You have a PC. Why not upgrade it, instead of buying a console?

]I said when it comes to games, not to the console... you don't experiance crashes when you are playing a console games, and if so it's due to the hardware... I've owned a PS2 for now 5-6 years, and no game has ever crashed on me. On the PC (dunno if it's vista) some games seem to crash randomly, gears of war crashes but not Unreal Tournement 3, NHL 08 crashes randomly, The witcher also. I mean it crashes once in a day-2 day, and it happens really randomly but it makes me mad when I lose a save etc. haris12121212

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

so whats the point in listening to the TC basing on what you said. he says why not upgrade it instead of buying a console. you say you do not need to max a game to play it.

edit: WTF i just realise you are the TC. what the hell contradiction much??!!!!

PandaBear86

has anyone realised the contradiction that just happened in these posts. yes im quoting myself because this is just really confusing.

With PC gaming, you have a choice between whether you want to stick with old hardware and save money, or if you want new hardware and get the best graphics. However, you do not NEED to have new hardware to play most new games. How is this a contradiction?

so wtf is the point in this thread. if you don't have to upgrade your pc, whats so wrong about people buying a console. thats where your contradicting yourself. you first tell people they should save up and spend money on upgrading their pc, but now your saying its alright because you do not need to have new hardware.

No TBS, no RTS, no MMO, no simulation, no adventure ftl.Vandalvideo

....What exactly was the point of this post?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]

No TBS, no RTS, no MMO, no simulation, no adventure ftl.Gunraidan

....What exactly was the point of this post?

Also, in terms of appeal to the general consumer, I think they find consoles more convenient. Accuse them of being ignorant if you want, but thats the way it is. They don't want the hassle that comes with upgrading and having to install games, download patches. Might seem like nothing to Hermits, but to the majority, it is something. Quofan

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

so whats the point in listening to the TC basing on what you said. he says why not upgrade it instead of buying a console. you say you do not need to max a game to play it.

edit: WTF i just realise you are the TC. what the hell contradiction much??!!!!

Arjdagr8

has anyone realised the contradiction that just happened in these posts. yes im quoting myself because this is just really confusing.

With PC gaming, you have a choice between whether you want to stick with old hardware and save money, or if you want new hardware and get the best graphics. However, you do not NEED to have new hardware to play most new games. How is this a contradiction?

so wtf is the point in this thread. if you don't have to upgrade your pc, whats so wrong about people buying a console. thats where your contradicting yourself. you first tell people they should save up and spend money on upgrading their pc, but now your saying its alright because you do not need to have new hardware.

I never said there is anything "wrong" with buying a console. I have a PS2, Wii and 360, but PC gaming is my personal favorite. I am addressing this thread towards the people who play games primarily on their console while leaving their PC in the dust.

I find playing on a controller far more comfortable than playing on a mouse and keyboard.SpinoRaptor

I personally hate the idea of staring at a sea of keys and just thinking, no, just no. Give me something with just a few buttons and im happy. Ive never really gotten round to buying a gamepad for my laptop, though, and since don't like shooters, I doubt i'll have to use a k/b and mouse any time soon anyway, just the mouse.

Ah, the beauty of simplicity.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor"]I find playing on a controller far more comfortable than playing on a mouse and keyboard.Quofan

I personally hate the idea of staring at a sea of keys and just thinking, no, just no. Give me something with just a few buttons and im happy. Ive never really gotten round to buying a gamepad for my laptop, though, and since don't like shooters, I doubt i'll have to use a k/b and mouse any time soon anyway, just the mouse.

Ah, the beauty of simplicity.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]

It does not have my favourite genre aka JRPGs... no FF, no KH, no Suikoden, no Tales of, No Disgaea, No Star Ocean... fail...

I only use the pc for mainly fps and rts games. Not to mention that consoles are more stable when it comes to games than PC...

haris12121212

I take it you dont own a 360? because pretty much all my games have crashed at some point... even the Arcade ones a few times.

