xbox one secret sauce could blow ps4 out.link inside

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="percech"] cuz that hideous touch pad clicker thing on the DS4 isn't a gimmick right? Btw, speaking of controllers...has anyone noticed how much sleeker the X1 controller looks compared to the DS4 and how much closer it is to the perfect gaming controller than the DS4?percech

Really because several sites have been saying the contrary...:lol:

But since you say it,it most be true...:lol:

Di xbx man dem a freak. Mi tun on mi console fi play game and wen mi chop it off den it don. Dash wey di gimmicks and bring out de game dem.

You nimrod, X1 is #1 on Amazon and Gamestop is no longer accepting preorders for the stand alone X1 SKU because it sold out in just days.percech

No is not is #1 on most sold single item,but is has 4 PS4 sku behind it..:lol: And the link i posted is updated every hour and show the best selling until now from january,in other words in the global top 100 the xbox one is 56 and the PS4 is 4th..:lol:

Hit the link  posted is fresh and new it is what is selling on gamestop,and yeah they have xbox one..:lol: 

Some one is on a big denial...:lol:

[QUOTE="percech"]You nimrod, X1 is #1 on Amazon and Gamestop is no longer accepting preorders for the stand alone X1 SKU because it sold out in just days.tormentos

No is not is #1 on most sold single item,but is has 4 PS4 sku behind it..:lol: And the link i posted is updated every hour and show the best selling until now from january,in other words in the global top 100 the xbox one is 56 and the PS4 is 4th..:lol:

Hit the link  posted is fresh and new it is what is selling on gamestop,and yeah they have xbox one..:lol: 

Some one is on a big denial...:lol:

xbox one :lol:

I'm starting to think the "secret sauce" the lemmings are referring to is the ass ointment that they'll using by the gallon-load once the Cloud doesn't turn out to be what they were hoping for.nervmeister

:lol:

[QUOTE="rell84"]

xbox one powered by cloud and secret sauce you lems are so lame :lol: stop the reaching nothing stoping sony no year head start no hardware advantage no price advantage no games advantage xbox one is weak lems love getting sh*ted started last generation off with no hdmi or wifi no bluray sony showed them the way :lol:

percech

ms should just push the xbox one back to 2014 so they can take notes from sony rush the 360 out with no hdmi or wifi nor bluray didnt even have the hd format they were going with hd dvd built in the 360 maybe that would have helped with games and sales something tells me ms was not ready to deliver the xbox one news yet thanks to sony :lol:

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="percech"]You nimrod, X1 is #1 on Amazon and Gamestop is no longer accepting preorders for the stand alone X1 SKU because it sold out in just days.percech

No is not is #1 on most sold single item,but is has 4 PS4 sku behind it..:lol: And the link i posted is updated every hour and show the best selling until now from january,in other words in the global top 100 the xbox one is 56 and the PS4 is 4th..:lol:

Hit the link  posted is fresh and new it is what is selling on gamestop,and yeah they have xbox one..:lol: 

Some one is on a big denial...:lol:

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2013/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]I'm starting to think the "secret sauce" the lemmings are referring to is the ass ointment that they'll using by the gallon-load once the Cloud doesn't turn out to be what they were hoping for.dream431ca

:lol:

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]I'm starting to think the "secret sauce" the lemmings are referring to is the ass ointment that they'll using by the gallon-load once the Cloud doesn't turn out to be what they were hoping for.no-scope-AK47

:lol:

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] and who is discussing that butthurt cow? i am just making fun of your virgin rage :cool: bu bu bu mr mod lock the thread :cry:Tessellation

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Oh look a brave cow trying to standup to the master race. LOL: - Gaikai - touchpad clickers - PS EYE - TV(discussed half the time in their E3 conference) - GDDR5percech

TV :lol: That's not TV. Did you even watch the conference? Downloadable TV shows and movies is not TV. :roll:

Gaikai wasn't shown and made no promises, unlike the CLOUD with TEH INFINITE POSSIBILITIEZZZZ. :lol:

PS EYE is not forced on the consumer, like Kinect. I'm starting to feel bad for your Lems.

Touchpad Clickers.....I can agree with you there.

