@Antwan3K: Oh you... I will be ready tomorrow at some point, locked and loaded for yet another exchange. "Actions speak louder than words". That's funny coming from the guy with the Xbox and Windows sig.
@Antwan3K: Oh you... I will be ready tomorrow at some point, locked and loaded for yet another exchange. "Actions speak louder than words". That's funny coming from the guy with the Xbox and Windows sig.
i'm clearly an Xbox fan and I game on both an Xbox console and a Windows 10 PC.. that's the exact definition of my actions speaking louder than my words.. not only that, and more importantly, that's my actions being in line with my words..
Yeah, claiming that the XboneX has the power of GTX1070 because some shitty dev, who could not optimize their game if their life depended on it, said so, sure sounds like grasping at straws. The other obvious thing, even the 4K60 games will not be running anywhere near the max settings that the games on PCs are benchmarked at.
please name these people you were fighting with that were saying "The majority of titles will be 4K/60"..
ok, that's one person.. you indicated "people" which is a plural term.. anyone else?..
beyond that, was that statement by @kuu2 a one-time comment or a prolonged argument/stance?.. there's a gulf of difference between a knee-jerk statement born from exciting news and an argument that was stated over and over again and defended repeatedly..
You were also defending the same absurd stance not long ago. That's why lemmings should learn not to fall for the hype so easily. They make ridiculous statements for months and then fall flat because they refused to think rationally.
The absurd stance is your bullshit with a single 4K game for X1X claim when PS4 Pro's Skyrim SE is already native 4K. There are native 4K multi-platform games for PS4 Pro and you're arguing X1X having a single 4K game argument which implies X1X is weaker than PS4 Pro?
Yeah, claiming that the XboneX has the power of GTX1070 because some shitty dev, who could not optimize their game if their life depended on it, said so, sure sounds like grasping at straws. The other obvious thing, even the 4K60 games will not be running anywhere near the max settings that the games on PCs are benchmarked at.
The gap between GTX 1070 and RX-580/R9-390X is not large.
X1X's RBE with 2MB render cache equalized with CU/TMU's 2MB L2 cache, hence making many workloads with Pixel Engine (Pixel shader/ROPS) path similar to any AMD optimized path with compute shader/TMU path.
@Antwan3K: And I game on and build PCs, game on Xbox consoles, PlayStation consoles and handhelds, Nintendo consoles and handhelds and mobile. I currently own over 25 consoles. I'm what you could call a gaming and tech enthusiast. I've worked in the Tech field since 2007. Aka the definition of actions speaking louder than words...
ok, that's one person.. you indicated "people" which is a plural term.. anyone else?..
beyond that, was that statement by @kuu2 a one-time comment or a prolonged argument/stance?.. there's a gulf of difference between a knee-jerk statement born from exciting news and an argument that was stated over and over again and defended repeatedly..
You were also defending the same absurd stance not long ago. That's why lemmings should learn not to fall for the hype so easily. They make ridiculous statements for months and then fall flat because they refused to think rationally.
The absurd stance is your bullshit with a single 4K game for X1X claim when PS4 Pro's Skyrim SE is already native 4K. There are native 4K multi-platform games for PS4 Pro and you're arguing X1X having a single 4K game argument which implies X1X is weaker than PS4 Pro?
Please dumbvalencia, with your english you're barely capable of debating 5 year olds, much less understand debates where big words like "confirmed" are used. Your mind is simply not able to process complex sentences.
Yeah, claiming that the XboneX has the power of GTX1070 because some shitty dev, who could not optimize their game if their life depended on it, said so, sure sounds like grasping at straws. The other obvious thing, even the 4K60 games will not be running anywhere near the max settings that the games on PCs are benchmarked at.
ok, that's one person.. you indicated "people" which is a plural term.. anyone else?..
beyond that, was that statement by @kuu2 a one-time comment or a prolonged argument/stance?.. there's a gulf of difference between a knee-jerk statement born from exciting news and an argument that was stated over and over again and defended repeatedly..
You were also defending the same absurd stance not long ago. That's why lemmings should learn not to fall for the hype so easily. They make ridiculous statements for months and then fall flat because they refused to think rationally.