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"][QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

so whats the point in listening to the TC basing on what you said. he says why not upgrade it instead of buying a console. you say you do not need to max a game to play it.

edit: WTF i just realise you are the TC. what the hell contradiction much??!!!!

PandaBear86

has anyone realised the contradiction that just happened in these posts. yes im quoting myself because this is just really confusing.

With PC gaming, you have a choice between whether you want to stick with old hardware and save money, or if you want new hardware and get the best graphics. However, you do not NEED to have new hardware to play most new games. How is this a contradiction?

so wtf is the point in this thread. if you don't have to upgrade your pc, whats so wrong about people buying a console. thats where your contradicting yourself. you first tell people they should save up and spend money on upgrading their pc, but now your saying its alright because you do not need to have new hardware.

I never said there is anything "wrong" with buying a console. I have a PS2, Wii and 360, but PC gaming is my personal favorite. I am addressing this thread towards the people who play games primarily on their console while leaving their PC in the dust.

so if theres nothing wrong why are you asking people to upgrade the pc instead of buying a console. they can play pc games and game on consoles.

[QUOTE="Quofan"]Also, in terms of appeal to the general consumer, I think they find consoles more convenient. Accuse them of being ignorant if you want, but thats the way it is. They don't want the hassle that comes with upgrading and having to install games, download patches. Might seem like nothing to Hermits, but to the majority, it is something. Vandalvideo

I think Medieval 2 Total War among other games disagrees with you there. Apparently upon release it could take up to half an hour. It would be silly to assume every game takes 3 minutes to install. Possibly the majority, but not all. And anyway, its not difficult, but most people just don't have the patience. What really bugs me is the nerve of Microsoft to give us Vista with the assumption its better because its a new OS, only for half my older games not to even run.

Again, minimum system requirements and recommended as well is a chore for most consumers who arent knowledgable about such things. At least I can say I know a little bit about it, but the average persn is not a gaming geek like 99% of these forums. On most PC game boxes it says "or equivalent" - how is a member of the general population supposed to know these things? How do they know if they are trying to run Civ 4 that the processor they have is "equivalent" to a 1.2 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor or AMD Athlon, if they own neither an Athlon or a Pentium 4 1.2 GHz.

But back to my original point - most people want simplicity, they don't see PC gaming as simple compared to consoles. Look at the hassle people have trying to run games like Crysis.

[QUOTE="Quofan"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor"]I find playing on a controller far more comfortable than playing on a mouse and keyboard.Vandalvideo

I personally hate the idea of staring at a sea of keys and just thinking, no, just no. Give me something with just a few buttons and im happy. Ive never really gotten round to buying a gamepad for my laptop, though, and since don't like shooters, I doubt i'll have to use a k/b and mouse any time soon anyway, just the mouse.

Ah, the beauty of simplicity.

It would be solved if I had any games I wanted to use a gamepad with the PC for :P

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Quofan"]Also, in terms of appeal to the general consumer, I think they find consoles more convenient. Accuse them of being ignorant if you want, but thats the way it is. They don't want the hassle that comes with upgrading and having to install games, download patches. Might seem like nothing to Hermits, but to the majority, it is something. Quofan

I think Medieval 2 Total War among other games disagrees with you there. Apparently upon release it could take up to half an hour. It would be silly to assume every game takes 3 minutes to install. Possibly the majority, but not all. And anyway, its not difficult, but most people just don't have the patience. What really bugs me is the nerve of Microsoft to give us Vista with the assumption its better because its a new OS, only for half my older games not to even run.

Again, minimum system requirements and recommended as well is a chore for most consumers who arent knowledgable about such things. At least I can say I know a little bit about it, but the average persn is not a gaming geek like 99% of these forums. On most PC game boxes it says "or equivalent" - how is a member of the general population supposed to know these things? How do they know if they are trying to run Civ 4 that the processor they have is "equivalent" to a 1.2 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor or AMD Athlon, if they own neither an Athlon or a Pentium 4 1.2 GHz.

But back to my original point - most people want simplicity, they don't see PC gaming as simple compared to consoles. Look at the hassle people have trying to run games like Crysis.