GDDR5 is a gimmick??? So better hardware is a gimmick? If I go out right now and buy a better GFX card for my PC, that card is a gimmick? :lol:

The master race??? :roll: PC owns that title silly tool.

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

TV :lol: That's not TV. Did you even watch the conference? Downloadable TV shows and movies is not TV. :roll:

Gaikai wasn't shown and made no promises, unlike the CLOUD with TEH INFINITE POSSIBILITIEZZZZ. :lol:

PS EYE is not forced on the consumer, like Kinect. I'm starting to feel bad for your Lems.

Touchpad Clickers.....I can agree with you there.

GDDR5 is a gimmick??? So better hardware is a gimmick? If I go out right now and buy a better GFX card for my PC, that card is a gimmick? :lol:

The master race??? :roll: PC owns that title silly tool.

Infinite_Access

Say what you will but logic has little impact here. We all know the ps4 is stronger and has faster memory for less money. We know the ps4 has more exclusives and more new IP's. We know that Ms caught hell on the drm. We know that the ps4 comes with a head set and the x180 does not. WE know psn+ is 10 bucks cheaper and gives you great games to play for no extra cost with deals on games.

Sony has said that psn+ will have cross game party chat and custom sound tracks for games and video chat. The only thing I can guess is that the x180has a better game pad and a web cam. Now if everything was reversed lems would claim massive ownage but here all they talk about is da powah of the cloud.

PS4 has this sauce too on its stronger GPU.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/26/microsoft-reveals-how-tiled-resources-enables-detailed-graphics-on-xbox-one-and-windows-8-1/

granddogg

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

[QUOTE="percech"] Yeah I remember when teh Cell was better hardware too. LMAOtormentos

Well Cell was better than the Xenon..:lol:

Xbox One Day One, supah SecretP sauce included at no extra charge - got mah head in the Clouds in anticipation. :twisted:

You don't know what Stand alone means, do you? Where is it in your Gamestop link? Yup, nowhere cuz it's sold out. Also, it is #1 on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=sr_bs_1percech

Stand alone mean that every single PS4 bundle there is counted as a single item,which mean 4 PS4 Sku vs 1 xbox one.:lol:

I postd the link to the most sell of 2013 until now there is no way around it,the PS4 was 3rd the xbox one 6 on US and on UK the PS4 is 4 and the xbox one is 56..:lol:

And click on the link you idiot,that link for gamestop let you pre order so i don't know why you say is sold out it doesn't say that,in fact the launch edition PS4 was sold out..:lol:

Sorry MS PR guy MS is taking a huge beating...:lol:

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Yeah I remember when teh Cell was better hardware too. LMAOronvalencia

Well Cell was better than the Xenon..:lol:

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Yeah I remember when teh Cell was better hardware too. LMAOronvalencia

Well Cell was better than the Xenon..:lol:

As a CPU Cell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xenos,at least cell could run GPU taks,can the xenos run an OS.?

Only an idiot like you would compare Cell which is a CPU directly to a GPU..:lol:

Isn't the Cell a CPU, not a GPU? But regardless, yes the Xenos was the better GPU when pitted against PS3's.nervmeister

Trust Ron to make a stupid comparison like that,because he is butthurt about anything any one say about cell.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Well Cell was better than the Xenon..:lol:

nervmeister

[QUOTE="nervmeister"] Isn't the Cell a CPU, not a GPU? But regardless, yes the Xenos was the better GPU when pitted against PS3's.tormentos

Trust Ron to make a stupid comparison like that,because he is butthurt about anything any one say about cell.

Trust tormentos being stupid and says things that he doesn't understand. You failed computer science 101.

Should I repost IBM whilepaper stating SPUs are "DSP like" hardware?

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

Well Cell was better than the Xenon..:lol:

tormentos

As a CPU Cell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xenos,at least cell could run GPU taks,can the xenos run an OS.?

Only an idiot like you would compare Cell which is a CPU directly to a GPU..:lol:

Running an OS does not contribute to graphics processing. A full CPU has support for both supervisor and user modes. SPU only supports user modes.

Unix type OS needs both supervisor and user modes.

