Xenoblade sells 30k in the EU, makes US release more unlikely.

The starter of Opertaion Moonfall (whatever that was called) is ripping out his hair now :O

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="minh800"]

1. Yeah, businesses do it all the time. Sony of America didn't localize Demon's Souls because they thought it wouldn't be profitable enough. They were wrong. 2. Going by my example with SoA, yes, business analysts can be very wrong at judging what will sell and what won't. The loss wouldn't really be that much if one occured. The work to localize it has already been finished so most of the money used would be towards printing and distributing.

minh800

Oh, but it does matter. Companies are only concerned with money and being wrong in this case would mean that they lost out on profits. Like I said, there are many cheap ways to advertise your games. If there weren't, smaller publishers wouldn't find sales or even exist.

Actually, NoE, didn't even ship out enough copies of Xenoblade. Stores are sold out of the game and some people have trouble finding where to get it, because of that.

And I'm surprised how many people in this thread didn't look at the link, because there's no source at all especially when posters here try to call out someone for using VGchartz.


Xenoblade was in number 1 top selling game in france alone last time I checked(And the bundle xenoblade was 3).

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] It doesn't matter if they will be wrong though...only what they think will happen. What they think (based off their projections) is what determines what they will do. Given what they have said and their actions, they think it will sell poorly here...not enough to take the risk. And that is all that matters. Also, one case does not a trend make. People could point out far more mistakes that were brought over (mistakes form a business profit perspective) ...but that is a result of the circumstances (as we can never know what would have happened given the opposite choice) Furthermore, advertising is really expensive (magazines, websites, other print, TV) They need to reach far more people than the amount that post on websites in these threadsrawsavon

Oh, but it does matter. Companies are only concerned with money and being wrong in this case would mean that they lost out on profits. Like I said, there are many cheap ways to advertise your games. If there weren't, smaller publishers wouldn't find sales or even exist.

Being right or wrong actually matters (and it matters the most).

Money is money to me. It would depend on how easy I could make the money. In Nintendo's case, this is easy profit. Like I said before, NoA doesn't have much else on its plate - they have plenty of resources left. And since Nintendo has already cut down their profit forecasts by a considerable margin, I think they'd be interested in making whatever profit they could.

They're not really flocking elsewhere, they're just expanding and making sure they don't lose sales through piracy (it's why Corpse Party won't be released on UMDs). Atlus still localizes plenty of physical based games but they're trying to increase profits through publishing things like Trine 2.

The starter of Opertaion Moonfall (whatever that was called) is ripping out his hair now :O

GillasEggs30

Moonfall is the campaign to get a Majora's Mask remake on the 3DS.

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

GD1551

Yes it's all the Wii's fault. It definetly doesn't have anything to do with limited shipments or lack of marketing. It's all just because it was released on Wii.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="minh800"]

Oh, but it does matter. Companies are only concerned with money and being wrong in this case would mean that they lost out on profits. Like I said, there are many cheap ways to advertise your games. If there weren't, smaller publishers wouldn't find sales or even exist.

minh800

Being right or wrong actually matters (and it matters the most).

Money is money to me. It would depend on how easy I could make the money. In Nintendo's case, this is easy profit. Like I said before, NoA doesn't have much else on its plate - they have plenty of resources left. And since Nintendo has already cut down their profit forecasts by a considerable margin, I think they'd be interested in making whatever profit they could.

They're not really flocking elsewhere, they're just expanding and making sure they don't lose sales through piracy (it's why Corpse Party won't be released on UMDs). Atlus still localizes plenty of physical based games but they're trying to increase profits through publishing things like Trine 2.

