Xbox One UI is clunky

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="casharmy"]How does that make up for the fact that MS lied about the entire demonstraion they were trying to sell people on as the real thing?  Guess it's all good unless sony does something like this then it will be a crime against humanity.

wonder how many more fake, smoke and mirror type demonstrations MS will put on at E3.  

casharmy

I hate faked pre-rendered BS from any company/develper trying to sell me on something that is not what they are actually going to deliver.  Now on hardware...that is much worse for MS to lie on than simply showing some pre-rendered footage.  Honestly I will bash that, but I can forgive it in the long run, but lying about and faking functionality for the actual unit to millions of people goes far beyond just showing some BS pre-rendered videos.

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576505

Damn shame

wolverine4262

[QUOTE="Sagemode87"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Now now navyguy, let the cows bask in their moment until E3 and the release of PS4 and One hit them in the face when they realize people are going to buy the new Xbox like hotcakes.

navyguy21

You're off your rocker if you think X1 has any chance of outselling PS4. Playstation not only has less going against it,  but it's a stronger brand name. 

I am thinking objectively here because I am not a hypocite like most of the guys here.  I don't bash a compnay for one thing then turn around and ignore it when another compnay does it because "oh I like them betterz so it's ok" type of sh!t.  

I hate faked pre-rendered BS from any company/develper trying to sell me on something that is not what they are actually going to deliver.  Now on hardware...that is much worse for MS to lie on than simply showing some pre-rendered footage.  Honestly I will bash that, but I can forgive it in the long run, but lying about and faking functionality for the actual unit to millions of people goes far beyond just showing some BS pre-rendered videos.

casharmy

Of course it's clunky, it's not even finished yet...

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Sagemode87"]

You're off your rocker if you think X1 has any chance of outselling PS4. Playstation not only has less going against it,  but it's a stronger brand name. 

santoron

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] Well, i guess the issue is all companies do it, especially those in hardware and software. You think every PS3 demo "played" at E3 is done so in real time? "The Wii?" Even PC games are staged. Games (and software) in development is extremely buggy, especially if it isnt in final opitimized form. You are naive to think otherwise. Now im not saying its ok for one to do it or another, but objectively speaking, it is the smart thing to do because investors watch software and hardware unveils. You think they want to invest in something that crashes during a show? Come on dude. Let go of the system wars mentality and think objectively.navyguy21

I hate faked pre-rendered BS from any company/develper trying to sell me on something that is not what they are actually going to deliver.  Now on hardware...that is much worse for MS to lie on than simply showing some pre-rendered footage.  Honestly I will bash that, but I can forgive it in the long run, but lying about and faking functionality for the actual unit to millions of people goes far beyond just showing some BS pre-rendered videos.

what did they lie about the PS3 other than a few pre-rendered videos?  What exactly did Sony "lie" about when they unveiled the PS3?

what did they lie about the PS3 other than a few pre-rendered videos?  What exactly did Sony "lie" about when they unveiled the PS3?

casharmy

Why do cows always set themselves up for ownage? You know its going to run buttery smooth at launch, so pipe down

:lol:

I'm not a fan of the xbox one but this whole video is stupid.  Your judging a console that is in it's beta form.  I would atleast like to see the finished product first

Really Code that isn't finale is clunky! :shock:

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="casharmy"]I am thinking objectively here because I am not a hypocite like most of the guys here.  I don't bash a compnay for one thing then turn around and ignore it when another compnay does it because "oh I like them betterz so it's ok" type of sh!t.  

I hate faked pre-rendered BS from any company/develper trying to sell me on something that is not what they are actually going to deliver.  Now on hardware...that is much worse for MS to lie on than simply showing some pre-rendered footage.  Honestly I will bash that, but I can forgive it in the long run, but lying about and faking functionality for the actual unit to millions of people goes far beyond just showing some BS pre-rendered videos.

casharmy

what did they lie about the PS3 other than a few pre-rendered videos?  What exactly did Sony "lie" about when they unveiled the PS3?

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

what did they lie about the PS3 other than a few pre-rendered videos?  What exactly did Sony "lie" about when they unveiled the PS3?

wolverine4262

HDMI, wifi, and 1080p were all fact and happended with PS3 out the box, hell even 360 has some 1080p games...