The absurd stance is your bullshit with a single 4K game for X1X claim when PS4 Pro's Skyrim SE is already native 4K. There are native 4K multi-platform games for PS4 Pro and you're arguing X1X having a single 4K game argument which implies X1X is weaker than PS4 Pro?
Please dumbvalencia, with your english you're barely capable of debating 5 year olds, much less understand debates where big words like "confirmed" are used. Your mind is simply not able to process complex sentences.
Yeah, claiming that the XboneX has the power of GTX1070 because some shitty dev, who could not optimize their game if their life depended on it, said so, sure sounds like grasping at straws. The other obvious thing, even the 4K60 games will not be running anywhere near the max settings that the games on PCs are benchmarked at.
The gap between GTX 1070 and RX-580/R9-390X is not large.
X1X's RBE with 2MB render cache equalized with CU/TMU's 2MB L2 cache, hence making many workloads with Pixel Engine (Pixel shader/ROPS) path similar to any AMD optimized path with compute shader/TMU path.
Lol another moving goalpost from wrongvalencia. You went from GTX 1080 to RX-580 and now trying to damage control that it is similar to GTX 1070. Can you don't be a hypocrite for once and accept you were wrong?
@Antwan3K: And I game on and build PCs, game on Xbox consoles, PlayStation consoles and handhelds, Nintendo consoles and handhelds and mobile. I currently own over 25 consoles. I'm what you could call a gaming and tech enthusiast. I've worked in the Tech field since 2007. Aka the definition of actions speaking louder than words...
so?.. does that somehow mean you can't be biased?.. does that mean you can't make incorrect predictions about an upcoming console's capabilities?..
the fact of the matter remains: You made incorrect predictions about the capabilities of the Xbox One X and now you are making biased comments/posts in order to damage control those incorrect predictions..
I've owned and enjoyed every PlayStation console created other than the PS4 and was considered a hardcore cow on these forums in the PS2 and PS3 era.. before that I was the most hardcore Nintendo fan you could find in the NES and SNES days.. but that doesn't change the fact that i'm clearly a bigger Xbox fan today than anything else.. my actions on these forums outweigh my claims of owning those other consoles.. just like how your actions on these forums in the wake of the Project Scorpio announcement outweigh your console collection, your PC, your job resume, and your Xbox One X receipt..
Yeah, claiming that the XboneX has the power of GTX1070 because some shitty dev, who could not optimize their game if their life depended on it, said so, sure sounds like grasping at straws. The other obvious thing, even the 4K60 games will not be running anywhere near the max settings that the games on PCs are benchmarked at.
The gap between GTX 1070 and RX-580/R9-390X is not large.
X1X's RBE with 2MB render cache equalized with CU/TMU's 2MB L2 cache, hence making many workloads with Pixel Engine (Pixel shader/ROPS) path similar to any AMD optimized path with compute shader/TMU path.
Lol another moving goalpost from wrongvalencia. You went from GTX 1080 to RX-580 and now trying to damage control that it is similar to GTX 1070. Can you don't be a hypocrite for once and accept you were wrong?
Your lies by omission on ronvalencia's past comments is SPAM.
Yeah, claiming that the XboneX has the power of GTX1070 because some shitty dev, who could not optimize their game if their life depended on it, said so, sure sounds like grasping at straws. The other obvious thing, even the 4K60 games will not be running anywhere near the max settings that the games on PCs are benchmarked at.
The gap between GTX 1070 and RX-580/R9-390X is not large.
X1X's RBE with 2MB render cache equalized with CU/TMU's 2MB L2 cache, hence making many workloads with Pixel Engine (Pixel shader/ROPS) path similar to any AMD optimized path with compute shader/TMU path.
Seeing as you like techpowerup charts let me use one myself......
This is what the performance gap actually looks like when you don't cherry pick games to suit you moronic fan boy brain.
You think a ~40% advantage over a RX480 is not large??
You think a ~30% advantage over an OVERCLOCKED RX580 is not large?
Yeah, claiming that the XboneX has the power of GTX1070 because some shitty dev, who could not optimize their game if their life depended on it, said so, sure sounds like grasping at straws. The other obvious thing, even the 4K60 games will not be running anywhere near the max settings that the games on PCs are benchmarked at.