It would be solved if I had any games I wanted to use a gamepad with the PC for :PQuofan

[QUOTE="Quofan"]It would be solved if I had any games I wanted to use a gamepad with the PC for :PVandalvideo

Of course I can find games that ionterest me, there are plenty....but none I want need a gamepad. Most tend to be RTS or TBS.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Quofan"]It would be solved if I had any games I wanted to use a gamepad with the PC for :PQuofan

Of course I can find games that ionterest me, there are plenty....but none I want need a gamepad. Most tend to be RTS or TBS.

[QUOTE="Quofan"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Quofan"]Also, in terms of appeal to the general consumer, I think they find consoles more convenient. Accuse them of being ignorant if you want, but thats the way it is. They don't want the hassle that comes with upgrading and having to install games, download patches. Might seem like nothing to Hermits, but to the majority, it is something. Vandalvideo

I think Medieval 2 Total War among other games disagrees with you there. Apparently upon release it could take up to half an hour. It would be silly to assume every game takes 3 minutes to install. Possibly the majority, but not all. And anyway, its not difficult, but most people just don't have the patience. What really bugs me is the nerve of Microsoft to give us Vista with the assumption its better because its a new OS, only for half my older games not to even run.

Again, minimum system requirements and recommended as well is a chore for most consumers who arent knowledgable about such things. At least I can say I know a little bit about it, but the average persn is not a gaming geek like 99% of these forums. On most PC game boxes it says "or equivalent" - how is a member of the general population supposed to know these things? How do they know if they are trying to run Civ 4 that the processor they have is "equivalent" to a 1.2 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor or AMD Athlon, if they own neither an Athlon or a Pentium 4 1.2 GHz.

But back to my original point - most people want simplicity, they don't see PC gaming as simple compared to consoles. Look at the hassle people have trying to run games like Crysis.

Exactly what do you define as ancient though?

Exactly what do you define as ancient though?Quofan

[QUOTE="Quofan"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Quofan"]It would be solved if I had any games I wanted to use a gamepad with the PC for :PVandalvideo

Of course I can find games that ionterest me, there are plenty....but none I want need a gamepad. Most tend to be RTS or TBS.

Don't think Ive ever tried TBH. Im used to playing Fire Emblem games but the pointer works better IMO with a mouse. Thats why I was hoping they might add a pointer function to the Wiimnote for the latest installment of the FE series, but sadly they didnt.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, all it takes is an 8800GT, and suddenly I'm playing with better graphics than a 360?PandaBear86

Well I did say that you need 1-2 gigs of RAM and a mid-range dual core processor to compliment the 8800 GT. Most modern PCs should already have this. And yes, once that is done, you will easily beat 360 and PS3 graphics (remember, DMC4 is only 640p) :)

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, all it takes is an 8800GT, and suddenly I'm playing with better graphics than a 360?Bigboi500

Well I did say that you need 1-2 gigs of RAM and a mid-range dual core processor to compliment the 8800 GT. Most modern PCs should already have this. And yes, once that is done, you will easily beat 360 and PS3 graphics (remember, DMC4 is only 640p) :)

My dads PC has a P4 2.4ghz with a 7300GS graphics card (AGP 8x), and still runs many modern games, but not on max details.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, all it takes is an 8800GT, and suddenly I'm playing with better graphics than a 360?Bigboi500

Well I did say that you need 1-2 gigs of RAM and a mid-range dual core processor to compliment the 8800 GT. Most modern PCs should already have this. And yes, once that is done, you will easily beat 360 and PS3 graphics (remember, DMC4 is only 640p) :)

[QUOTE="Quofan"]Exactly what do you define as ancient though?Vandalvideo

What I mean is, I doubt your average consumer is the kind of person to build a specialised gaming rig. So yes, perhaps there is a fair chance they will have "ancient hardware". But they might necessarily know that. With a console, they don't have to know these things, thus its more convenient for them.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, all it takes is an 8800GT, and suddenly I'm playing with better graphics than a 360?Vandalvideo

