Xenoblade sells 30k in the EU, makes US release more unlikely.

Core games not within nintendo's main franchises sell like garbage on the wii.

GD1551

99% of the games in the entire industry sell like garbage compared to Nintendo's main franchises lol.

Where's Vanquish 2, Mirror's Edge 2, Bayonetta 2? I.e. sequels to truly great games and new IPs. Thought so.

All systems have horrible games selling well (GTA4, Mario Party8 ) while great ones don't.

*Sigh* and thats what happens when you release a core game on the Wii :roll:

they should have added mario's picture on the front cover, then it would have sold wayy more.

cuz thats all Wii owners care for anyways :roll:

*Sigh* and thats what happens when you release a core game on the Wii :roll:

they should have added mario's picture on the front cover, then it would have sold wayy more.

cuz thats all Wii owners care for anyways :roll:

LP4EVA2005

[QUOTE="LP4EVA2005"]

*Sigh* and thats what happens when you release a core game on the Wii :roll:

they should have added mario's picture on the front cover, then it would have sold wayy more.

cuz thats all Wii owners care for anyways :roll:

KungfuKitten

More so this is the sorry state of the 'core' audience in gaming. This is literally the only industry where failure is well met by a group of the core and where the core were given an option to buy something that was radically different, unique and generally smart, but they shoved it away. I don't blame the casual audience on the Wii for lack of sales of core title, I blame core gamers who are too proud to be on their high horse to buy a Wii because it's a Wii. In this very thread there was someone who basically said they wanted to play Xenoblade really badly but buy a Wii? Nawwww, that's just not right, it's a Wii:!: :lol:

Seriously, THIS is the problem - NOT a casual audience, it's the ignorance and general attitude in the core gaming audience who chooses to be loyal to a company rather than to jump in if they're interested in a game on another platform.

If it was on ps3 it would have sold more probaply.TheGuardian03

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]If it was on ps3 it would have sold more probaply.AgentA-Mi6

But it's not on the PS3 -- so if people are saying 'it would've sold better on console x', why wouldn't you just buy a Wii instead and play it? I don't blame the casual at all, I blame the core for being too high and mighty to purchase a Wii because it's a weaker box, despite that it was doing new things and has good games -- Xenoblade is one of many.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

GD1551

Yes it's all the Wii's fault. It definetly doesn't have anything to do with limited shipments or lack of marketing. It's all just because it was released on Wii.

Actually yes it is the fault of the wii. Core games not within nintendo's main franchises sell like garbage on the wii.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

[QUOTE="LP4EVA2005"]

*Sigh* and thats what happens when you release a core game on the Wii :roll:

they should have added mario's picture on the front cover, then it would have sold wayy more.

cuz thats all Wii owners care for anyways :roll:

Haziqonfire

More so this is the sorry state of the 'core' audience in gaming. This is literally the only industry where failure is well met by a group of the core and where the core were given an option to buy something that was radically different, unique and generally smart, but they shoved it away. I don't blame the casual audience on the Wii for lack of sales of core title, I blame core gamers who are too proud to be on their high horse to buy a Wii because it's a Wii. In this very thread there was someone who basically said they wanted to play Xenoblade really badly but buy a Wii? Nawwww, that's just not right, it's a Wii:!: :lol:

Seriously, THIS is the problem - NOT a casual audience, it's the ignorance and general attitude in the core gaming audience who chooses to be loyal to a company rather than to jump in if they're interested in a game on another platform.

The Wii audience is mostly casual, but not completely casual (core games named Mario and Zelda don't have a problem selling) so perhaps the problem isn't the unwillingness of core gamers to buy a system for a single game (?!), but the unwillingness of the core gamers who own Wiis to buy anything which falls outside of a tiny handful of franchises.

The Wii audience is mostly casual, but not completely casual (core games named Mario and Zelda don't have a problem selling) so perhaps the problem isn't the unwillingness of core gamers to buy a system for a single game (?!), but the unwillingness of the core gamers who own Wiis to buy anything which falls outside of a tiny handful of franchises.

CarnageHeart

That is the case with all the consoles and to a lesser extent PC. There is a big audience for blockbuster games, like MW3, BF3, Uncharted3, Gears 3, but no real audience for anything outside of stuff that is hyped and advertised to death. The same mentality applies on these forums, how many people discredit PC games because they are not blockbuster titles like Uncharted 3? I've seen this comment a few times.

I guess if that is what people want which seems to be the case then so be it, but it then seems a bit hypocritical to start complaining about lack of innovation and change, when the same people complaining about the industry state are eating up all the sequels and blockbusters... and I am somewhat guilty of this. At the end of the year I will be getting Gears and Uncharted, so I can't really complain when 100's of Uncharted clones start releasing.

