Yet Another Developer Bashing the Inferior PS3

Here we go again... Another Ps3 Developer explains just "exactly why ports to the ps3 will never be as good as their 360 counter parts, and why most ps3 exclusives will likely continue to suck". HAHAHHA. What you got to say about THAT cows?

Source: http://kotaku.com/gaming/console-wars/ex+harmonix-dev-has-harsh-words-for-playstation-3-315704.php

Yet another opinion... *yawn*

THIS matters?

But when devs say that this gameCANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT BLU RAY, it doesnt matter?

THIS matters?

But when devs say that this gameCANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT BLU RAY, it doesnt matter?

therealmcc0y

Developers are not Gods. What they say is not infallable. Their opinions hold more weight than a fanboys, but they are no where near fact. People forget that part.

Yes, the PS3 is more difficult to code for, but it gets easier every day. Its not like no one knows how to do it, and as multicore systems become the norm, it will get easier to program for.

Yet another opinion... *yawn*

SpruceCaboose

Didn't they say that about HS even though it was waht 5-6 hours long? and about Lair to?

Another developer?? who was the other one?XenoNinja

Developers keep making back and forths about how PS3 is hard to dev for, and then one will say the 360 lacks space, etc...its rather dull.

Another developer?? who was the other one?XenoNinja

Gabe Newell of Valve and Nolan Bushnell of Atari are two which spring to mind.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Another developer?? who was the other one?[/QUOTE

Gabe Newell

Is it just me or are devs all becoming fanboys?

Is it just me or are devs all becoming fanboys?

Devs speaking the TRUTH man. This is what truth looks like, a pittful loss for sony this generation.

sexy_chimp

ROFL @ the PS3!!

Yeah because we all know Guitar Hero is known for it's high scale details and graphics

PS3 needs time. Its just Lemmings arent giving it any, because they know its gonna own them in the future, so they bash us now while they can

Yeah because Guitar Hero displays alot of detail and graphics:roll:sakura_Ex

hey listen guy... this is a developer speaking. He's worked on the ps3 and I think that gives him a little bit more clout than you or I. It's just another step closer to affirming my original theory that the ps3 is indeed actually just the PS 2.5, only with a nice movie player attached to it.

[QUOTE="sakura_Ex"]Yeah because Guitar Hero displays alot of detail and graphics:roll:oomph_aah

hey listen guy... this is a developer speaking. He's worked on the ps3 and I think that gives him a little bit more clout than you or I. It's just another step closer to affirming my original theory that the ps3 is indeed actually just the PS 2.5, only with a nice movie player attached to it.

Lol, indeed.

You know? Epic said Gears of War wasn't possible on the PS3 due to ram.Now were seeing games that have equal or better graphics like Uncharted and UTIII on the PS3.

Developers will always complain about their or another company's console. But later on, they will stop whinning and figure it out.

[QUOTE="sakura_Ex"]Yeah because Guitar Hero displays alot of detail and graphics:roll:oomph_aah

hey listen guy... this is a developer speaking. He's worked on the ps3 and I think that gives him a little bit more clout than you or I. It's just another step closer to affirming my original theory that the ps3 is indeed actually just the PS 2.5, only with a nice movie player attached to it.

[QUOTE="sakura_Ex"]Yeah because Guitar Hero displays alot of detail and graphics:roll:oomph_aah

hey listen guy... this is just 1 developer speaking. He's worked on the ps2 but left /got fired from Harmonix and now bashes the PS3 and I think that gives him a little to no credibility. It's just another step closer to affirming my original theory that the Xbox 360 is indeed actually just the Xbox 1.5, only with a high failure rate that doesn't come with a HDD standard like the original Xbox did.

Fixed*

You know? Epic said Gears of War wasn't possible on the PS3 due to ram.Now were seeing games that have equal or better graphics like Uncharted and UTIII on the PS3.

Developers will always complain about their or another company's console. But later on, they will stop whinning and figure it out.

leviathan91

First of all... Uncharted DOES NOT look better than Gears.. you are INSANE. I seen the latest videos on gametrailers, those were some fugly explosions and water effects. Not saying it wont look better by the time it gets released... but form everything we seen SO FAR, I have no idea how you come to that sort of conclusion. Secondly, Unreal 3 is scheduled to come out for 360 as well, and we have really no idea what the graphical differences will be between the two, no visual comparisions have been made yet, as far as I know.

Btw.. here is your ps 2.5's holy grail of graphics, pay attention closely, and tell me those explosions don't look like baloons popping...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26770.html

THIS matters?

But when devs say that this gameCANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT BLU RAY, it doesnt matter?

therealmcc0y

yes factor 5 said that lair could only be done with blu-ray...

[QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

THIS matters?