All of these are assumptions on your part though
-easy profit (we don't know what would happen...but they are in most informed position to make that call, even if they are wrong sometimes like all businesses)
-don't have much on their plate...only they know what all they have 'on their plate' and how their resources are being allocated

If you were a billion dollar company (a sole proprietorship), and I came to you with a $1,000 idea...are you really going to listen?
-what if you only have 100 project teams working for you
-what if all of them are busy on 100k or million dollar projects that will come out in the next year...5 years...10 years

These are things they factor in. Things that whole departments work on.
And, for now at least, they have determined that this project is not worth it.
Could that change? Yes
Will it? Doubtful

TBH, the only ones we have to be angry at (not that I think there is anything to be angry about) are ourselves.
They strive to give the most people what they want...to make the most money from the most amount of people...the populace has spoken.
It sucks being in the minority sometimes (to not be catered to), but it is what it is

If the hole in the market (that is not being catered to) gets large enough, then someone will step in to fill it...such is business

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

meetroid8

Yes it's all the Wii's fault. It definetly doesn't have anything to do with limited shipments or lack of marketing. It's all just because it was released on Wii.

Actually yes it is the fault of the wii. Core games not within nintendo's main franchises sell like garbage on the wii.

How about we wait for official numbers? That article (a Wordpress article) has no sources to fall back on. VGcharts don't cut it.

Actually, NoE, didn't even ship out enough copies of Xenoblade. Stores are sold out of the game and some people have trouble finding where to get it, because of that.

And I'm surprised how many people in this thread didn't look at the link, because there's no source at all especially when posters here try to call out someone for using VGchartz.


Xenoblade was in number 1 top selling game in france alone last time I checked(And the bundle xenoblade was 3).

Luxen90

I'll help out with that:

The sales # is from vgchartz!! Read before you post, ppl!!

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

GD1551

Yes it's all the Wii's fault. It definetly doesn't have anything to do with limited shipments or lack of marketing. It's all just because it was released on Wii.

Actually yes it is the fault of the wii. Core games not within nintendo's main franchises sell like garbage on the wii.

Actually yes it is the fault of the wii. Core games not within nintendo's main franchises sell like garbage on the wii.

GD1551

A lot of games have done well on the Wii from any of the Resident Evil titles on the platform to De Blob (surprising) to Red Steel (gross) and apparently Epic Mickey (surprising, again).

[QUOTE="minh800"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] They are concerned with money...BUT WHAT DETERMINES THEIR CHOICES IS WHAT THEY THINK WILL MAKE/LOSE MONEY. They think this will not. So that is all that matters. Also, if you are a billionaire and I tell you I have a deal that could make you $1000...are you interested...especially if there is a risk of losing money? Probably not. The fish is 'too small' to even interest you. It would be better for you to focus your limited resources elsewhere (on a million dollar deal). If you had unlimited resources, then you could go after most every deal...but you don't And you are right about smaller companies/releases....but they are flocking elsewhere (things like PSN)rawsavon

Being right or wrong actually matters (and it matters the most).

Money is money to me. It would depend on how easy I could make the money. In Nintendo's case, this is easy profit. Like I said before, NoA doesn't have much else on its plate - they have plenty of resources left. And since Nintendo has already cut down their profit forecasts by a considerable margin, I think they'd be interested in making whatever profit they could.

They're not really flocking elsewhere, they're just expanding and making sure they don't lose sales through piracy (it's why Corpse Party won't be released on UMDs). Atlus still localizes plenty of physical based games but they're trying to increase profits through publishing things like Trine 2.

All of these are assumptions on your part though
-easy profit (we don't know what would happen...but they are in most informed position to make that call, even if they are wrong sometimes like all businesses)
-don't have much on their plate...only they know what all they have 'on their plate' and how their resources are being allocated

If you were a billion dollar company (a sole proprietorship), and I came to you with a $1,000 idea...are you really going to listen?
-what if you only have 100 project teams working for you
-what if all of them are busy on 100k or million dollar projects that will come out in the next year...5 years...10 years

These are things they factor in. Things that whole departments work on.
And, for now at least, they have determined that this project is not worth it.
Could that change? Yes
Will it? Doubtful

TBH, the only ones we have to be angry at (not that I think there is anything to be angry about) are ourselves.
They strive to give the most people what they want...to make the most money from the most amount of people...the populace has spoken.
It sucks being in the minority sometimes (to not be catered to), but it is what it is

If the hole in the market (that is not being catered to) gets large enough, then someone will step in to fill it...such is business

These assumptions are based on easily grasped facts. Localizing a product that has already been translated and has the VA completed means that most of the money spent would be on printing and distribution. We've seen their lineup for this holiday season. Nintendo is big enough to handle more.

