Xenoblade Chronicles: Why you shouldn't listen to the internet

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#51 JLF1MarkII
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Easily the best JRPG this generation.

I'm not counting Demon's/Dark Souls BTW.

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#52 JLF1MarkII
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[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"]I'm going to hold my judgment on this game until I actually play it. You know, like you should do.hayato_

Yeah, it seems like OP is trying to form a "it's not as good as everyone else says" opinion before he even plays it.

I think it will be very good. I'm looking forward to it tomorrow. Its design, I've seen before though. Thats it.:)



At least it tries to push it's concepts forward unlike that other company *cough*S-E*cough*.

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#53 JLF1MarkII
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I heard it plays similar to FF12 and some said it was FF12 should've been gameplay wise.

I will play it tomorrow when I pick up my preorder.

Nintendo_Ownes7



That's how I feel about it.

On one side I feel like this is the game I wanted when S-E announced FFX. On the other is also feels like it takes the concept of FF12 but done right. It doesn't feel like the game compromises on anything.

As you see both sides are positive.

I'm also of the opinion that the genre have sucked this entire generation except for some very few examples so you might want to take that into consideration.

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#54 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

I heard it plays similar to FF12 and some said it was FF12 should've been gameplay wise.

I will play it tomorrow when I pick up my preorder.

JLF1MarkII



That's how I feel about it.

On one side I feel like this is the game I wanted when S-E announced FFX. On the other is also feels like it takes the concept of FF12 but done right. It doesn't feel like the game compromises on anything.

As you see both sides are positive.

I'm also of the opinion that the genre have sucked this entire generation except for some very few examples so you might want to take that into consideration.

what was done wrong gameplay wise? FF12 was imo a good game and the gameplay was enjoyable.

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#55 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

ah thought you played it. I was just wondering in a gameplay form how is breath of fresh air is all. I dont pay attention to comments involving characters and world since those are highly based on opinoin. To be honest i got tired of stuff like giant towns and uber giant maps in my jrpgs. I dont mind a quick little town and I can get around to shops and such and be on my way and after ff12 im just fine with no more giant maps. Imma pick it up down the line since I have a big backlog and right now in the middle of tales of grace which im highly enjoying.

hayato_

I'm in the future arc. Asbel's character really makes the game hard for me to play.

Well im still in the begging. I just did the strata ruin. So far im enjoying the cast and voices.....well richards VA needs some work.

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#56 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]I heard it plays similar to FF12 and some said it was FF12 should've been gameplay wise.

I will play it tomorrow when I pick up my preorder.

David719

yea from what iv seen the game I can think of that has most in common with it is ff12 as you said.

That's what I've heard as well. Speaking of which how is Final Fantasy XII? I'm considering buying it, but the game seems to have very mixed reactions within the fandom.

EDIT: fixed the quote

IMO the main fault I find with ff12 is that they put vaan as the lead but he doesint feel like the lead at all. While some of the other characters feel much more important. Gameplay wise the maps are very big and the gameplay is pretty fun. Kinda feel mmoish on the gameplay front and you set up how you want your team to play.

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#57 Brown-9
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[QUOTE="David719"]

That's what I've heard as well. Speaking of which how is Final Fantasy XII? I'm considering buying it, but the game seems to have very mixed reactions within the fandom.

EDIT: fixed the quote

finalfantasy94

IMO the main fault I find with ff12 is that they put vaan as the lead but he doesint feel like the lead at all. While some of the other characters feel much more important. Gameplay wise the maps are very big and the gameplay is pretty fun. Kinda feel mmoish on the gameplay front and you set up how you want your team to play.

Also, most of the gameplay faults were remedied in the International version.

@David719 I'd recommend it over the localized XII if it's within your means.

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#58 JLF1MarkII
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what was done wrong gameplay wise? FF12 was imo a good game and the gameplay was enjoyable.

finalfantasy94



There's was nothing really wrong with FFXII. It simply wasn't executed the best way it could. I also felt like I far too little control with my characters in FXII. Xenoblade constantly keeps you engaged in the combat were as FFXII felt like it was running on auto far too much.

FFXII was a game with internal development problems which can easily be seen in the game, especially with the game ending far too early. It never felt like a conclusion to the story. It also had some terrible character development. The game has an excuse for it though and it is a really good effort.

Xenoblade simply feels much more balanced as a game. It doesn't take short-cuts. It feels like the game that Square-enix should have made if they continued doing their games the way they did in the PS1 generation. FFX, FFXII and FFXIII all feel like they are compromising too much in one way or another. They never wowed me like Xenoblade did.

Xenoblade doesn't really do anything new (neither did FF6 or 7 either) but it feels like the natural evolution of the genre I wanted it to take.

