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Being Asian, I am deeply offended that the Japanese Gaming industry only have one popular game series with Asian faces. The rest are nothing but White, white, whites. I mean if Hollywood isnt willing to put Asian faces on the big screen, Atleast they can..but they still choose not to. Its like they're scared or shamed to represent their own people
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[QUOTE="ZIVX"]
Street Fighter? Ninja Gaiden?
hakanakumono
Street fighter, are you kidding me? Ryu is supposedly Japanese but looks nothing of Asian descent. it's like they wished they didnt look Asian
They have very different ideas of what it means to "look Japanese." Ryu could pass as Japanese.
Im Asian and I've never seen a Japanese person who looks like this.
What about Soul Calibur? Mitsurugi looks pretty damn Japanese to me, albeit not the pretty boy Japanese but the rough manly man Japanese.
What about Soul Calibur? Mitsurugi looks pretty damn Japanese to me, albeit not the pretty boy Japanese but the rough manly man Japanese.
Vesica_Prime
sorry he looks pure caucasian in a Japanese samurai outfit. A Manly Japanese in samurai outfit in real life should look something like this with the eyes and all
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[QUOTE="killu-later"]
Street fighter, are you kidding me? Ryu is supposedly Japanese but looks nothing of Asian descent. it's like they wished they didnt look Asian
killu-later
They have very different ideas of what it means to "look Japanese." Ryu could pass as Japanese.
Im Asian and I've never seen a Japanese person who looks like this.
He's a cartoon that's exaggerated.
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What about Soul Calibur? Mitsurugi looks pretty damn Japanese to me, albeit not the pretty boy Japanese but the rough manly man Japanese.
killu-later
sorry he looks pure caucasian in a Japanese samurai outfit. A Manly Japanese in samurai outfit in real life should look something like this with the eyes and all
Not all Japanese people have slanted, skinny eyes.
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]
They have very different ideas of what it means to "look Japanese." Ryu could pass as Japanese.
hakanakumono
Im Asian and I've never seen a Japanese person who looks like this.
He's a cartoon that's exaggerated.
fine, here
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
I'm sorry but no. This is a games market, there is an artistic aspect to it which I respect but the other reality is that its easier to sell a white face in the West than an asian one or a black one. So be it. Its video games man, the protagonists race or look will not make the game better or worse. If you look at the japanese market, many more of the in country produced titles feature characters more in tune with the "taste" (and I use this losely) of the game buying market. Its not racism that most game characters out of the West are white when most of the people who design the games are white. That's just common sense.
ActicEdge
im sorry but, you being Black should know better than to sweep Race related issues under the rug. How would you feel if I just told you to forget about slavery, whats done is done? Because that's exactly what you just told me......"So be it.....common sense.....forget it". This is a serious issue. The Japanese devs are basically saying that looking caucasian is the right way to look, that you can never make it big looking Asian. The sad thing is they dont know that they have the power to put out more Asian faces so that it wont look as weird when people see Asian faces on the big screen or in lead roles. But they choose not to and instead, keep telling their own kind that Caucasian looking faces are the only way to make it big
This is hardly an issue. Forgeting slavery and forgeting that there aren't many multi cultural video game characters aren't comparable. (not to mention black people were not the only people in this world to be enslaved but another story all together) You my friend are using a strawman, presenting an argument both extremely simplistic and completely missing the point. The asian devs are not saying looking Asian is wrong by creating white characters, how you even think you are qualified to make that assumption in itself is ridiculous but the fact that you think that there is some sort of hidden agenda pushing is what I find the most amusing.
Let's break it down. No actually let's make it simple. You aim a title towards the west, you better have characters that appeal to western audiences. The majority of western game purchasers are 18-335 year old white males. What type of character will appeal to them must? Well I would assume someone who is white and in that age range. If that is your target, you shoot to appeal to them. So be it, its not going to be the end of the world. It won't make lesser quality titles. It might offend people who are hung up on race I suppose but they probably don't even buy games as a whole. Would more multi culture in games be a plus? Yeah I would agree it would. Is it a big deal as of now? I would argue its not.
So you are saying that all Japanese games with White leads are made solely to appeal to the West? onbiously you are wrong there because most of the Japanese classics were made with Japanese language as the prime, then later dubbed in English when the West get a grip of it years later. And I'm sure the Japanese dont make games solely to target white males ages 18-35 yrs in age...if that was the case they wouldnt have characters looking like this
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
[QUOTE="killu-later"]
im sorry but, you being Black should know better than to sweep Race related issues under the rug. How would you feel if I just told you to forget about slavery, whats done is done? Because that's exactly what you just told me......"So be it.....common sense.....forget it". This is a serious issue. The Japanese devs are basically saying that looking caucasian is the right way to look, that you can never make it big looking Asian. The sad thing is they dont know that they have the power to put out more Asian faces so that it wont look as weird when people see Asian faces on the big screen or in lead roles. But they choose not to and instead, keep telling their own kind that Caucasian looking faces are the only way to make it big
killu-later
This is hardly an issue. Forgeting slavery and forgeting that there aren't many multi cultural video game characters aren't comparable. (not to mention black people were not the only people in this world to be enslaved but another story all together) You my friend are using a strawman, presenting an argument both extremely simplistic and completely missing the point. The asian devs are not saying looking Asian is wrong by creating white characters, how you even think you are qualified to make that assumption in itself is ridiculous but the fact that you think that there is some sort of hidden agenda pushing is what I find the most amusing.