I think you're just trying to misrepresent how much profit Nintendo could make on these games which could be somewhere in the millions. It's not a bad deal whatsoever. Nintendo does this all the time. It's no shocker. They're not really into the whole fan service ordeal (which is what this should have been) like other companies (Atlus to name one)

Monster Hunter, one of the most non casual friendly franchises ever created, sold nearly 2 million copies on Wii. And there went your entire argument.meetroid8

Oh wow one of the most popular franchises to exist sold well! My argument is owned!

I might get it.I saw it in the store the other day.I haven't played Wii in such a long,long time and I suppose this game could help me out with this "problem".

Someone should make a thread about how many copies of Atelier Rorona on PS3 were sold, or Ar Tonelico 3, and hold Sony to the same level of scrutiny that they do Nintendo here...

I'd do it but I have no idea where to get the sales figures from.

The Wii has more million plus selling titles on it than the PS3, so I find it odd how people think a game like this would have done better there.

Like, as if being a niche RPG in itself doesn't set it up for low sales. As if the PS3 RPGs are just flying off the shelves. :roll:

Someone should make a thread about how many copies of Atelier Rorona on PS3 were sold, or Ar Tonelico 3, and hold Sony to the same level of scrutiny that they do Nintendo here...

I'd do it but I have no idea where to get the sales figures from.

Bigboi500

Like, as if being a niche RPG in itself doesn't set it up for low sales. As if the PS3 RPGs are just flying off the shelves. :roll:

Ly_the_Fairy

They certainly sell well enough for publishers not to give up on bringing the titles to US, so that's something.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Someone should make a thread about how many copies of Atelier Rorona on PS3 were sold, or Ar Tonelico 3, and hold Sony to the same level of scrutiny that they do Nintendo here...

I'd do it but I have no idea where to get the sales figures from.

Luxen90

Like, as if being a niche RPG in itself doesn't set it up for low sales. As if the PS3 RPGs are just flying off the shelves. :roll:

Ly_the_Fairy

They certainly sell well enough for publishers not to give up on bringing the titles to US, so that's something.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="minh800"]

Being right or wrong actually matters (and it matters the most).

Money is money to me. It would depend on how easy I could make the money. In Nintendo's case, this is easy profit. Like I said before, NoA doesn't have much else on its plate - they have plenty of resources left. And since Nintendo has already cut down their profit forecasts by a considerable margin, I think they'd be interested in making whatever profit they could.

They're not really flocking elsewhere, they're just expanding and making sure they don't lose sales through piracy (it's why Corpse Party won't be released on UMDs). Atlus still localizes plenty of physical based games but they're trying to increase profits through publishing things like Trine 2.

minh800

All of these are assumptions on your part though
-easy profit (we don't know what would happen...but they are in most informed position to make that call, even if they are wrong sometimes like all businesses)
-don't have much on their plate...only they know what all they have 'on their plate' and how their resources are being allocated

If you were a billion dollar company (a sole proprietorship), and I came to you with a $1,000 idea...are you really going to listen?
-what if you only have 100 project teams working for you
-what if all of them are busy on 100k or million dollar projects that will come out in the next year...5 years...10 years

These are things they factor in. Things that whole departments work on.
And, for now at least, they have determined that this project is not worth it.
Could that change? Yes
Will it? Doubtful

TBH, the only ones we have to be angry at (not that I think there is anything to be angry about) are ourselves.
They strive to give the most people what they want...to make the most money from the most amount of people...the populace has spoken.
It sucks being in the minority sometimes (to not be catered to), but it is what it is

If the hole in the market (that is not being catered to) gets large enough, then someone will step in to fill it...such is business

These assumptions are based on easily grasped facts. Localizing a product that has already been translated and has the VA completed means that most of the money spent would be on printing and distribution. We've seen their lineup for this holiday season. Nintendo is big enough to handle more.