But when devs say that this gameCANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT BLU RAY, it doesnt matter?

jlh47

yes factor 5 said that lair could only be done with blu-ray...

yup, and we all know how that turned out...

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

You know? Epic said Gears of War wasn't possible on the PS3 due to ram.Now were seeing games that have equal or better graphics like Uncharted and UTIII on the PS3.

Developers will always complain about their or another company's console. But later on, they will stop whinning and figure it out.

oomph_aah

First of all... Uncharted DOES NOT look better than Gears.. you are INSANE. I seen the latest videos on gametrailers, those were some fugly explosions and water effects. Not saying it wont look better by the time it gets released... but form everything we seen SO FAR, I have no idea how you come to that sort of conclusion. Secondly, Unreal 3 is scheduled to come out for 360 as well, and we have really no idea what the graphical differences will be between the two, no visual comparisions have been made yet, as far as I know.

Btw.. here is your ps 2.5's holy grail of graphics, pay attention closely, and tell me those explosions don't look like baloons popping...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26770.html

Yeah, an explosion makes the game's graphics crappy. Oh well. :roll: Uncharted's grapihcs have a different type of graphics and it has amazing textures like Gears of War and more colors (lol, I couldn't resist. :D). I know UTIII is multiplat on all systems (except for the Wii) but UTIII shows that Gears of War can bedone on the PS3 since UTIII looks a lot better than Gears.

What I'm trying to say is that developers will complain and later on, they'll figure it out.

Yes let's all listen to someone who gave Halo 3 (which looks last gen graphically) a 10 when it comes to game's graphics.sakura_Ex

I would say in between. The graphics are great but the marinecharacter models look like crap, framerate issues at certian parts of the game (although rarely), and it's a jagfest.

[QUOTE="oomph_aah"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

THIS matters?

But when devs say that this gameCANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT BLU RAY, it doesnt matter?

therealmcc0y

yes factor 5 said that lair could only be done with blu-ray...

yup, and we all know how that turned out...

No i believe they were right, have u seen the graphics, and how many enemys in the sky and just overall very beautifull... but it turns out it was unfinished game with terrible control scheme... which is all down to the devs

Liar was terrible. It was the worst game I've ever played with. It's not even worth a rental.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]Another developer?? who was the other one?[/QUOTE

Gabe Newell

oomph_aah

When Gabe actually makes a game for PS3 I will respect his opinion. Perhaps if I want to know what is better between McDonalds and Burger King I will ask him otherwise he can STFU. This other guy was a Harmonix dev. Those music games really push a systems potential.

I am sick of seeing this ex-hamonix guy used as ownage did anyone notice he started as a sound engineer and he's has worked for 3 different companies in like 6 years don't you think if he was some expert developer companies would try to keep him around.The fact is he is a low level guy with limited experience. I'm not going to say the ps3 is a flawless machine because its not but top tier console devs like kojima's team, like naughty dog, like insomniac are all getting spectacular results with the machine performance wise it has its flaws but every console has its flaws. Most of the devs complaining are PC devs or devs with limited console development and cannot wrap their heads around the dramatically different achitecture, trying to program the ps3 like a pc you are obviously going to run into huge issues and think the machine has major flaws but as more and more devs figure out the do and do nots of ps3 programming you will see more and more better results.

Is the machine as good as sony hyped it obviously not. This guy may have some vaild points about the system from his standpoint but other devs have said the machine is very powerful and versatile. He has a valid opinion but his opinion is not universal and like I pointed out earlier using this guy as ownage is pretty weak seeing his admitted limited experience with the system one game to be specific where he was low level guy and the game itself doesn't push grpahical boundries on any of the systems its on and is multiplat so they really didn't explore the PS3 hardware like someone who developed an exclusive game and coded for the ps3 specifically. Obviously you are going to be frustrated with the system if you are doing a cross platform game the difference between pc 360, and ps3 is quite a big one from a programming standpoint because of the cell's design.

The ps2 was also hugely critized for its design in the early stages and throughout its life but experienced console developers got some great results with the machine. I expect the same with the ps3 and whether the system comes 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in salesw doersn'ty really matter outside system wars as long as you like the games on and coming out for the system.

How is this thread not locked? If I made a thread with the title "Yet another Developer bashing the inferior 360" and provided a quote from a developer about how the internal bandwidth prior to getting to the eDRAM wasn't really enough and how the split memory in the PS3 actually afforded more bandwidth it would be locked in a second.

Please lock this. The title is a troll.

[QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

THIS matters?

But when devs say that this gameCANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT BLU RAY, it doesnt matter?

SpruceCaboose

Developers are not Gods. What they say is not infallable. Their opinions hold more weight than a fanboys, but they are no where near fact. People forget that part.