This is not directed at you BTW.

From what I've heard, the game is ridiculously hard to find in stores in Europe - it's always out of stock. Nintendo undershipped this game, and that's why the number is so low.

99% of the games in the entire industry sell like garbage compared to Nintendo's main franchises lol.

Where's Vanquish 2, Mirror's Edge 2, Bayonetta 2? I.e. sequels to truly great games and new IPs. Thought so.

All systems have horrible games selling well (GTA4, Mario Party8 ) while great ones don't.

SuperFlakeman

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"] No this is about most of us. Most of us own a Wii or if we wanted to could own a Wii. This isn't about casuals or so. This is about gamers like you and me, who don't buy games like Xenoblade.
If we here are only buying Wii games when there is mario on the front cover, then we should seriously have a look at ourselves.

CarnageHeart

More so this is the sorry state of the 'core' audience in gaming. This is literally the only industry where failure is well met by a group of the core and where the core were given an option to buy something that was radically different, unique and generally smart, but they shoved it away. I don't blame the casual audience on the Wii for lack of sales of core title, I blame core gamers who are too proud to be on their high horse to buy a Wii because it's a Wii. In this very thread there was someone who basically said they wanted to play Xenoblade really badly but buy a Wii? Nawwww, that's just not right, it's a Wii:!: :lol:

Seriously, THIS is the problem - NOT a casual audience, it's the ignorance and general attitude in the core gaming audience who chooses to be loyal to a company rather than to jump in if they're interested in a game on another platform.

The Wii audience is mostly casual, but not completely casual (core games named Mario and Zelda don't have a problem selling) so perhaps the problem isn't the unwillingness of core gamers to buy a system for a single game (?!), but the unwillingness of the core gamers who own Wiis to buy anything which falls outside of a tiny handful of franchises.

The Wii audience is mostly casual, but not completely casual (core games named Mario and Zelda don't have a problem selling) so perhaps the problem isn't the unwillingness of core gamers to buy a system for a single game (?!), but the unwillingness of the core gamers who own Wiis to buy anything which falls outside of a tiny handful of franchises.

CarnageHeart

The Wii arguably has the most core, niche franchises out of any of the consoles -- it also has the most exclusives, there's enough content for people to try out on the Wii that fit 'core' experiences.

This is just a common thing I see among System Wars/core gamers in general. They're wondering where all the motion games are on PS3 with move when they have a console with arguably better motion controls and motion games already waiting for them for almost the same price as Move and a game. It's baffling that people are unwilling to buy hardware because they're too loyal to one company.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Core games not within nintendo's main franchises sell like garbage on the wii.

SuperFlakeman

99% of the games in the entire industry sell like garbage compared to Nintendo's main franchises lol.

Where's Vanquish 2, Mirror's Edge 2, Bayonetta 2? I.e. sequels to truly great games and new IPs. Thought so.

All systems have horrible games selling well (GTA4, Mario Party8 ) while great ones don't.

I hope you know that Bayonetta 2 is the in the works and Vanquish also sold 820k last we heard. ME is another story, not every game is going to sell well, the issue is that very few 3rd party games do well on the wii. If they did why would developers not support it better?

I hope you know that Bayonetta 2 is the in the works and Vanquish also sold 820k last we heard. ME is another story, not every game is going to sell well, the issue is that very few 3rd party games do well on the wii. If they did why would developers not support it better?

GD1551

I ask the same of core gamers who ignore it because it's a weaker box.

The sales of Goldeneye and Sonic Colors tell me otherwise.nintendoboy16

Well then you can take it up with nintendo.

http://gamingbolt.com/third-party-sales-on-wii-are-especially-low-says-iwata

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]The sales of Goldeneye and Sonic Colors tell me otherwise.GD1551

Well then you can take it up with nintendo.

http://gamingbolt.com/third-party-sales-on-wii-are-especially-low-says-iwata

He's talking about Japan -- Worldwide, the Wii has seen success from different third party IPs like I mentioned earlier in this thread.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

99% of the games in the entire industry sell like garbage compared to Nintendo's main franchises lol.

Where's Vanquish 2, Mirror's Edge 2, Bayonetta 2? I.e. sequels to truly great games and new IPs. Thought so.

All systems have horrible games selling well (GTA4, Mario Party8 ) while great ones don't.

Luxen90

fits what? The person said that 3rd party core games sell like garbage compared to mainline Nintendo franchise games.