I think you're just trying to misrepresent how much profit Nintendo could make on these games which could be somewhere in the millions. It's not a bad deal whatsoever. Nintendo does this all the time. It's no shocker. They're not really into the whole fan service ordeal (which is what this should have been) like other companies (Atlus to name one)

If I am misrepresenting anything, please feel free to share how much they will make per unit sold (after packaging and distribution).
Now please give the estimated costs for reasonable advertising campaign.
And then show some projection of sales based on a computer modeling program similar to what any billion dollar company would use.

The point of the above is to demonstrate how much more thought goes into a decision and how many more resources 'they' have to make those decisions than people here often consider or have at their disposal.

If they thought this would make 'enough' money, then they would do it
-'enough' being illustrated by my example
They are not going to 'cut of their nose to spite their face'

If you would like to discuss making a small profit or taking a loss in order to make a small % of your fans happy, then we can certainly do that.
...but so far, that is the only assertion that has had merit/only one I have not shown that they (nintendo) are in a better spot to make that determination

Well, it looks I will be importing a game in the next few months. And it looks like, outside of playing Skyward Sword, that will be the only time the Wii even gets turned on for the remainder of the year.

Well, it looks I will be importing a game in the next few months. And it looks like, outside of playing Skyward Sword, that will be the only time the Wii even gets turned on for the remainder of the year.

Dark_Knight6

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

That's too bad. The wii scene is starting to die though.

Midnightshade29

Correct. This game would NOT HAVE SOLD ANY MORE UNITS if released on the PS3 or 360 in Europe.

The fact of the matter is that, with 5 year old hardware and a worldwide recession, games like this just don't sell anymore.

It's time to move on with bigger and better consoles that will re-ignite consumers.

Ok...These consoles are old now, and they are still expensive, and the games for them are still expensive, so because of the recession people would rather spend their money on ipads and apps etc.. which are TWICE as much as videogame consoles yet still selling like CRAZY....

launching a new set of systems with better hard ware and better looking games people would be more likely to want them it doesn't matter that its slightly more expensive its the fact that consumers will be more willing to go for it because its the new thing, where as no one pays attention to games like this on such dated hardware anymore. This generation is going on FAR too long. Its stagnating in so many places and people have to realize that if we launch a new gen everything is going to be too expensive to afford and genres will be even more stagnant because they cost more to make it doesn't really work like that. It makes sense on paper but logically there was never any reason to upgrade tech, with this thought process we'd still be playing our super nintendo's.

Oh wow one of the most popular franchises to exist sold well! My argument is owned!

GD1551

Well let's see.

Actually yes it is the fault of the wii. Core games not within nintendo's main franchises sell like garbage on the wii.

GD1551

Monster Hunter Tri -2 million copies

Core game? Check.

Not within Nintendo's franchises? Check.

Sold like garbage? Nope. Yes, I suppose your argument is owned. Though if for some reason MH doesn't count.

A lot of games have done well on the Wii from any of the Resident Evil titles on the platform to De Blob (surprising) to Red Steel (gross) and apparently Epic Mickey (surprising, again).

Haziqonfire

Well look at that, Haziqonfire already took care of that one.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Well, it looks I will be importing a game in the next few months. And it looks like, outside of playing Skyward Sword, that will be the only time the Wii even gets turned on for the remainder of the year.

rawsavon

I bought mine at launch. And with all of the hype around it at the time, I expected more from it. It's a great console, it's just not as great as it should have been.

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]Like, as if being a niche RPG in itself doesn't set it up for low sales. As if the PS3 RPGs are just flying off the shelves. :roll:

Luxen90

They certainly sell well enough for publishers not to give up on bringing the titles to US, so that's something.