Try again

[QUOTE="santoron"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] You forget one important detail. The world as a whole doesnt work like System Wars. While gamers and the gaming industry is upset (for now), the world as a whole is excited. Just check major news and tech sites. Its getting coverage and hype for everything OTHER than gaming right now, so it has the casual appeal. It will sell beyond what we probably think it should sell. Games will come at E3, but dont let SW cloud your judgement.navyguy21

No you don't.  There was no mention of 120fps or 4D at the unveiling of PS3, that was an off hand comment by Ken Kutaragi and had references to the type of TVs that "could" help those things be possible.  

HDMI, wifi, and 1080p were all fact and happended with PS3 out the box, hell even 360 has some 1080p games...

Try again

casharmy

Looks really good for an early build, pity all those functions wont be supported worldwide.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] You dont think Sony lied about the PS3?navyguy21

what did they lie about the PS3 other than a few pre-rendered videos?  What exactly did Sony "lie" about when they unveiled the PS3?

Now you are talking about post history when this has nothing to do with that.  A lot of posters have a bad habbit of talking out of their ass and not backing up their BS with the proper sources.  Seems you are but another drop in the massive river or fail here on these boards....GOOD JOB!

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

what did they lie about the PS3 other than a few pre-rendered videos?  What exactly did Sony "lie" about when they unveiled the PS3?

casharmy

HDMI, wifi, and 1080p were all fact and happended with PS3 out the box, hell even 360 has some 1080p games...

Try again

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="santoron"] But we aren't a bunch of no nothing soccer moms or casuals. And your long tenure here says you aren't either. Why should anyone here care what people that don't bother to educate themselves think? How is that a point in favor of the XB1? When the more people know about your system, the less they like it, it starts sounding like a system for fools. santoron

Looks really good for an early build, pity all those functions wont be supported worldwide.

sailor232

[QUOTE="casharmy"]No you don't.  There was no mention of 120fps or 4D at the unveiling of PS3, that was an off hand comment by Ken Kutaragi and had references to the type of TVs that "could" help those things be possible.  

HDMI, wifi, and 1080p were all fact and happended with PS3 out the box, hell even 360 has some 1080p games...

Try again

wolverine4262

You might want to get up on your info becuse you are failing hard.

Please pull any of that stuff that you are suggesting was a lie and show me a link to something saying that is what Sony said the PS3 would do at the offical reveal.  pre-rumors don't count noodle brain.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

what did they lie about the PS3 other than a few pre-rendered videos?  What exactly did Sony "lie" about when they unveiled the PS3?

casharmy

Now you are talking about post history when this has nothing to do with that.  A lot of posters have a bad habbit of talking out of their ass and not backing up their BS with the proper sources.  Seems you are but another drop in the massive river or fail here on these boards....GOOD JOB!

Wrong again. Because ive seen you post on here hundreds of times, i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough. There would always be a reason for it to be "different", or "not the same", or "at least they didnt.....". I dont have time for that, so i didnt waste any. As a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?

Google "Sony's disappointment timeline" to get a few examples. Or "Sony arrogant". Sony is an evil corporation as much as the next company. PS4 is just a lesson learned. (which is good)

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]They said in the video that it was an early build....RR360DD

wonder how many more fake, smoke and mirror type demonstrations MS will put on at E3.  

The whole PS4 presentation was running on a PC:P

at least it was running

lol

How many months from release are we? :P

RR360DD

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"] I remember: built in router, dual hdmi out, 1080p 120 fps, and well, 4D....santoron

HDMI, wifi, and 1080p were all fact and happended with PS3 out the box, hell even 360 has some 1080p games...

Try again

:| WTF, when did sony promise those?  Link?  

The offical specs when sony debued at E3 WAS exactly what was in the console, you lost me with the promise jive non-sense.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576505

 

Damn shame

heeweesRus

They say on the presentation it was faked,so now they don't just fake Kinect games they also fake UI.

This woudl also confirm that they are late with everything how could this be,i think really loss direction after the xbox 360,they just did not know how to release another console after it.

[QUOTE="santoron"][QUOTE="casharmy"]No you don't.  There was no mention of 120fps or 4D at the unveiling of PS3, that was an off hand comment by Ken Kutaragi and had references to the type of TVs that "could" help those things be possible.  