"Reaching expectations" =/= good sales. Vanquish's '800k' sales is garbage sales next to Mario games.

It's all relative. You can't expect "Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure" to sell 5 million copies lol. (core 3rd party Wii game)

RPGS sell like garbage in general, Xenoblade is no exception.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]The sales of Goldeneye and Sonic Colors tell me otherwise.GD1551

Well then you can take it up with nintendo.

http://gamingbolt.com/third-party-sales-on-wii-are-especially-low-says-iwata

I would greatly prefer if you would've linked a site that lists all the big budget, A-studio, non ports, core, 3rd party games that I must have missed.

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

GD1551

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

The Wii audience is mostly casual, but not completely casual (core games named Mario and Zelda don't have a problem selling) so perhaps the problem isn't the unwillingness of core gamers to buy a system for a single game (?!), but the unwillingness of the core gamers who own Wiis to buy anything which falls outside of a tiny handful of franchises.

Haziqonfire

The Wii arguably has the most core, niche franchises out of any of the consoles -- it also has the most exclusives, there's enough content for people to try out on the Wii that fit 'core' experiences.

This is just a common thing I see among System Wars/core gamers in general. They're wondering where all the motion games are on PS3 with move when they have a console with arguably better motion controls and motion games already waiting for them for almost the same price as Move and a game. It's baffling that people are unwilling to buy hardware because they're too loyal to one company.

Dephends on if you count Multiplats or not. I would argue the HD twins have more core games if you include multiplats. However, exclusivewise, the Wii has the HD twins beat.

The Wii has a lot of niche titles, I used to be disappointed in the system, until I realized just how many niche gems there were on it. Now it is my favorite console this gen.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="AtariKidX"]Only 30k.....??Those are very poor sales.Why they don't have make this game on the PS3&XBOX...........it would sell a lot better.TheFallenDemon

The games they made that were published by Namco-Bandai were released in North America.

The 3 games published by Nintendo weren't released in North America.

The Wii has a lot of niche titles, I used to be disappointed in the system, until I realized just how many niche gems there were on it. Now it is my favorite console this gen.

Maroxad

It's the only console I really like this gen. My 360 barely gets played and I don't think it'd be any different with the PS3.

Still hope it makes it to NA

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Wii has a lot of niche titles, I used to be disappointed in the system, until I realized just how many niche gems there were on it. Now it is my favorite console this gen.

Haziqonfire

It's the only console I really like this gen. My 360 barely gets played and I don't think it'd be any different with the PS3.

I havent touched my 360 in a while, and the only games I really enjoyed was Demons Souls and Valkyria Chronicles on the PS3. LittleBigPlanet 2 was fun as well and so was flower. But outside of those 4, I havent enjoyed a single game on the PS3. None of the upcoming games interest me on either HD twin.

With the Wii however, I am enjoying the heck out of Xenoblade right now, and in the future there will be Zelda, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Wii has a lot of niche titles, I used to be disappointed in the system, until I realized just how many niche gems there were on it. Now it is my favorite console this gen.

Haziqonfire

It's the only console I really like this gen. My 360 barely gets played and I don't think it'd be any different with the PS3.

EXACTLY! 100% TRUE.

There are 50+ niche gems for the Wii that get overlooked time and time again.

I've loved the Wii as I loved the Gamecube...classic, unique titles on an under-appreciated system.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

The Wii audience is mostly casual, but not completely casual (core games named Mario and Zelda don't have a problem selling) so perhaps the problem isn't the unwillingness of core gamers to buy a system for a single game (?!), but the unwillingness of the core gamers who own Wiis to buy anything which falls outside of a tiny handful of franchises.

Haziqonfire

The Wii arguably has the most core, niche franchises out of any of the consoles -- it also has the most exclusives, there's enough content for people to try out on the Wii that fit 'core' experiences.

This is just a common thing I see among System Wars/core gamers in general. They're wondering where all the motion games are on PS3 with move when they have a console with arguably better motion controls and motion games already waiting for them for almost the same price as Move and a game. It's baffling that people are unwilling to buy hardware because they're too loyal to one company.

That's extremely arguable. Most third parties don't make core games (niche or otherwise) for the Wii, either at retail or via download. As for the most exclusives, sure, but only if one factors in casual games.

As for people complaining about a lack of support for the Move, I don't know what people you're talking about, but my problem with the Move is that it hasn't really been used well for much besides shooters, virtual pet games and minigame collections. The state of motion controlled gaming is no different on Wii (or the Kinect for that matter). I don't know what other Move owners are looking for, but I'd love to see a really great strategy game which used the Move (Under Siege doesn't qualify). This disappearance of Sorcery is also troubling.