Well I did say that you need 1-2 gigs of RAM and a mid-range dual core processor to compliment the 8800 GT. Most modern PCs should already have this. And yes, once that is done, you will easily beat 360 and PS3 graphics (remember, DMC4 is only 640p) :)

To be fair though, when I buy games I wait til they are about half the normal retail price anyway. I think its maybe the reason I ended up with 51 GC games at trhe end of last gen. I got a lot of 4 for £20 or 2 for £20 deals. So long as you're smart, you can always get games for cheap. Online is always a good place to look as well.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, all it takes is an 8800GT, and suddenly I'm playing with better graphics than a 360?Vandalvideo

Well I did say that you need 1-2 gigs of RAM and a mid-range dual core processor to compliment the 8800 GT. Most modern PCs should already have this. And yes, once that is done, you will easily beat 360 and PS3 graphics (remember, DMC4 is only 640p) :)

Windows is just too annoying to put up with anymore. It's bloated, too slow, and too vulnerable. I have no idea how I put up with it for so long.

Dos/linux and console gaming all the way!

farrell2k

Windows is not bloated by its nature, the reason why you can consider it bloated is because all of the hackers target it. The reason they target it is because of its high market share. If Linux had 90% market share, do you think hackers will just ignore that as well, or will they be unable to bloat Linux systems? Oh please. My laptop has Windows Vista, and it has been running fine since I bought it in April 2007. No security software on it at all, and it runs fine. I don't really see the point in Linux, seeing you cannot even watch DVDs or Blu-ray movies in it as well due to its open source nature (no DRM). Otherwise, you can MULTIBOOT.

That's still too expensive to just play games. Also I rent most games and Gamefly don't rent out PC games. I've never spent more than $300 for a system and I'm not about to start now.Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Quofan"]Exactly what do you define as ancient though?Quofan

What I mean is, I doubt your average consumer is the kind of person to build a specialised gaming rig. So yes, perhaps there is a fair chance they will have "ancient hardware". But they might necessarily know that. With a console, they don't have to know these things, thus its more convenient for them.

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC is probably the most social platform. We practically invented the lan, and they number in the thousands of players. Not to mention there are hundreds of communities on the PC.Vandalvideo

lol, most social platform...good one...

its competely subjective to the user. most of my friends are on XBL. therefore, i regard the 360 as the most social. if was a PC gamer, and all of my friends were on PC, then that would be the most social platform for me.

[QUOTE="clone01"]its competely subjective to the user. most of my friends are on XBL. therefore, i regard the 360 as the most social. if was a PC gamer, and all of my friends were on PC, then that would be the most social platform for me.Vandalvideo

do you just come here to pick fights? why would i want to game with complete strangers, when i could game on a robust XBL friends list. seriously, stop it, you just annoy people. nobody is slagging your precious PC. i know i'm not. yet you just can't concede that maybe, just maybe, a few crazy people prefer console gaming.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]its competely subjective to the user. most of my friends are on XBL. therefore, i regard the 360 as the most social. if was a PC gamer, and all of my friends were on PC, then that would be the most social platform for me.clone01

do you just come here to pick fights? why would i want to game with complete strangers, when i could game on a robust XBL friends list. seriously, stop it, you just annoy people. nobody is slagging your precious PC. i know i'm not. yet you just can't concede that maybe, just maybe, a few crazy people prefer console gaming.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]its competely subjective to the user. most of my friends are on XBL. therefore, i regard the 360 as the most social. if was a PC gamer, and all of my friends were on PC, then that would be the most social platform for me.Vandalvideo

do you just come here to pick fights? why would i want to game with complete strangers, when i could game on a robust XBL friends list. seriously, stop it, you just annoy people. nobody is slagging your precious PC. i know i'm not. yet you just can't concede that maybe, just maybe, a few crazy people prefer console gaming.

don't care, i prefer console gaming, and its more than social enough for me. quit forcing your hermit cult down my throat.