The gap between GTX 1070 and RX-580/R9-390X is not large.
X1X's RBE with 2MB render cache equalized with CU/TMU's 2MB L2 cache, hence making many workloads with Pixel Engine (Pixel shader/ROPS) path similar to any AMD optimized path with compute shader/TMU path.
Seeing as you like techpowerup charts let me use one myself......
This is what the performance gap actually looks like when you don't cherry pick games to suit you moronic fan boy brain.
You think a ~40% advantage over a RX480 is not large??
You think a ~30% advantage over an OVERCLOCKED RX580 is not large?
Stop cherry picking game results noob.....
My arguments wasn't specifically made with just RX-480. LOL
The difference between RX-580 and GTX 1070 is 22 points.
The difference between RX-580 and GTX 980 Ti is 12 points.
Have you realize R9-390 has 5.1 TFLOPS while RX-580 OC has excess 6 TFLOPS range?
Have you realized RX-480 is memory bandwidth bottlenecked?
Have you realized RX-480's RBE doesn't have X1X GPU's 2MB render cache?
Your benchmarks include cases that AMD GPUs has problems with RBE path with tiny cache while NVIDIA GPUs has luxury of larger cache with their RBEs.
There's NO PC AMD GPU that combined R9-390X with Polaris improvements, let alone X1X's additional RBE improvements over Polaris.
X1X has a GPU slower than VEGA 56 but faster than RX-580 and R9-390X.
@ronvalencia: you could also say "if the moon is made of cheese I would travel there and eat it" and it would also be semantically correct but also just as moronic as what you wrote.
Hahahaha the PinkClown gets trashed again...lololol. Again, he needs to think before he writes. Starts jumping on the hate so quickly before the thing is even out yet...loser indeed :)
@ryu_silveira: And again, you both need to learn to read you hypocrites.
Your arguments with X1X having a single 4K game is bullshit when PS4 Pro already has 4K native multi-platforms games. Your time wasting bullshit was proven wrong.
@ryu_silveira: And again, you both need to learn to read you hypocrites.
Your arguments with X1X having a single 4K game is bullshit when PS4 Pro already has 4K native multi-platforms games. Your time wasting bullshit was proven wrong.
It's not my problem that you two seem to find the word confirmed too hard to process. Don't blame me for your own cognitive deficiencies.
please name these people you were fighting with that were saying "The majority of titles will be 4K/60"..
ok, that's one person.. you indicated "people" which is a plural term.. anyone else?..
beyond that, was that statement by @kuu2 a one-time comment or a prolonged argument/stance?.. there's a gulf of difference between a knee-jerk statement born from exciting news and an argument that was stated over and over again and defended repeatedly..
You were also defending the same absurd stance not long ago. That's why lemmings should learn not to fall for the hype so easily. They make ridiculous statements for months and then fall flat because they refused to think rationally.
Hahaha you also think he reminds you of Dakur too...I mentioned it to this clown like a week back...lmfao. Dude lives and breathes on here as if he has nothing else better to do...lmfao
@ryu_silveira: And again, you both need to learn to read you hypocrites.
Your arguments with X1X having a single 4K game is bullshit when PS4 Pro already has 4K native multi-platforms games. Your time wasting bullshit was proven wrong.
It's not my problem that you two seem to find the word confirmed too hard to process. Don't blame me for your own cognitive deficiencies.
Your confirm argument is a load of bullshit when there's dev statements who confirmed native 4K resolution, X1X 4K video's existence and DF couldn't find non-2160p from X1X's Assassin's Creed Origins.
@ryu_silveira: And again, you both need to learn to read you hypocrites.
Your arguments with X1X having a single 4K game is bullshit when PS4 Pro already has 4K native multi-platforms games. Your time wasting bullshit was proven wrong.
It's not my problem that you two seem to find the word confirmed too hard to process. Don't blame me for your own cognitive deficiencies.
Your confirm argument is a load of bullshit when there's dev statements who confirmed native 4K resolution, X1X 4K video's existence and DF couldn't find non-2160p from X1X's Assassin's Creed Origins.