Happily, I strongly suspect my Move usage with shoot up 1000% once the LBP Move pack hits.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

gamer620

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Wii has a lot of niche titles, I used to be disappointed in the system, until I realized just how many niche gems there were on it. Now it is my favorite console this gen.

Maroxad

It's the only console I really like this gen. My 360 barely gets played and I don't think it'd be any different with the PS3.

I havent touched my 360 in a while, and the only games I really enjoyed was Demons Souls and Valkyria Chronicles on the PS3. LittleBigPlanet 2 was fun as well and so was flower. But outside of those 4, I havent enjoyed a single game on the PS3. None of the upcoming games interest me on either HD twin.

With the Wii however, I am enjoying the heck out of Xenoblade right now, and in the future there will be Zelda, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower.

Don't forget Kirby: Return to Dreamland and Dragon Quest X!

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]The sales of Goldeneye and Sonic Colors tell me otherwise.Haziqonfire

Well then you can take it up with nintendo.

http://gamingbolt.com/third-party-sales-on-wii-are-especially-low-says-iwata

He's talking about Japan -- Worldwide, the Wii has seen success from different third party IPs like I mentioned earlier in this thread.

[QUOTE="gamer620"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

GD1551

The first game on the Wii at launch in Japan it sold 10K and at launch it was Suda 51's best selling game.

So if 10K is his best selling game before No More Heroes he is a Niche developer.

Yes it is a late port of a Niche game.

The first game on the Wii at launch in Japan it sold 10K and at launch it was Suda 51's best selling game.

So if 10K is his best selling game before No More Heroes he is a Niche developer.

Nintendo_Ownes7

I know, it was a rhetorical question.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

gamer620

Even if he's referring to japan alone it's that way across the board. The third party IPs the receive the big sales are stuff like just dance and carnival games...GD1551

Yes, but what third party Wii games besides Monster Hunter Tri and Epic Mickey have been given the same treatment from third party developers? If developers aren't willing to give the Wii games from top tier developers then they shouldn't expect runaway successes.

And like I mentioned about Xenoblade on the first page or so -- The link given has no proof of 30,000 sales figures.

[QUOTE="gamer620"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

nintendoboy16

Three year late ports never sell as well as the original, especially when the port is a sloppy one. Also, given that NMH2 sank without a trace, its likely that as with Red Steel, it was just a game people curious about the fuctionality of the Wiimote bought early in the life of the system (the sequels to both games died quiet deaths, indicating that few who bought the originals fell in love with them).

http://www.1up.com/reviews/review-heroes-heroes-paradise-ps3

Finicky Move support and an inexcusable frame rate will send you running back to the Wii.

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

GD1551

Just like Shadows of the Damned right? oh wait.... 30k combined

You really have to put this against how much they shipped, which i doubt is anywhere near 100k.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Wii has a lot of niche titles, I used to be disappointed in the system, until I realized just how many niche gems there were on it. Now it is my favorite console this gen.

Maroxad

It's the only console I really like this gen. My 360 barely gets played and I don't think it'd be any different with the PS3.

I havent touched my 360 in a while, and the only games I really enjoyed was Demons Souls and Valkyria Chronicles on the PS3. LittleBigPlanet 2 was fun as well and so was flower. But outside of those 4, I havent enjoyed a single game on the PS3. None of the upcoming games interest me on either HD twin.

With the Wii however, I am enjoying the heck out of Xenoblade right now, and in the future there will be Zelda, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower.

So you are not intersted in Ni nu kuni, Tales of graces f, Tals of Xillia, catherine, el shaddai, Dark souls, Disgaea 4...etc

To me it seems you are not looking for th right games on PS3 well and I understand that its hard to find this games especially with all the the shooting games whih are flooding the market.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

The Wii has a lot of niche titles, I used to be disappointed in the system, until I realized just how many niche gems there were on it. Now it is my favorite console this gen.

peterw007

It's the only console I really like this gen. My 360 barely gets played and I don't think it'd be any different with the PS3.

EXACTLY! 100% TRUE.

There are 50+ niche gems for the Wii that get overlooked time and time again.

I've loved the Wii as I loved the Gamecube...classic, unique titles on an under-appreciated system.

Anybody have a list of those 50+ niche gem games that get overlooked?

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

It's the only console I really like this gen. My 360 barely gets played and I don't think it'd be any different with the PS3.