Note that Xbox 360 Slim has a fusion APU i.e. combined CPU and GpGPU.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cmpware1/

The eight SPUs (powerful DSP-like devicesthat contain four floating-point arithmetic and logic units (ALUs) operating in SIMD fashion) do the bulk of the computation in most Cell/B.E. applications. Because of their DSP-like architecture, the order of the instructions the SPUs execute can have a significant effect on performance

Guys like http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.html doesn't understand the requirements to run unix type OS.

In before Ronvalencia claims that this is xbox one exclusive..:lol:

tormentos

here is the links that pertain to dx 11.2 and how this is built in

DirectX 11.2 revealed #1

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

In before Ronvalencia claims that this is xbox one exclusive..:lol:

granddogg

OpenGL and AMD's PRT demo from http://developer.amd.com/samples/demos/pages/AMDRadeonHD7900SeriesGraphicsReal-TimeDemos.aspx

This technology preview, using OpenGL, demonstrates a way to implement Ptex (http://ptex.us/) in real time, making one of the latest film industry techniques practical for use in games. Ptex greatly simplifies the process of texture mapping and is already supported in a number of industry standard tools. Because Ptex also naturally eliminates seams, techniques such as vector displacement are easily enabled without need for manual seam fixup. Real-time Ptex per-primitive resolution control and the more efficient packing relative to traditional methods allow for higher quality textures, yet with very little computational overhead. Partially resident textures (PRT), accessible through an OpenGL extension, also allow for simpler Ptex addressing methods by enabling variable-sized slices in texture arrays, an addressing method which would otherwise be far too costly in memory usage.

DirectX 11.2 details from http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/bg182880.aspx

[QUOTE="granddogg"]

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/26/microsoft-reveals-how-tiled-resources-enables-detailed-graphics-on-xbox-one-and-windows-8-1/

ronvalencia

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

so in your estimation what kind of value if any does this have to microsoft and do you see SONY using this as well with OPEN GL?

By the way..

AMD has published a demo that presents this technique, the demo is written in OpenGL using an extension. No Direct3D support was announced yet, but I guess it will become a part of one of the next DX versions. The OpenGL extension used internally by AMD was announced, but it is not yet public.Shewgenja

http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures/

PRT was running on PS4 APIs before XBox ones.  J/S

Secret Sauce: Denied.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

By the way..

AMD has published a demo that presents this technique, the demo is written in OpenGL using an extension. No Direct3D support was announced yet, but I guess it will become a part of one of the next DX versions. The OpenGL extension used internally by AMD was announced, but it is not yet public.Shewgenja

http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures/

PRT was running on PS4 APIs before XBox ones. J/S

Secret Sauce: Denied.

we all know that OPENGL can do it, but its not built into the code directly like it is in dx 11.2 directly. So who knows if will ever be implemented in games for PS4, now on the other hand, you bet your bottom dollar this feature will be use for the xbox one platform. Once again the roach is stepped on, stop trying so hard to defend that garbage company SONY.

[QUOTE="granddogg"]

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/26/microsoft-reveals-how-tiled-resources-enables-detailed-graphics-on-xbox-one-and-windows-8-1/

ronvalencia

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

By the way..

AMD has published a demo that presents this technique, the demo is written in OpenGL using an extension. No Direct3D support was announced yet, but I guess it will become a part of one of the next DX versions. The OpenGL extension used internally by AMD was announced, but it is not yet public.Mr720fan

http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/partially-resident-textures/

PRT was running on PS4 APIs before XBox ones. J/S

Secret Sauce: Denied.

we all know that OPENGL can do it, but its not built into the code directly like it is in dx 11.2 directly. So who knows if will ever be implemented in games for PS4, now on the other hand, you bet your bottom dollar this feature will be use for the xbox one platform. Once again the roach is stepped on, stop trying so hard to defend that garbage company SONY.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="granddogg"]

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/26/microsoft-reveals-how-tiled-resources-enables-detailed-graphics-on-xbox-one-and-windows-8-1/

Shewgenja

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

trying way too hard :lol: gues it wont be good for the higher latency PS4 Gddr5 model. DEALWITHIT cow apologist.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] This thread gets /thread on first page, then goes on for three more pages. Lems, you are utterly hopeless.Shewgenja

we all know that OPENGL can do it, but its not built into the code directly like it is in dx 11.2 directly. So who knows if will ever be implemented in games for PS4, now on the other hand, you bet your bottom dollar this feature will be use for the xbox one platform. Once again the roach is stepped on, stop trying so hard to defend that garbage company SONY.

what doesnt your stupid cow head get? This will probably be used alot more on the xbox one platform than on the PS4. Do you even have a game now that used this technology? roach?