HDMI, wifi, and 1080p were all fact and happended with PS3 out the box, hell even 360 has some 1080p games...

Try again

casharmy

:| WTF, when did sony promise those?  Link?  

The offical specs when sony debued at E3 WAS exactly what was in the console, you lost me with the promise jive non-sense.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Dude, if you have to ask, then you have clearly just ignored everything in front of you.....which is understandable giving your posting history....navyguy21

Now you are talking about post history when this has nothing to do with that.  A lot of posters have a bad habbit of talking out of their ass and not backing up their BS with the proper sources.  Seems you are but another drop in the massive river or fail here on these boards....GOOD JOB!

Wrong again. Because ive seen you post on here hundreds of times, i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough. There would always be a reason for it to be "different", or "not the same", or "at least they didnt.....". I dont have time for that, so i didnt waste any. As a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?

Google "Sony's disappointment timeline" to get a few examples. Or "Sony arrogant". Sony is an evil corporation as much as the next company. PS4 is just a lesson learned. (which is good)

YOU DIDN'T POST ANY FACTS.  

lol, 

also***

"s a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?"

Umm :roll: I don't know, because it's not 2006 anymore and MS is one doing this crap?

also***

:lol: @ you saying "sony arrogant'..."evil corporation"..."just as bad as MS'...wow.  that.."i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough." comment you made much better fits you but when someone else comes to you making a point because of that preconditioned irrational fanboy mindset you have.  chao'

I disagree. Casuals bought the Wii first............by the truckload. I agree with regards to the hardcore driving the gaming market, but the casuals up front can give you a huge boost. PS3 and 360 will never catch the Wii because of the casual. MS is going after that market and will succeed. How do i know? Because WiiU has failed. If the WiiU had succeeded, MS would be dead if they took this same approach. But the casuals have to go somewhere, and MS is catering to them. Sony is making the mistake Microsoft made with Xbox, and Microsoft is arrogant like Sony with the PS3. Crazy things....navyguy21

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]What the hell are you talking about.  Are you just going to spam half wit want to be smart ass replies or are you going to answer the question to which you are suggesting?

Now you are talking about post history when this has nothing to do with that.  A lot of posters have a bad habbit of talking out of their ass and not backing up their BS with the proper sources.  Seems you are but another drop in the massive river or fail here on these boards....GOOD JOB!

casharmy

Wrong again. Because ive seen you post on here hundreds of times, i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough. There would always be a reason for it to be "different", or "not the same", or "at least they didnt.....". I dont have time for that, so i didnt waste any. As a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?

Google "Sony's disappointment timeline" to get a few examples. Or "Sony arrogant". Sony is an evil corporation as much as the next company. PS4 is just a lesson learned. (which is good)

YOU DIDN'T POST ANY FACTS.  

lol, 

also***

"s a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?"

Umm :roll: I don't know, because it's not 2006 anymore and MS is one doing this crap?

also***

:lol: @ you saying "sony arrogant'..."evil corporation"..."just as bad as MS'...wow.  that.."i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough." comment you made much better fits you but when someone else comes to you making a point because of that preconditioned irrational fanboy mindset you have.  chao'

Wtf did you just say? :P

Oh, and its "Ciao"

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]What the hell are you talking about.  Are you just going to spam half wit want to be smart ass replies or are you going to answer the question to which you are suggesting?

Now you are talking about post history when this has nothing to do with that.  A lot of posters have a bad habbit of talking out of their ass and not backing up their BS with the proper sources.  Seems you are but another drop in the massive river or fail here on these boards....GOOD JOB!

casharmy

Wrong again. Because ive seen you post on here hundreds of times, i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough. There would always be a reason for it to be "different", or "not the same", or "at least they didnt.....". I dont have time for that, so i didnt waste any. As a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?

Google "Sony's disappointment timeline" to get a few examples. Or "Sony arrogant". Sony is an evil corporation as much as the next company. PS4 is just a lesson learned. (which is good)

YOU DIDN'T POST ANY FACTS.  

lol, 

also***

"s a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?"