Kashiwaba

I havent touched my 360 in a while, and the only games I really enjoyed was Demons Souls and Valkyria Chronicles on the PS3. LittleBigPlanet 2 was fun as well and so was flower. But outside of those 4, I havent enjoyed a single game on the PS3. None of the upcoming games interest me on either HD twin.

With the Wii however, I am enjoying the heck out of Xenoblade right now, and in the future there will be Zelda, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower.

So you are not intersted in Ni nu kuni, Tales of graces f, Tals of Xillia, catherine, el shaddai, Dark souls, Disgaea 4...etc

To me it seems you are not looking for th right games on PS3 well and I understand that its hard to find this games especially with all the the shooting games whih are flooding the market.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

This is what happens when you release a core game on the wii. 360/PS3 would have been at least 100k units in EU and more in the US.

shutdown_202

Just like Shadows of the Damned right? oh wait.... 30k combined

You really have to put this against how much they shipped, which i doubt is anywhere near 100k.

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

I havent touched my 360 in a while, and the only games I really enjoyed was Demons Souls and Valkyria Chronicles on the PS3. LittleBigPlanet 2 was fun as well and so was flower. But outside of those 4, I havent enjoyed a single game on the PS3. None of the upcoming games interest me on either HD twin.

With the Wii however, I am enjoying the heck out of Xenoblade right now, and in the future there will be Zelda, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower.

ShuichiChamp24

So you are not intersted in Ni nu kuni, Tales of graces f, Tals of Xillia, catherine, el shaddai, Dark souls, Disgaea 4...etc

To me it seems you are not looking for th right games on PS3 well and I understand that its hard to find this games especially with all the the shooting games whih are flooding the market.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

I havent touched my 360 in a while, and the only games I really enjoyed was Demons Souls and Valkyria Chronicles on the PS3. LittleBigPlanet 2 was fun as well and so was flower. But outside of those 4, I havent enjoyed a single game on the PS3. None of the upcoming games interest me on either HD twin.

With the Wii however, I am enjoying the heck out of Xenoblade right now, and in the future there will be Zelda, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower.

Kashiwaba

So you are not intersted in Ni nu kuni, Tales of graces f, Tals of Xillia, catherine, el shaddai, Dark souls, Disgaea 4...etc

To me it seems you are not looking for th right games on PS3 well and I understand that its hard to find this games especially with all the the shooting games whih are flooding the market.

Ok, I will give you dark souls, a game I pre-ordered on the PS3 some time ago.

But the rest of the upcoming games are meh so far. Not into tales games or disgaea. I like Level 5, but so far I am not feeling it for Ni No Kuni. El Shaddai and Catherine have already been released, I am considering Catherine once it drops in price.

] But you said you don't care about anything on both HD twins anyway i was talking about both HD twins not ps3 but you are right if you own both 360/ps3 one of them will collect dust.Kashiwaba

Of the few game out on the Wii that I care about, Xenoblade is one. This is not cool on Nintendo NA's part. I mean, the damn game is already in english. How expensive would it be to ship to NA? And from the insane monet they already make, can they take this one for the team and ship it to their fans lol?

Of the few game out on the Wii that I care about, Xenoblade is one. This is not cool on Nintendo NA's part. I mean, the damn game is already in english. How expensive would it be to ship to NA? And from the insane monet they already make, can they take this one for the team and ship it to their fans lol?

TREAL_Since

Nintendo never takes one for the team! I'm surprised the 3DS price dropped so quickly!

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

Of the few game out on the Wii that I care about, Xenoblade is one. This is not cool on Nintendo NA's part. I mean, the damn game is already in english. How expensive would it be to ship to NA? And from the insane monet they already make, can they take this one for the team and ship it to their fans lol?

GD1551

Nintendo never takes one for the team! I'm surprised the 3DS price dropped so quickly!

I also thinkNintendo did a bad job with marketing to the casual DS community, concerning the 3DS. I guarantee most original DS owners simply looked at the 3DS as a minor upgrade, similar to what the DS Lite was. I bet many casual consumers looked at it and said, "I have a DS already, I don't need it yet".

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Just imagine: If Zelda Skyward Sword was a new IP developed by a Nintendo owned studio in Japan, it would probably never make it to NA. Weird huh? Its like they only want games like Mario Kart and Wii Party over here :(.

From what I've heard, the game is ridiculously hard to find in stores in Europe - it's always out of stock. Nintendo undershipped this game, and that's why the number is so low.

Cheese-Muffins

I can't speak for the entirety of Europe but that statement is false, at least where I live.
I had a conversation with a game store clerk the other day while picking up Deus Ex, he told me only a few people bought Xenoblade and they still had plenty in stock.