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#59 Brown-9
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

what was done wrong gameplay wise? FF12 was imo a good game and the gameplay was enjoyable.

JLF1MarkII



There's was nothing really wrong with FFXII. It simply wasn't executed the best way it could. I also felt like I far too little control with my characters in FXII. Xenoblade constantly keeps you engaged in the combat were as FFXII felt like it was running on auto far too much.

What is this I don't even...? :?

FFXII was brilliant in that you could exercise as much or as little control over your party at your discretion. :|

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#60 Bigboi500
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So I should mute my PC speakers?

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#62 hayato_
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It feels like the game that Square-enix should have made if they continued doing their games the way they did in the PS1 generation.

JLF1MarkII

Not really.

I'd rather the developers, not just pertaining to Square-Enix, keep taking risks and creating new things. I've played those games before. I don't need countless reissues of the same.

We wouldn't get games like Reasonance of Fate, Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Chronicles, The Last Story, Tales of Graces F (battle system wise), etc etc

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#63 Capitan_Kid
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[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

It feels like the game that Square-enix should have made if they continued doing their games the way they did in the PS1 generation.

hayato_

Not really.

I'd rather the developers, not just pertaining to Square-Enix, keep taking risks and creating new things. I've played those games before. I don't need countless reissues of the same.

We wouldn't get games like Reasonance of Fate, Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Chronicles, The Last Story, Tales of Graces F (battle system wise), etc etc

Exactly. Square always innovates
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#64 Nintendo_Ownes7
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So I should mute my PC speakers?

Bigboi500

This is Part One

All you have to do is listen to the narration and see if you like the voice I think it is the main characters voice; I'm not sure because I only watched a few seconds after they selected new game.

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#65 JLF1MarkII
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[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

It feels like the game that Square-enix should have made if they continued doing their games the way they did in the PS1 generation.

hayato_

Not really.

I'd rather the developers, not just pertaining to Square-Enix, keep taking risks and creating new things. I've played those games before. I don't need countless reissues of the same.

We wouldn't get games like Reasonance of Fate, Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Chronicles, The Last Story, Tales of Graces F (battle system wise), etc etc



You haven't even played the game so how on earth can you make such statements?

Here's the thing, I get what you are saying but I didn't say anything that would contradict that. All I've been saying is that Xenoblade feels like the PS1 FF games done in this generation with the standards of this generation.

The Last Story and Resonance of Fate (Yes I own them both) are vaslty different from Xenoblade or your average Square-enix game. They could have happened anyway. There is nothing though that FFXIII does better then Xenoblade, nothing. FFX, FFXII and FFXIII all feel like games that are in the same kind of JRPG as Xenoblade but they all feel compromised. Xenoblade does not. There's a reason why it's getting so much praise. You might not like it but that's a different story.

It's the kind of game that Square-enix have said would be impossible this generation on the HD systems. It might not push anything forward but it's the culmination of everything this genre has done in the last 10 years.

No offence but the comments I've seen you made on this game makes you come off as a Square-enix fanboy that can't accept that they are no longer the king.

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#66 JLF1MarkII
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Exactly. Square always innovateshayato_



The World Ends With You and? Yeah, that would be all they've done this generation in terms of innovation.

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#67 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

So I should mute my PC speakers?

Nintendo_Ownes7

This is Part One

All you have to do is listen to the narration and see if you like the voice I think it is the main characters voice; I'm not sure because I only watched a few seconds after they selected new game.

I was muting my PC speakers because the tc said I shouldn't listen to the internet. :P

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#68 pppjjj
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[QUOTE="hayato_"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

It feels like the game that Square-enix should have made if they continued doing their games the way they did in the PS1 generation.

Capitan_Kid

Not really.

I'd rather the developers, not just pertaining to Square-Enix, keep taking risks and creating new things. I've played those games before. I don't need countless reissues of the same.

We wouldn't get games like Reasonance of Fate, Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Chronicles, The Last Story, Tales of Graces F (battle system wise), etc etc

Exactly. Square always innovates

Now that is just bull#### and you know it.
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#69 Bread_or_Decide
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Hmm a tempered review. I wish critics used less hyperbole's when reviewing games. Every game is always the best or the worst when they are probably all more somewhere in the middle.
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#70 Nintendo_Ownes7
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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

So I should mute my PC speakers?

Bigboi500

This is Part One

All you have to do is listen to the narration and see if you like the voice I think it is the main characters voice; I'm not sure because I only watched a few seconds after they selected new game.

I was muting my PC speakers because the tc said I shouldn't listen to the internet. :P

Ok now I get it.