Umm :roll: I don't know, because it's not 2006 anymore and MS is one doing this crap?

also***

:lol: @ you saying "sony arrogant'..."evil corporation"..."just as bad as MS'...wow.  that.."i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough." comment you made much better fits you but when someone else comes to you making a point because of that preconditioned irrational fanboy mindset you have.  chao'

If a salesman comes to your door and prmises you x and delivers something not quite up to scratch, the next time he comes knocking you're not a little bit suspicious? Most people would be naturally a little dubious rather than 'well I know he lied last time, but that was a few years ago now so why wouldn't I trust him?'

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]I disagree. Casuals bought the Wii first............by the truckload. I agree with regards to the hardcore driving the gaming market, but the casuals up front can give you a huge boost. PS3 and 360 will never catch the Wii because of the casual. MS is going after that market and will succeed. How do i know? Because WiiU has failed. If the WiiU had succeeded, MS would be dead if they took this same approach. But the casuals have to go somewhere, and MS is catering to them. Sony is making the mistake Microsoft made with Xbox, and Microsoft is arrogant like Sony with the PS3. Crazy things....santoron

Link for dual HDMI and built in router as part of initial specs

Name calling was unnecessary and unclassy, casharmy.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="santoron"] I don't remember if they said it at reveal, but dual hdmi and router capability were indeed among the early official specs for the PS3, and didn't make it into any models. Sony has had a bad habit of over promising and under delivering on hardware specs the last couple gens. It's one of the reasons I'm not even thinking of grabbing a new PS at launch. navyguy21

:| WTF, when did sony promise those?  Link?  

The offical specs when sony debued at E3 WAS exactly what was in the console, you lost me with the promise jive non-sense.

Didn't remember them actually saying that during the reveal but that was in 05, there was a massive change by the time of release in 06 so it was a scale back but that isn't really anything to bash Sony about because with those cuts....PS3 still cost $800+ to manufacture.  Acting like you are upset over those things when so many people bash PS3's reduced cost after those things were scaled down seems petty, that wan't a lie they just had to cut things for it to be affordable enough to even sale....

:lol: but video chat while gaming that was complete fail.

Not defending Sony on anything they have done, they were shooting too high and even made some fake pre-rendered videos...but why are you talking about  that now?  

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="santoron"] I don't remember if they said it at reveal, but dual hdmi and router capability were indeed among the early official specs for the PS3, and didn't make it into any models. Sony has had a bad habit of over promising and under delivering on hardware specs the last couple gens. It's one of the reasons I'm not even thinking of grabbing a new PS at launch. navyguy21

:| WTF, when did sony promise those?  Link?  

The offical specs when sony debued at E3 WAS exactly what was in the console, you lost me with the promise jive non-sense.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Wrong again. Because ive seen you post on here hundreds of times, i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough. There would always be a reason for it to be "different", or "not the same", or "at least they didnt.....". I dont have time for that, so i didnt waste any. As a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?

Google "Sony's disappointment timeline" to get a few examples. Or "Sony arrogant". Sony is an evil corporation as much as the next company. PS4 is just a lesson learned. (which is good)

poptart

YOU DIDN'T POST ANY FACTS.  

lol, 

also***

"s a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?"

Umm :roll: I don't know, because it's not 2006 anymore and MS is one doing this crap?

also***

:lol: @ you saying "sony arrogant'..."evil corporation"..."just as bad as MS'...wow.  that.."i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough." comment you made much better fits you but when someone else comes to you making a point because of that preconditioned irrational fanboy mindset you have.  chao'

If a salesman comes to your door and prmises you x and delivers something not quite up to scratch, the next time he comes knocking you're not a little bit suspicious? Most people would be naturally a little dubious rather than 'well I know he lied last time, but that was a few years ago now so why wouldn't I trust him?'

So...where are the one's for Sony with PS4? 

You don't think MS lied about xbox360 as well?  Do I need to pull those Major Neilson graphics up?  No, I am talking about the here and now, yaknow 2013.

I feared that it was all staged and the actual console wouldn't work that well. More bad news for the Bone it seems 

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

:| WTF, when did sony promise those?  Link?  