Only 30k.....??Those are very poor sales.Why they don't have make this game on the PS3&XBOX...........it would sell a lot better.AtariKidX

Ouch. What happened?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Well, it looks I will be importing a game in the next few months. And it looks like, outside of playing Skyward Sword, that will be the only time the Wii even gets turned on for the remainder of the year.

Dark_Knight6

I bought mine at launch. And with all of the hype around it at the time, I expected more from it. It's a great console, it's just not as great as it should have been.

I think most "rpg gamers" abandoned Wii and went elsewhere for their gaming needs. If a good game like Xenoblade cant sell well it just proves it.

Why is this thread still open if the link is bogus?

Ouch. What happened?

hakanakumono

This goes to show that there isn't much of a hardcore audience with the Wii.

Wasdie

This! if it was on a system like the PS3 or Vita i would personally pre-order and get 2 copies.. wii or DS? meh.. where are all the fans then? what are you all doing? go buy the game and import even if your system is not region free!

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

This goes to show that there isn't much of a hardcore audience with the Wii.

finalstar2007

This! if it was on a system like the PS3 or Vita i would personally pre-order and get 2 copies.. wii or DS? meh.. where are all the fans then? what are you all doing? go buy the game and import even if your system is not region free!

No-name site with no source, sounds legit. :3

Hard to say without any numbers (damn you PAL land), but I think it sold well enough. Week of debut it charted in the top 5 across most territories, and anecdotally speaking it's apparently difficult to find copies.

Slashkice

So this is wrong?

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

This goes to show that there isn't much of a hardcore audience with the Wii.

Arach666

This! if it was on a system like the PS3 or Vita i would personally pre-order and get 2 copies.. wii or DS? meh.. where are all the fans then? what are you all doing? go buy the game and import even if your system is not region free!

Xenoblade should have more market appeal than most of the game he hypes.

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]Only 30k.....??Those are very poor sales.Why they don't have make this game on the PS3&XBOX...........it would sell a lot better.Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

This! if it was on a system like the PS3 or Vita i would personally pre-order and get 2 copies.. wii or DS? meh.. where are all the fans then? what are you all doing? go buy the game and import even if your system is not region free!

hakanakumono

Xenoblade should have more market appeal than most of the game he hypes.

The game is sold out in alot of places online. I'm assuming not too many copies were made.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

This goes to show that there isn't much of a hardcore audience with the Wii.

Arach666

This! if it was on a system like the PS3 or Vita i would personally pre-order and get 2 copies.. wii or DS? meh.. where are all the fans then? what are you all doing? go buy the game and import even if your system is not region free!

Well hey the thing is they keep bringing more and more every year, if they were doing bad they wouldnt be coming and like crazy right?. this month alone gets 5 JRPGs on the ps3.. now we'r really talking about nintendo fans here.. what are you all doing? go buy real games and stop buying mario 100 times a year

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

No-name site with no source, sounds legit. :3

Hard to say without any numbers (damn you PAL land), but I think it sold well enough. Week of debut it charted in the top 5 across most territories, and anecdotally speaking it's apparently difficult to find copies.

hakanakumono

So this is wrong?

When people say Monolith the first thing I think of is this:

But then I realized there is a Monolith Soft that made this:

In the end it wasn't that much of a difference, because both are two great games that sold like s***. :( :cry:

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

This! if it was on a system like the PS3 or Vita i would personally pre-order and get 2 copies.. wii or DS? meh.. where are all the fans then? what are you all doing? go buy the game and import even if your system is not region free!

hakanakumono

Xenoblade should have more market appeal than most of the game he hypes.

You got it wrong.. i DONt hype :). i only share some of the games i think some people may like on SW and thats about it. have never made a hype thread on a JRPG game ( only once maybe a few years ago ). i buy what i want but again this thread is about nintendo fans in the US and Canada. why not import? yes i know wii is not region free but import. this seem like a great game and should do much more than even FFXIII

This goes to show that there isn't much of a hardcore audience with the Wii.

Wasdie