Let's break it down. No actually let's make it simple. You aim a title towards the west, you better have characters that appeal to western audiences. The majority of western game purchasers are 18-335 year old white males. What type of character will appeal to them must? Well I would assume someone who is white and in that age range. If that is your target, you shoot to appeal to them. So be it, its not going to be the end of the world. It won't make lesser quality titles. It might offend people who are hung up on race I suppose but they probably don't even buy games as a whole. Would more multi culture in games be a plus? Yeah I would agree it would. Is it a big deal as of now? I would argue its not.
So you are saying that all Japanese games with White leads are made solely to appeal to the West? onbiously you are wrong there because most of the Japanese classics were made with Japanese language as the prime, then later dubbed in English when the West get a grip of it years later. And I'm sure the Japanese dont make games solely to target white males ages 18-35 yrs in age...if that was the case they wouldnt have characters looking like this
No, I'm saying however that you target your audience. Dynasty Warriors, Sengoku Basara and Yakuza for example have distinctly Japanese characters. They sell best in Japan. Resident Evil for example has characters from america, it also sees the majority of its sales in america. Make sense?
Just as an aside. It makes sense that the home region of game development sees release first. European games release in Europe first. North American games release in north america first. Asian titles release in Asia first.
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
This is hardly an issue. Forgeting slavery and forgeting that there aren't many multi cultural video game characters aren't comparable. (not to mention black people were not the only people in this world to be enslaved but another story all together) You my friend are using a strawman, presenting an argument both extremely simplistic and completely missing the point. The asian devs are not saying looking Asian is wrong by creating white characters, how you even think you are qualified to make that assumption in itself is ridiculous but the fact that you think that there is some sort of hidden agenda pushing is what I find the most amusing.
Let's break it down. No actually let's make it simple. You aim a title towards the west, you better have characters that appeal to western audiences. The majority of western game purchasers are 18-335 year old white males. What type of character will appeal to them must? Well I would assume someone who is white and in that age range. If that is your target, you shoot to appeal to them. So be it, its not going to be the end of the world. It won't make lesser quality titles. It might offend people who are hung up on race I suppose but they probably don't even buy games as a whole. Would more multi culture in games be a plus? Yeah I would agree it would. Is it a big deal as of now? I would argue its not.
ActicEdge
So you are saying that all Japanese games with White leads are made solely to appeal to the West? onbiously you are wrong there because most of the Japanese classics were made with Japanese language as the prime, then later dubbed in English when the West get a grip of it years later. And I'm sure the Japanese dont make games solely to target white males ages 18-35 yrs in age...if that was the case they wouldnt have characters looking like this
No, I'm saying however that you target your audience. Dynasty Warriors, Sengoku Basara and Yakuza for example have distinctly Japanese characters. They sell best in Japan. Resident Evil for example has characters from america, it also sees the majority of its sales in america. Make sense?
How about Final fantasy, Devil may cry, pokemon, yugioh, old resident evil, silent hill, etc. All these games were made before they even cared about appealing to the West.
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]
[QUOTE="killu-later"]
So you are saying that all Japanese games with White leads are made solely to appeal to the West? onbiously you are wrong there because most of the Japanese classics were made with Japanese language as the prime, then later dubbed in English when the West get a grip of it years later. And I'm sure the Japanese dont make games solely to target white males ages 18-35 yrs in age...if that was the case they wouldnt have characters looking like this
killu-later
No, I'm saying however that you target your audience. Dynasty Warriors, Sengoku Basara and Yakuza for example have distinctly Japanese characters. They sell best in Japan. Resident Evil for example has characters from america, it also sees the majority of its sales in america. Make sense?
How about Final fantasy, Devil may cry, pokemon, yugioh, old resident evil, silent hill, etc. All these games were made before they even cared about appealing to the West.
Shrug, you can argue they didn't care about appealing to the west but I would argue most of those series obtained more than 50% of their sales from the West and so global appeal very well could have been part of the plan. Its also alot harder to show something as destinctly Asian when you are working on PS1, gameboy colour hardware. I would argue that while pokemon and yu gi oh portray what I guess you would consider white characters, they are stylized in an anime fashion which is a japanese ****as well.
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