The offical specs when sony debued at E3 WAS exactly what was in the console, you lost me with the promise jive non-sense.

casharmy

Didn't remember them actually saying that during the reveal but that was in 05, there was a massive change by the time of release in 06 so it was a scale back but that isn't really anything to bash Sony about because with those cuts....PS3 still cost $800+ to manufacture.  Acting like you are upset over those things when so many people bash PS3's reduced cost after those things were scaled down seems petty, that wan't a lie they just had to cut things for it to be affordable enough to even sale....

:lol: but video chat while gaming that was complete fail.

Not defending Sony on anything they have done, they were shooting too high and even made some fake pre-rendered videos...but why are you talking about  that now?  

Hi I'm MS. Buy my TV box and pay me for TV service, pay me to play online, and pay me so you can play used games. Oh ya, I'll need you to always have an online connection and have your Kinect on so I can spy on what you're always doing so I can advertise to you what I know you'll like so you'll give me more money and buy all my crap. :roll:

I agree with everything you said, but i will add this. The Xbox One does provide something new (to casuals). For example, even tho voice controls and all in one boxes have existed before.......and smart tvs even have voice controls now...........the mass market is still ignorant. For example, i have seen old ladies asking about the Xbox. It is surprising..........and scary. Scary because i fear the XB One will fall into the same category as the will and wont sell as much software (compared to install base). PS3 went through the same initially when people bought it as a blu ray player. MS has the power that Apple so often does with the Iphone, and that is they can convince the masses who dont know any better that they NEED this thing. Im not saying it is a good thing, just that the thing will sell well because of casuals. Those things dont appeal to me though, my purchase of a One (sounds so stupid doesnt it?) hinges on what MS shows at E3. No core exlusive new IPs, no buy. Im already sold on PS4navyguy21

Ehhh, that's certainly MS's hope.  But I don't think that's going to work out that way.  SmartTVs aren't selling poorly because nobody knows they exist, but that the fuctions they provide for a premium price aren't very sought after, with voice/gesture control headlining the list.  The Wii sucked casuals in with something new and (at least in theory) better than they had ever had before.  They didn't need to learn some complicated control scheme, they just swung it around and they were bowling/golfing/playing tennis!  It gave then gaming at a level they were willing to commit to, if only for a short time before they grew bored.

Voice/Gesture TV controls add no additional functionality, and are actually harder to use than the system they replace - the trusty old remote.  You mentioned Apple, look at Siri!   Sure, it was a hyped function when first revealed a couple years ago, until the general public got it.  Then we got lawsuits from people whose dialect didn't work well with it, loads of people frustrated with it's limited scope, and a whole lot of ticked off people tired of having to listen to people try to have conversations with their phone.  Two years later?  No one cares about voice assistants anymore, and save for a couple of functions or situations, they've found they old ways of doing things are faster, and more reliable.  Even comparing voice capabilities between new models and brands has gone completely by the wayside, when it was a weekly feature in tech rags two years ago.  

Now the XB1 started development four years ago, so maybe they thought this would play out better, but most people now have had direct experience with voice controls, and aren't impressed or seeking out more.  While you could see where the Wii was starting to (kinda) fulfill the dream of virtual reality gaming, the XB1's TV's controls aren't fulfilling any dream, because few people ever thought they wanted to talk or wave to the TV to begin with.  Especially when we're talking casuals, they just want the TV to work, the first time, with minimal hassle. XB1 does (in theory) simplify some searching fuctions, but everyone has already learned their remote.  To buy in for that reason, they'd have to be willing to commit several hundred dollars for a better remote control... one that experience with their phone will tell them likely won't be as reliable as they have from their free remote.  Talk about buyer's remorse...

And to rub salt in the wound, they miss out on the other end of the spectrum - the young, tech engaged type because that demographic is increasingly dumping cable altogether.  These TV unifying fuctions mean little to people who aren't investing into the traditional TV system anyway.  

OK, that was OT and is gonna get tl;dr'ed to death.  But that my $.02.

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]Dude when you started talking about my posting history instead of answering the question I knew you were retreating into fanboy mode.  You has already lost any type of objective argument after that point.  Why are you still even talking. 

YOU DIDN'T POST ANY FACTS.  

lol, 

also***

"s a few other posters have said, Sony has done tons of things just as bad as MS, yet you only post about MS. Why is that?"

