can utilize absolutely enormous texture files, up to 32 terabytes large, with minimal performance impact. PRT accomplishes this by streaming small bits of these massive textures into the GPU as needed, giving compatible games a virtually endless supply of unique texture data it can apply to the game world. The GCN Architecture in 28nm AMD Radeon products is the first GPU design to feature a hardware implementation of this technology. Partially Resident Textures (PRT) enables future games to utilize ultra-high resolution textures with the same performance as today's small and often repetitive textures.

 

PS; Blu-ray is not enough for 32 terabyte textures. Btw, AMD also gave hints (i.e. "future games") for going beyond DX11.1 with thier GCN presentations e.g. DX11.2

 

 

 

 

UltimateviL

Microsoft has unveiled DirectX 11.2, an updated version of its existing graphics technology that introduces "a host of new features to improve performance" in games and graphics apps.

 

DirectX 11.2's headline feature is the addition of 'Tiled Resources', an advanced graphics technology that lets developers pull hi-res assets into a scene dynamically without overloading the graphics card. Essentially, the tech ensures that textures don't appear blurred or fuzzy when viewed close up.

 

Microsoft says that Tiled Resources will let developers "make games with unprecedented amounts of detail".

 

DirectX 11.2 also reduces latency for DirectX apps, allowing for "faster UI response".

 

The technology will be compatible with Xbox One and devices running Windows 8.1.

Mr720fan

[QUOTE="Far_RockNYC"]

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

Cows are having a rough weak just look up and read shew all ober the place and trying so hard :lol:  ron for prez after this

Mr720fan

sad indeed 

Hard day again for cows and shew getting schooled by ron is delicious

[QUOTE="AD216"]

both consoles will be similar. devs said it, we saw it at e3. now plz rats and roaches stop the fighting. u idiots r giving me a headache

Douevenlift_bro

Solution: Wait and see

And yes, there were some games that were - categorically, without a shadow of a doubt - running on Xbox One hardware. It'll come as little surprise to learn that first party software was more likely to be showcased running on the new console, with Turn 10's Forza Motorsport 5 the most high profile title we saw that was visibly operating on the actual unit.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/stereointegrity

AMD has it's own improvements. Refer to http://www.slideshare.net/zlatan4177/gpgpu-algorithms-in-games

And still 100$ cheaper Go home xbox, you're drunkvoicereason

Intet's low latency eDRAM (50 GB/s per direction) setup

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/3

Intel claims that it would take a 100 - 130GB/s GDDR memory interface to deliver similar effective performance to Crystalwell since the latter is a cache. Accessing the same data (e.g. texture reads) over and over again is greatly benefitted by having a large L4 cache on package.

[QUOTE="voicereason"] And still 100$ cheaper Go home xbox, you're drunkronvalencia

Intet's low latency eDRAM (50 GB/s per direction) setup

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/3

Intel claims that it would take a 100 - 130GB/s GDDR memory interface to deliver similar effective performance to Crystalwell since the latter is a cache. Accessing the same data (e.g. texture reads) over and over again is greatly benefitted by having a large L4 cache on package.

Microsoft has unveiled DirectX 11.2, an updated version of its existing graphics technology that introduces "a host of new features to improve performance" in games and graphics apps.

 

DirectX 11.2's headline feature is the addition of 'Tiled Resources', an advanced graphics technology that lets developers pull hi-res assets into a scene dynamically without overloading the graphics card. Essentially, the tech ensures that textures don't appear blurred or fuzzy when viewed close up.

 

Microsoft says that Tiled Resources will let developers "make games with unprecedented amounts of detail".

 

DirectX 11.2 also reduces latency for DirectX apps, allowing for "faster UI response".

 

The technology will be compatible with Xbox One and devices running Windows 8.1.

Mr720fan

"secret sauce" lol....NEWMAHAY

what type of secret sauce r we taking about.

This might be available on the PS4, but it's more important on the Xbox One. It'll allow developers to make more effeciant use of the RAM even though it has less bandwidth. I don't think it'll even be used on the PS4.