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

Mr720fan

trying way too hard :lol: gues it wont be good for the higher latency PS4 Gddr5 model. DEALWITHIT cow apologist.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

Mr720fan

trying way too hard :lol: gues it wont be good for the higher latency PS4 Gddr5 model. DEALWITHIT cow apologist.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] Except that to refresh the cache on that ESRam, you'd still have to run to main memory, which could be a detriment to overall performance. It might be better to stream textures, instead... That would mean only using part of the ESRAM as texture cache, though. That would be inefficient for other uses.ziggyww

trying way too hard :lol: gues it wont be good for the higher latency PS4 Gddr5 model. DEALWITHIT cow apologist.

so no answer :lol:

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="granddogg"]

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/26/microsoft-reveals-how-tiled-resources-enables-detailed-graphics-on-xbox-one-and-windows-8-1/

Shewgenja

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

AMD's PRT hardware combines tiled texture streaming and caching. X1's performance is dependant on texture recyclability and texture visibility.

PS4's setup is simpler.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] Except that to refresh the cache on that ESRam, you'd still have to run to main memory, which could be a detriment to overall performance. It might be better to stream textures, instead... That would mean only using part of the ESRAM as texture cache, though. That would be inefficient for other uses.Shewgenja

trying way too hard :lol: gues it wont be good for the higher latency PS4 Gddr5 model. DEALWITHIT cow apologist.

who says it would be 88 gb/s of data??? trying way too hard, in the demo which you probably were too butthurt to watch he said only 16mb was used, COW TRYING WAY TOO HARD :lol:

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

ronvalencia

educate the roach educate the roach :lol:

some roach education going on, love it, thank you ronnnnnnn!!!

[QUOTE="ziggyww"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

trying way too hard :lol: gues it wont be good for the higher latency PS4 Gddr5 model. DEALWITHIT cow apologist.

Mr720fan

so no answer :lol:

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Sounds like AMD GCN's Partially Resident Textures (PRT) hardware feature being exposed for DirectX. Microsoft haven't exposed AMD GCN's PRT for PC DirectX.

 

 

AMD's PRT hardware in GCN would work nicely on X1's ESRAM (very low latency, zero refresh overheads).

 

 

ronvalencia

It would seem to me that it would be far more practical to set aside this small amount of memory to a GPU that can fully address the system pool, instead.

And cows and lems keep fighting while sheep and herms laugh :roll:

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="ziggyww"] Yet another emoticon you seem to put in everyone of your replies...your not funny dude and the PS4 GDDR5 has a total faster transfer rate then that in the xbox one include the ESRam its thats going from the official tech. If your a fanboy fine but you can't rewrite the truth. ziggyww

so no answer :lol:

no answers for if this technology was ever used previously in games, all im saying is that having it built directly into DX 11.2 you will probably now see this being implemented far more on the x1 than on the ps4. I know ps4 can use this technology code whatever you wanna call it. to say it wont be used because of slow transfer rate is wishful roach thinking :lol: nice to see Microsoft giving the tools to the devs so easily.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"] Except that to refresh the cache on that ESRam, you'd still have to run to main memory, which could be a detriment to overall performance. It might be better to stream textures, instead... That would mean only using part of the ESRAM as texture cache, though. That would be inefficient for other uses. Shewgenja

you got owned dude, you are so anti microsoft its funny. The demo showed data of only 16mb not 16gb 16 mb, watch the demo stupid.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] Except that to refresh the cache on that ESRam, you'd still have to run to main memory, which could be a detriment to overall performance. It might be better to stream textures, instead... That would mean only using part of the ESRAM as texture cache, though. That would be inefficient for other uses.Shewgenja

trying way too hard :lol: gues it wont be good for the higher latency PS4 Gddr5 model. DEALWITHIT cow apologist.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx

While GDDR5 is faster, you have diminishing returns with GDDR5. With this in-mind, note why AMD included 384 bit GDDR5 in thier flagship GPUs i.e. AMD's attempt to overcome the diminishing returns with brute force.