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#71 Bread_or_Decide
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I agree that this game is wasted on the Wii's hardware.
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#72 Kashiwaba
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Kinda agree with this review (and I did beat the game) the game is amazing and its the best JRPG on home consoles this gen but people exaggerate it when they say it revolutionary I hated the idea of having 10000000000000000 side quesy in the game it really annoyed me almost any NPC I talk to in the game gives a side quest to do and almost all the side quests are boring as hell, as for the open world part I think FFXII executed the open world part better than Xenoblade in Xenoblade the open world kinda felt messy and its exploration was more of being a pain in the a** than being fun (Like FF12 or DQ8).

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#73 hayato_
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You haven't even played the game so how on earth can you make such statements?

I'm not :|

No offence but the comments I've seen you made on this game makes you come off as a Square-enix fanboy that can't accept that they are no longer the king.

JLF1MarkII

I enjoy RPGs, or rather games, whether or not they made by Square-Enix or *insert publisher or developer here*. Sorry if you feel that way. My minds not gonna change on Xenoblade's design choice though. Its archaic, but seems to be very well executed from the videos and reviews I've been reading. A definite buy for the RPG fan imo.

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#74 hayato_
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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

So I should mute my PC speakers?

Bigboi500

This is Part One

All you have to do is listen to the narration and see if you like the voice I think it is the main characters voice; I'm not sure because I only watched a few seconds after they selected new game.

I was muting my PC speakers because the tc said I shouldn't listen to the internet. :P

I guess people don't read articles, because I didn't technically write that;) . I just quoted the title from the article headline

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#75 Nintendo_Ownes7
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I agree that this game is wasted on the Wii's hardware. Bread_or_Decide
Maybe but it would've had to be on the Wii U instead since Nintendo owns the developer.

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#76 JLF1MarkII
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I enjoy RPGs, or rather games, whether or not they made by Square-Enix or *insert publisher or developer here*. Sorry if you feel that way. My minds not gonna change on Xenoblade's design choice though. Its archaic, but seems to be very well executed from the videos and reviews I've been reading. A definite buy for the RPG fan imo.

hayato_



Think of it like Dead Space and Arkham City. They don't really do anything new but they do one hell of a job at it.

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#77 mexicangordo
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as opposed to games like skyrim that got way more hype and had more reviewers turn their head and present it as a game it was not?

casharmy

Excellent point. Even DS to some extent as well- I played and beat Xenoblade months ago and though it is a very huge game, so are many other games that get much praise for their efforts.

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#78 JLF1MarkII
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I agree that this game is wasted on the Wii's hardware. Nintendo_Ownes7

Maybe but it would've had to be on the Wii U instead since Nintendo owns the developer.



Well, they did release that concept art for their new game that was glorious.

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#79 Seabas989
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What a dumb OP. Have you even played it?

>"why you shouldn't listen to the internet"
>kotaku is an internet site

Aljosa23

^This.

Anyways can't wait to get it tomorrow. :D

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#80 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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[QUOTE="IAmNot_fun"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] I find it funny that this image is still relevant after all these years.Nintendo_Ownes7

Is that actually in-game? Thousand Year Door?

It's in game but it is from Super Paper Mario.

Great game, no matter what people say:evil:

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#81 Animal-Mother
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For those of you who played it how was it with the wii-mote? I'm seriously considering buying a CC for this.

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#84 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

For those of you who played it how was it with the wii-mote? I'm seriously considering buying a CC for this.

Slashkice

I thought it controlled fine; it's how I played it. I'd try it at least before committing to a CC.

That's true. I'm gonna start it up soon.
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lol kotaku.
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#86 WreckEm711
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For those of you who played it how was it with the wii-mote? I'm seriously considering buying a CC for this.

Animal-Mother
I beat the game last year, trust me, use the cLassic controller pro, makes managing the camera and menus easier and it's so comfortable on the hands
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#87 campzor
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it never looked revolutionary in the first place
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#88 edo-tensei
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I've been playing the import version, and yes I agree with you. The game is not as good as some people and critics are saying. However, you have to keep in mind that the people hyping this game are usually sheep who have never had a good stream of JRPGs come to their consoles for a long time. The gameplay is not revolutionary at all, but the overworld is good to explore and detailed, as far as wii hardware goes. The story isn't that memorable either. I can think of A LOT better examples of the JRPG genre that came out last gen on ps2 that deliver a better experience than this one. It's kind of sad though, because it clearly shows the current state of the genre on consoles.

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#89 flipdc5
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This game is the only time i'd complain about it being way too big. All you do is fight timed monsters once your on a high level, which mean more walking. -_-

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#90 edo-tensei
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This game is the only time i'd complain about it being way too big. All you do is fight timed monsters once your on a high level, which mean more walking. -_-

flipdc5
I remember I had a similar complain with FF12 for this reason, but I also enjoyed the world of FF12 a lot more.
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#91 turtlethetaffer
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Either way, I'm buying this game today and will love it.