At the time Forza was the only game confirmed by a third party to be running at native 4k and that's what I meant. Since your english is equivalent to that of a 5 year old kid I'm not surprised you don't understand the difference between a dev stating that they're aiming to produce 4k native resolution or that they achieved 4k native resolution on testing phases. Both of those scenarios are far away from confirming that the game is going to be native 4k in its final form. Other devs also said their games were running on native 4k like F1 2017 but then they decided to lower resolution to focus more resources on performance. That's the difference between you and me dumbot, you can't differentiate conditional clauses from factual statements because your english is too basic so you dumb down everything you read to your level and interpret it in your own unrealistic dumb way.
Your arguments with X1X having a single 4K game is bullshit when PS4 Pro already has 4K native multi-platforms games. Your time wasting bullshit was proven wrong.
It's not my problem that you two seem to find the word confirmed too hard to process. Don't blame me for your own cognitive deficiencies.
Your confirm argument is a load of bullshit when there's dev statements who confirmed native 4K resolution, X1X 4K video's existence and DF couldn't find non-2160p from X1X's Assassin's Creed Origins.
At the time Forza was the only game confirmed by a third party to be running at native 4k and that's what I meant. Since your english is equivalent to that of a 5 year old kid I'm not surprised you don't understand the difference between a dev stating that they're aiming to produce 4k native resolution or that they achieved 4k native resolution on testing phases. Both of those scenarios are far away from confirming that the game is going to be native 4k in its final form. Other devs also said their games were running on native 4k like F1 2017 but then they decided to lower resolution to focus more resources on performance. That's the difference between you and me dumbot, you can't differentiate conditional clauses from factual statements because your english is too basic so you dumb down everything you read to your level and interpret it in your own unrealistic dumb way.
I know your argument is only about DF's confirmation for Forza's 4K which is flawed when DF's confirmation method is also by pixel count (diagonal line method) from a video feed, dev's 4K claim and sometimes with PC SKU relative comparison e.g. R7-265 vs PS4.
1. You can't follow DF's DIY pixel count methods (diagonal line method) youtube video for another X1X 4K video feed.
2. You refused DF's couldn't find non-2160p from X1X's Assassin's Creed claims. Dynamic resolution didn't engage for their video feed.
3. There's PS4 Pro 4K native multi-platform games or unless you're claiming X1X is inferior to PS4 Pro.
4. Dev statement confirmation for 4K. F1 2017 is 4K boarderline since F1 2016's GPUs below GTX 1080 SKU also failed 4K 60 fps. My posted F1 2016 benchmarks shows it. I use R9-390X to double check dev's claimed 4K and it depends on dev's strict 30 fps/60 fps requirements.
Redout 4K 60 fps max details is feasible for R9-390X i.e. it doesn't need X1X's improvements to reach dev claimed 4K 60 fps.
My Scorpio's speculative posts are within the specified speculative topics and includes builtin conditionals and doubts. I repeatedly argued effective memory bandwidth that can gimp performance.
Your single 4K X1X game confirmation argument is a big waste of time to support your PS4 Pro team which is ultimately proven wrong while my core arguments still shows X1X being superior to RX-480 OC(aka RX-580) and R9-390X still stands.
Yeah, claiming that the XboneX has the power of GTX1070 because some shitty dev, who could not optimize their game if their life depended on it, said so, sure sounds like grasping at straws. The other obvious thing, even the 4K60 games will not be running anywhere near the max settings that the games on PCs are benchmarked at.
The gap between GTX 1070 and RX-580/R9-390X is not large.
X1X's RBE with 2MB render cache equalized with CU/TMU's 2MB L2 cache, hence making many workloads with Pixel Engine (Pixel shader/ROPS) path similar to any AMD optimized path with compute shader/TMU path.
Seeing as you like techpowerup charts let me use one myself......
This is what the performance gap actually looks like when you don't cherry pick games to suit you moronic fan boy brain.
You think a ~40% advantage over a RX480 is not large??
You think a ~30% advantage over an OVERCLOCKED RX580 is not large?
Stop cherry picking game results noob.....
My arguments wasn't specifically made with just RX-480. LOL
The difference between RX-580 and GTX 1070 is 22 points.