Umm :roll: I don't know, because it's not 2006 anymore and MS is one doing this crap?

also***

:lol: @ you saying "sony arrogant'..."evil corporation"..."just as bad as MS'...wow.  that.."i know that nothing i say, no facts i post, or arguments i may come up with would be enough." comment you made much better fits you but when someone else comes to you making a point because of that preconditioned irrational fanboy mindset you have.  chao'

casharmy

If a salesman comes to your door and prmises you x and delivers something not quite up to scratch, the next time he comes knocking you're not a little bit suspicious? Most people would be naturally a little dubious rather than 'well I know he lied last time, but that was a few years ago now so why wouldn't I trust him?'

So...where are the one's for Sony with PS4? 

You don't think MS lied about xbox360 as well?  Do I need to pull those Major Neilson graphics up?  No, I am talking about the here and now, yaknow 2013.

All I'm pointing out is better to wait and see rather than taking things at face value, which applies both to MS and Sony. I'd rather take things with a pinch of salt until I see either in action. The sensible approach y'know...

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] I agree with everything you said, but i will add this. The Xbox One does provide something new (to casuals). For example, even tho voice controls and all in one boxes have existed before.......and smart tvs even have voice controls now...........the mass market is still ignorant. For example, i have seen old ladies asking about the Xbox. It is surprising..........and scary. Scary because i fear the XB One will fall into the same category as the will and wont sell as much software (compared to install base). PS3 went through the same initially when people bought it as a blu ray player. MS has the power that Apple so often does with the Iphone, and that is they can convince the masses who dont know any better that they NEED this thing. Im not saying it is a good thing, just that the thing will sell well because of casuals. Those things dont appeal to me though, my purchase of a One (sounds so stupid doesnt it?) hinges on what MS shows at E3. No core exlusive new IPs, no buy. Im already sold on PS4santoron

Ehhh, that's certainly MS's hope.  But I don't think that's going to work out that way.  SmartTVs aren't selling poorly because nobody knows they exist, but that the fuctions they provide for a premium price aren't very sought after, with voice/gesture control headlining the list.  The Wii sucked casuals in with something new and (at least in theory) better than they had ever had before.  They didn't need to learn some complicated control scheme, they just swung it around and they were bowling/golfing/playing tennis!  It gave then gaming at a level they were willing to commit to, if only for a short time before they grew bored.

Voice/Gesture TV controls add no additional functionality, and are actually harder to use than the system they replace - the trusty old remote.  You mentioned Apple, look at Siri!   Sure, it was a hyped function when first revealed a couple years ago, until the general public got it.  Then we got lawsuits from people whose dialect didn't work well with it, loads of people frustrated with it's limited scope, and a whole lot of ticked off people tired of having to listen to people try to have conversations with their phone.  Two years later?  No one cares about voice assistants anymore, and save for a couple of functions or situations, they've found they old ways of doing things are faster, and more reliable.  Even comparing voice capabilities between new models and brands has gone completely by the wayside, when it was a weekly feature in tech rags two years ago.  

Now the XB1 started development four years ago, so maybe they thought this would play out better, but most people now have had direct experience with voice controls, and aren't impressed or seeking out more.  While you could see where the Wii was starting to (kinda) fulfill the dream of virtual reality gaming, the XB1's TV's controls aren't fulfilling any dream, because few people ever thought they wanted to talk or wave to the TV to begin with.  Especially when we're talking casuals, they just want the TV to work, the first time, with minimal hassle. XB1 does (in theory) simplify some searching fuctions, but everyone has already learned their remote.  To buy in for that reason, they'd have to be willing to commit several hundred dollars for a better remote control... one that experience with their phone will tell them likely won't be as reliable as they have from their free remote.  Talk about buyer's remorse...

And to rub salt in the wound, they miss out on the other end of the spectrum - the young, tech engaged type because that demographic is increasingly dumping cable altogether.  These TV unifying fuctions mean little to people who aren't investing into the traditional TV system anyway.  

OK, that was OT and is gonna get tl;dr'ed to death.  But that my $.02.

Yea, i stopped paying for cable ages ago. Just use 360 and PS3 for all my TV streaming needs :Pnavyguy21

It's been almost a full year for me too.  Honestly, I don't know why I waited as long as I did.