Yes, the PS3 is more difficult to code for, but it gets easier every day. Its not like no one knows how to do it, and as multicore systems become the norm, it will get easier to program for.

developers know alot more than you my friend. I think a developers opinions holds alot of weight.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

THIS matters?

But when devs say that this gameCANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT BLU RAY, it doesnt matter?

Reyes360

Developers are not Gods. What they say is not infallable. Their opinions hold more weight than a fanboys, but they are no where near fact. People forget that part.

Yes, the PS3 is more difficult to code for, but it gets easier every day. Its not like no one knows how to do it, and as multicore systems become the norm, it will get easier to program for.

developers know alot more than you my friend. I think a developers opinions holds alot of weight.

Especially Gabe.

Lets paraphrase:

He echoes "Gabe Newell's"(I think he KNOWS what he's talking about)assessment of the PlayStation 3 hardware , writing that "code needed to make the PS3 work is most likely only useful to you on the PS3" and that the reasons for dedicating the effort to optimizing the hardware are dwindling, dooming it to third place in the current generation forever. Cell and Blu-ray may wind up being nothing but hindrances.

it's certainly difficult to disagree that the current third-party offerings on the PlayStation 3 are disheartening. Games perform worse, they're often delayed and they are often devoid of features their predecessors or Xbox 360 counterparts ship with. ports to the ps3 will never be as good as their 360 counter parts, and most ps3 exclusives will likely continue to SUCK!!! :P

PS3 needs time. Its just Lemmings arent giving it any, because they know its gonna own them in the future, so they bash us now while they can

therealmcc0y

If Kojima says that ps3 is better, who cares what this guys have to say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LF53hLUzpg

How is this thread not locked? If I made a thread with the title "Yet another Developer bashing the inferior 360" and provided a quote from a developer about how the internal bandwidth prior to getting to the eDRAM wasn't really enough and how the split memory in the PS3 actually afforded more bandwidth it would be locked in a second.

Please lock this. The title is a troll.

4D_RROD_GC1_5

Yeah, not suprising to see them lock threads that expose 360 flaws and praise PS3 attributes fairly quickly around these parts, as this forum is overflowing with some of the most notorious fanboy lemmings that you will ever see. Most of which claim they are unbiased, yet they can never bring themselves to even acknowledge any of the flaws that the 360 has or any of the pros that the PS3 has. As far as this thread goes though, lol:lol:.

The statements were made by a guy who got fired from Harmonix while developing 'Rock Band,' but of course he obviously has his opinion....which is already being/has been proven wrong by the likes of Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Kojima, Ninja Theory, StarBreeze, Infinity Ward, Team Ninja, ect. All have which said that the PS3 has loads of potential, and most of who are proving it by making great games for it. I will take their work and word over some guy who got fired from Harmonix during the making of 'Rock Band' anyday, lol.

Lets paraphrase:

He echoes "Gabe Newell's"(I think he KNOWS what he's talking about)assessment of the PlayStation 3 hardware , writing that "code needed to make the PS3 work is most likely only useful to you on the PS3" and that the reasons for dedicating the effort to optimizing the hardware are dwindling, dooming it to third place in the current generation forever. Cell and Blu-ray may wind up being nothing but hindrances.

it's certainly difficult to disagree that the current third-party offerings on the PlayStation 3 are disheartening. Games perform worse, they're often delayed and they are often devoid of features their predecessors or Xbox 360 counterparts ship with. ports to the ps3 will never be as good as their 360 counter parts, and most ps3 exclusives will likely continue to SUCK!!! :P

jazreal

Cant find the link but games that are built seperately to the 360 counter part on PS3 have been actually turning out better than the 360 version. For example COD4 and Burnout Paradise.

On the 1up Your podcast a while back they mentioned that Burnout looked noticably better on the PS3 than the 360 with the PS3 version being the lead platform.

The problem is that most of these games that are ported from 360 to PS3 have a couple of things going against it.

First off the devs only use the PPE and don't even touch the SPUs while using all 3 cores of the 360. So they cram 3 cores worth of info into 1. Yeah that should make for a better game.

Secondly the 360 GPU is better at Vertex processing than the RSX. When you build your game with x amount of vertices and then have to put it on something that cant handle it.

Thirdly there is now ~48 Mb of Ram less on PS3 available. This used to be much higher but has been cut down as time goes on.

You post is junk by the way. Fud much?

"PS3 exclusives will always suck".... That's a little drastic. Sure, the multiplats have been worse on the PS3, but to sugest that FFXIII, MGS4, Uncharted and the like will "suck" is ridiculous. We all know better than that.

Another developer?? who was the other one?XenoNinja

don't you come here often?... lots of them complain about the PS3 being hard to develop for