The difference between RX-580 and GTX 980 Ti is 12 points.
Have you realize R9-390 has 5.1 TFLOPS while RX-580 OC has excess 6 TFLOPS range?
Have you realized RX-480 is memory bandwidth bottlenecked?
Have you realized RX-480's RBE doesn't have X1X GPU's 2MB render cache?
Your benchmarks include cases that AMD GPUs has problems with RBE path with tiny cache while NVIDIA GPUs has luxury of larger cache with their RBEs.
There's NO PC AMD GPU that combined R9-390X with Polaris improvements, let alone X1X's additional RBE improvements over Polaris.
X1X has a GPU slower than VEGA 56 but faster than RX-580 and R9-390X.
And yet it lacks RPM like Pro has..... And less bandwidth then PC GPU's.... Lmao....
What was the actual 'real world' bandwidth X has again from your other thread? 285Gb.... AHAHAHAHAHAHA....
Yeah, claiming that the XboneX has the power of GTX1070 because some shitty dev, who could not optimize their game if their life depended on it, said so, sure sounds like grasping at straws. The other obvious thing, even the 4K60 games will not be running anywhere near the max settings that the games on PCs are benchmarked at.
The gap between GTX 1070 and RX-580/R9-390X is not large.
X1X's RBE with 2MB render cache equalized with CU/TMU's 2MB L2 cache, hence making many workloads with Pixel Engine (Pixel shader/ROPS) path similar to any AMD optimized path with compute shader/TMU path.
Seeing as you like techpowerup charts let me use one myself......
This is what the performance gap actually looks like when you don't cherry pick games to suit you moronic fan boy brain.
You think a ~40% advantage over a RX480 is not large??
You think a ~30% advantage over an OVERCLOCKED RX580 is not large?
Stop cherry picking game results noob.....
My arguments wasn't specifically made with just RX-480. LOL
The difference between RX-580 and GTX 1070 is 22 points.
The difference between RX-580 and GTX 980 Ti is 12 points.
Have you realize R9-390 has 5.1 TFLOPS while RX-580 OC has excess 6 TFLOPS range?
Have you realized RX-480 is memory bandwidth bottlenecked?
Have you realized RX-480's RBE doesn't have X1X GPU's 2MB render cache?
Your benchmarks include cases that AMD GPUs has problems with RBE path with tiny cache while NVIDIA GPUs has luxury of larger cache with their RBEs.
There's NO PC AMD GPU that combined R9-390X with Polaris improvements, let alone X1X's additional RBE improvements over Polaris.
X1X has a GPU slower than VEGA 56 but faster than RX-580 and R9-390X.
And yet it lacks RPM like Pro has..... And less bandwidth then PC GPU's.... Lmao....
What was the actual 'real world' bandwidth X has again from your other thread? 285Gb.... AHAHAHAHAHAHA....
326Gb = Theoretical
285 Gb = Real world
Aahahahahahahaha...
Do You realize that every card and console gives there Theoretical numbers but their real world numbers are all lower?
The same is true with the PS4 Pro, AMD Cards and NVidia Cards.
The gap between GTX 1070 and RX-580/R9-390X is not large.
X1X's RBE with 2MB render cache equalized with CU/TMU's 2MB L2 cache, hence making many workloads with Pixel Engine (Pixel shader/ROPS) path similar to any AMD optimized path with compute shader/TMU path.
Seeing as you like techpowerup charts let me use one myself......
This is what the performance gap actually looks like when you don't cherry pick games to suit you moronic fan boy brain.
You think a ~40% advantage over a RX480 is not large??
You think a ~30% advantage over an OVERCLOCKED RX580 is not large?
Stop cherry picking game results noob.....
My arguments wasn't specifically made with just RX-480. LOL
The difference between RX-580 and GTX 1070 is 22 points.
The difference between RX-580 and GTX 980 Ti is 12 points.
Have you realize R9-390 has 5.1 TFLOPS while RX-580 OC has excess 6 TFLOPS range?
Have you realized RX-480 is memory bandwidth bottlenecked?
Have you realized RX-480's RBE doesn't have X1X GPU's 2MB render cache?