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#92 Kuromino  Moderator
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The reviewer is entitled to their opinion, but making a statement like "Fans and reviewers have slapped the game with hyperbolic labels like 'the best JRPG of this generation' and 'an evolution point for JRPGs,' which makes me question whether any of those people actually play JRPGs" is just arrogant.

I'm one of those people that considers Xenoblade the best JRPG this generation. If someone disagrees, I respect their opinion, everyone has their own tastes and expectations. I'm not going to make a ridiculous statement like what that reviewer said though.

Anyway, to those who are finally getting the game, have fun. =)

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#93 Pray_to_me
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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

Off topic but can someone tell me if Xenogears is worth playing or is it an "amazing for its time" kind of deal. I bought it on PSN and while I'm doing a good job ignoring the horrible load times and graphics the story hasn't pulled me in after 7 hours thus far.

Lucianu

It has the best story on a console, that sh*t cannot age. Even if that could possibly be arguable, it is a irrefutable fact that it has the best characters and story in a JPRG. Fei's depth alone obliterates all JRPG characters, you'll soon see what i mean by that. 7 hours isn't really anything, it was a mediocre experience for me at that mark aswell. I don't remember any load times being horrible, though i do remember that it took a few hours for me to get hooked.

But man, it hooked me after a certain time, especially wen other characters start showing up and wen some epic music starts kicking in. F*k, i love that game. Finished it a year ago, took me 58 hours if i recall correctly.

Better characters and story then FF6? That's a bold statement but thanks for the response. I will continue playing.

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#94 DJ-Lafleur
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I didn't read the article ( as I do not care about Kotaku), but what exactly is so revolutionary about XenoBlade? (not a rhetorical question or trying to be aggressive, I'm genuinly curious)

From what I've heard of the game so far people seem to love/be interested in the game based on the fact that it has a super large world and tons of content, which is great and all, but certainly not "revolutionary."

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#95 Animal-Mother
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I didn't read the article ( as I do not care about Kotaku), but what exactly is so revolutionary about XenoBlade? (not a rhetorical question or trying to be aggressive, I'm genuinly curious)

From what I've heard of the game so far people seem to love/be interested in the game based on the fact that it has a super large world and tons of content, which is great and all, but certainly not "revolutionary."

DJ-Lafleur
I think it's more about the way it plays. The battle system is great.
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#96 Nanomage
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[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

I didn't read the article ( as I do not care about Kotaku), but what exactly is so revolutionary about XenoBlade? (not a rhetorical question or trying to be aggressive, I'm genuinly curious)

From what I've heard of the game so far people seem to love/be interested in the game based on the fact that it has a super large world and tons of content, which is great and all, but certainly not "revolutionary."

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I think it's more about the way it plays. The battle system is great.

The battle system is very MMO like(as is most of the game),I thought people didn´t liked that around here?

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#97 hayato_
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Got my copy lol. 1 of 3 preorders.................

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You guys should all just play the game before you start running your mouths. Its also an ironic thing that an article on the internet says you shouldn't listen to the internet. Fuuccking stupid.

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I usually hate JRPGs (before it was cool too), but I really really like Xenoblade. Definitely one of the best games to come out this year. Combat is fun, characters are great, story is good, and not the Uncharted or Mass Effect good, actually GOOD.

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#100 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="hayato_"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

It feels like the game that Square-enix should have made if they continued doing their games the way they did in the PS1 generation.

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Not really.

I'd rather the developers, not just pertaining to Square-Enix, keep taking risks and creating new things. I've played those games before. I don't need countless reissues of the same.

We wouldn't get games like Reasonance of Fate, Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Chronicles, The Last Story, Tales of Graces F (battle system wise), etc etc



You haven't even played the game so how on earth can you make such statements?

Here's the thing, I get what you are saying but I didn't say anything that would contradict that. All I've been saying is that Xenoblade feels like the PS1 FF games done in this generation with the standards of this generation.

The Last Story and Resonance of Fate (Yes I own them both) are vaslty different from Xenoblade or your average Square-enix game. They could have happened anyway. There is nothing though that FFXIII does better then Xenoblade, nothing. FFX, FFXII and FFXIII all feel like games that are in the same kind of JRPG as Xenoblade but they all feel compromised. Xenoblade does not. There's a reason why it's getting so much praise. You might not like it but that's a different story.

It's the kind of game that Square-enix have said would be impossible this generation on the HD systems. It might not push anything forward but it's the culmination of everything this genre has done in the last 10 years.

No offence but the comments I've seen you made on this game makes you come off as a Square-enix fanboy that can't accept that they are no longer the king.

that ff13 does nothing better then xenoblade line sounds a bit stubborn. I mean from a battle system standpoint from what iv seen seems alot like ff12 and while I like that combat system I enjoyed ff13 combat more.