don't care, i prefer console gaming, and its more than social enough for me. quit forcing your hermit cult down my throat.clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]its competely subjective to the user. most of my friends are on XBL. therefore, i regard the 360 as the most social. if was a PC gamer, and all of my friends were on PC, then that would be the most social platform for me.Arjdagr8

do you just come here to pick fights? why would i want to game with complete strangers, when i could game on a robust XBL friends list. seriously, stop it, you just annoy people. nobody is slagging your precious PC. i know i'm not. yet you just can't concede that maybe, just maybe, a few crazy people prefer console gaming.

don't worry about him, just dont feed him. hes an arrogant hermit that wont quit. he wont back down even when hes wrong so theres no point in arguing.

Why is he wrong?

[QUOTE="clone01"]don't care, i prefer console gaming, and its more than social enough for me. quit forcing your hermit cult down my throat.Vandalvideo

funny, seems like your attacking someone for simply not being into PC gaming. and if you read any of my post, i said that social gaming is contextual to the user. all of my friends are on XBL, therefore, for me, the 360 is the most social gaming platform. i could care less about PC and the LAN, tourney, etc. cultures that surround it.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]don't care, i prefer console gaming, and its more than social enough for me. quit forcing your hermit cult down my throat.clone01

funny, seems like your attacking someone for simply not being into PC gaming. and if you read any of my post, i said that social gaming is contextual to the user. all of my friends are on XBL, therefore, for me, the 360 is the most social gaming platform. i could care less about PC and the LAN, tourney, etc. cultures that surround it.

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"][QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]its competely subjective to the user. most of my friends are on XBL. therefore, i regard the 360 as the most social. if was a PC gamer, and all of my friends were on PC, then that would be the most social platform for me.Meu2k7

do you just come here to pick fights? why would i want to game with complete strangers, when i could game on a robust XBL friends list. seriously, stop it, you just annoy people. nobody is slagging your precious PC. i know i'm not. yet you just can't concede that maybe, just maybe, a few crazy people prefer console gaming.

don't worry about him, just dont feed him. hes an arrogant hermit that wont quit. he wont back down even when hes wrong so theres no point in arguing.

Why is he wrong?

he's not necessarily wrong, but he comes across as a very condescending troll. i have to admit, i rarely agree with anything you say, but you at least present it in a courteous fashion, which i can respect.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]don't care, i prefer console gaming, and its more than social enough for me. quit forcing your hermit cult down my throat.clone01

funny, seems like your attacking someone for simply not being into PC gaming. and if you read any of my post, i said that social gaming is contextual to the user. all of my friends are on XBL, therefore, for me, the 360 is the most social gaming platform. i could care less about PC and the LAN, tourney, etc. cultures that surround it.

Where is he attacking you?

I like these 1 liner questions, straight to the point.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]don't care, i prefer console gaming, and its more than social enough for me. quit forcing your hermit cult down my throat.Vandalvideo

funny, seems like your attacking someone for simply not being into PC gaming. and if you read any of my post, i said that social gaming is contextual to the user. all of my friends are on XBL, therefore, for me, the 360 is the most social gaming platform. i could care less about PC and the LAN, tourney, etc. cultures that surround it.

so what are your quantitative statistics on social gaming platforms. you mean you have numbers? any sort of research evidence? no? just opinion, like me. wow, failure.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]don't care, i prefer console gaming, and its more than social enough for me. quit forcing your hermit cult down my throat.Meu2k7

funny, seems like your attacking someone for simply not being into PC gaming. and if you read any of my post, i said that social gaming is contextual to the user. all of my friends are on XBL, therefore, for me, the 360 is the most social gaming platform. i could care less about PC and the LAN, tourney, etc. cultures that surround it.

Where is he attacking you?

I like these 1 liner questions, straight to the point.

earlier, he stated that my "misconceptions" don't mean jack. i guess that means my opinions. kind of a jerk thing to say, if you ask me.

so what are your quantitative statistics on social gaming platforms. you mean you have numbers? any sort of research evidence? no? just opinion, like me. wow, failure.clone01