Your benchmarks include cases that AMD GPUs has problems with RBE path with tiny cache while NVIDIA GPUs has luxury of larger cache with their RBEs.
There's NO PC AMD GPU that combined R9-390X with Polaris improvements, let alone X1X's additional RBE improvements over Polaris.
X1X has a GPU slower than VEGA 56 but faster than RX-580 and R9-390X.
And yet it lacks RPM like Pro has..... And less bandwidth then PC GPU's.... Lmao....
What was the actual 'real world' bandwidth X has again from your other thread? 285Gb.... AHAHAHAHAHAHA....
326Gb = Theoretical
285 Gb = Real world
Aahahahahahahaha...
Do You realize that every card and console gives there Theoretical numbers but their real world numbers are all lower?
The same is true with the PS4 Pro, AMD Cards and NVidia Cards.
I know they do..... It's just amusing pointing fu at Ron...
It's also amusing to see the usual suspects continue to talk about what's impossible for the Xbox One X as if they were on the damn design team.. These were the same people claiming that native 4K was "impossible" for the console.. That goal post got moved and, if true, the goal posts will get moved again on this particular topic..
You have shrunk the goalpost so far that the bars are touching. No one was saying that the console couldn't do any games at 4K. The console isn't capable of playing the big AAA games at 4K/60 outside of Forza, aka the same series the OG Xbox One was running at native 1080p/60 while the majority of the lineup was below that. 4K/30, checkerboard or upscaled to 4K/60 is what we are getting with the Xbox One X on the blockbuster titles. This has been my stance the entire time.
The diehard Lems are the ones moving the goalposts. We started at the console being better than a GTX 1070, playing games at PC max settings at 4K/60 to, "well it's still better than the PS4 Pro." That's a huge swing, and yet you are here pointing out the critics of the initial hype? People that were critical of the initial hype are far more correct than you, Kuu2 or Ron have ever been. It's all in black and white for the internet to see. So don't get on here and act like you've been right this whole time.
first off, there were definitely people on this forum saying that native 4K was simply impossible for current-gen games on consoles.. that goal post was slowly moved to "well most games will be checkboard 4K like the PS4 Pro" as time went on and more information started to trickle out..
Secondly, the debate was never about "4K/60 on Ultra" it was about native 4K resolution.. The "4K/60 on Ultra" stuff only came up due to a tweet from Jez Corden but it's become clear that he was referring to Forza Motorsports 7 at that time.. the unrealistic "4K/60 on Ultra for all games" hype died away almost immediately and basically everyone simply believed that 900p/1080p games that ran at 30fps on Xbox One would be native 4K/30fps on the Xbox One X.. the only people claiming that all games would be 4K/60fps on the Xbox One X were cows trying to overly inflate the expectations for the console..
back in the real world, Microsoft simply stated that this is a "true 4K console" that's capable of running current-gen games in native 4K.. 3rd parties are free to use the power however they see fit and native 4K isn't mandated but Microsoft is releasing all their 1st party titles at native 4K resolution in order to illustrate that point.. now, after Gamescom, Digital Foundry is showing that the majority of games they've seen are indeed running at native 4K and, beyond that resolution, are showcasing higher graphical effects sometimes equal to the Ultra settings on PC.. That is exactly what I've been saying will be the result and yes, I was "right the whole time".. some games will miss the mark and have to do checkerboard 4K and i'm sure you and others will cling to those few exceptions like a starving dog to a bone.. but that's all they've be: exceptions to the rule..
Your stance, and the stance of many others like @Zero_epyon was that the majority of games will be checkerboard 4K like the PS4 Pro and/or compromises will have to be made in order to hit 4K and that simply isn't the case.. so please don't come in here trying rewrite history yet again just because you've been on the wrong side of this debate..
Wrong. My stance was and still is that Xbox One X will have more native 4K games than the pro, but will still have games use checkerboard or other upscaling techniques. It will not do 4K/60 Ultra on games like Witcher 3 or Gears 4. You really need to stop putting words in other people's mouths, something I brought to your attention months ago, and start comprehending what people are writing.
ok, that's one person.. you indicated "people" which is a plural term.. anyone else?..
beyond that, was that statement by @kuu2 a one-time comment or a prolonged argument/stance?.. there's a gulf of difference between a knee-jerk statement born from exciting news and an argument that was stated over and over again and defended repeatedly..
so where did he say "all Xbox One X games will be 4K/60fps"?
and are you going to answer my second question?..
GTX 1080 runs games at 4K/60fps. Especially on console settings. That's what he was trying to argue in that post.
It's also amusing to see the usual suspects continue to talk about what's impossible for the Xbox One X as if they were on the damn design team.. These were the same people claiming that native 4K was "impossible" for the console.. That goal post got moved and, if true, the goal posts will get moved again on this particular topic..
You have shrunk the goalpost so far that the bars are touching. No one was saying that the console couldn't do any games at 4K. The console isn't capable of playing the big AAA games at 4K/60 outside of Forza, aka the same series the OG Xbox One was running at native 1080p/60 while the majority of the lineup was below that. 4K/30, checkerboard or upscaled to 4K/60 is what we are getting with the Xbox One X on the blockbuster titles. This has been my stance the entire time.
The diehard Lems are the ones moving the goalposts. We started at the console being better than a GTX 1070 (1), playing games at PC max settings at 4K/60 to, "well it's still better than the PS4 Pro." That's a huge swing, and yet you are here pointing out the critics of the initial hype? People that were critical of the initial hype are far more correct than you, Kuu2 or Ron have ever been. It's all in black and white for the internet to see. So don't get on here and act like you've been right this whole time.
1. No, ARK dev states "like GTX 1070" not being better than GTX 1070. X1X's GPU doesn't have absolute superiority over GTX 1070 e.g. geometry power is still inferior on X1X. This is equally true for GTX 1070 doesn't have absolute superiority over X1X's GPU e.g. RBE cache size + physical memory bandwidth and Forzatech's wet track hammered this heavy alpha effects workload in excess.
One has to understand what workload type is X1X being superior.
Xbox One X isn't like a GTX 1070. It's barely like an RX 580.
@Zero_epyon: Oh so now Ron has been arguing that the Xbox One X is the same as a GTX 1080?.. I somehow doubt that..
I've been on these forums just like you and noone on the Xbox side has been arguing that all games on the Xbox One X will be running at 4K/60fps, including Ron.. And no, a single knee-jerk statement from Kuu2 doesn't equate to a prolonged argument or stance..
I'm still waiting for someone to show me all these lems that were regularly saying that "all Xbox One X games will be 4K/60fps" that Golden claims he's been arguing against..
@Zero_epyon: I'm not putting words in your mouth, these are YOUR words.. When asked for your prediction on the capabilities of the Xbox One X, YOU said:
"I expect similar results to the pro. Most games will be using MS' implementation of checkerboard rendering. " -Zero_epyon
In fairness to you, you did say that you believe the Xbox One X will have more native 4K games than the PS4 Pro.. But that doesn't change the above quote where you still say that the majority of Xbox One X games will use checkerboard 4K like the Pro which is the stance I was referring to..
You need to stop accusing people of putting words in your mouth when they are simply quoting exactly what you said..
Cool more options is always good, don't care if not all games can achieve it because of CPU etc. Playing Patch of Exile now on XOne and even with a party of 6 and tons of stuff going onscreen, it runs very well. I know it's a 2013 game but I've read a few people say it is quite demanding at 4K - 60 fps on PC when the action gets hectic & so I wonder how this game will work with this boost mode on the XOneX, if they enable it. I'd definitely rather the game maintain 60 fps over anything else. It's nice they are considering extra options like that in advance prior to release.
@Alucard_Prime: According to the Digital Foundry coverage at Gamescom, they had this to say of Path of Exile:
"Joining Killer Instinct in offering a clean 4K, 60Hz output is Path of Exile - flawless in motion, and clearly delivering a full frame-rate, ultra-HD experience, as you would expect from a title of this scope." -Digital Foundry
@Antwan3K: Nice! Looking forward for the upgrade....and this is the kind of game that benefits nicely from the extra res because it's 3/4 top-down view with a lot of small things onscreen at the same time etc. No complaints how it runs now & quite happy with it on the base XOne but it's going to be nice to see that facelift in a few months!
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