your pick as the most OVERATED developer

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="butteater86"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

None of these devs make true garbage really....except for Rockstar with anything not named GTA....the other games they make suck....god knows why.butteater86

That's almost as bad as the Bungie argument.

Noboby cares about your opinion on their games.

Bully - 8.7

Table Tennis - 8.5

Thrasher - 8.1

State of Emergency - 8.5

The Warriors - 8.6

Smuggler's Run - 8.0

Smugg'ers Run 2 - 8.3

Midnight Club - 8.4

Mignight Club 3 - 8.3

Max Payne - 9.2

Max Payne 2 - 9.0

Manhunt - 8.4

So according to GS (who's opinion is all that matters here), that's 12 great Rockstar games not named GTA.

Thrasher is a very good game ... I used to play that back in the day lol the police chasing you with the taser that was cool.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="butteater86"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

None of these devs make true garbage really....except for Rockstar with anything not named GTA....the other games they make suck....god knows why.butteater86

That's almost as bad as the Bungie argument.

Noboby cares about your opinion on their games.

Bully - 8.7

Table Tennis - 8.5

Thrasher - 8.1

State of Emergency - 8.5

The Warriors - 8.6

Smuggler's Run - 8.0

Smugg'ers Run 2 - 8.3

Midnight Club - 8.4

Mignight Club 3 - 8.3

Max Payne - 9.2

Max Payne 2 - 9.0

Manhunt - 8.4

So according to GS (who's opinion is all that matters here), that's 12 great Rockstar games not named GTA.

Bioware.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="butteater86"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

None of these devs make true garbage really....except for Rockstar with anything not named GTA....the other games they make suck....god knows why.nVidiaGaMer

That's almost as bad as the Bungie argument.

And Halo 3 was a worthy sequel to Halo 2? :lol: I beat Halo 3 once and never want to play it again. The story is weak, the level designs are bad, your teammates have such poor A.I., the graphics did not push the 360 at all, I can go on and on.

And Halo 2 is a worthy sequel to Halo:CE :lol::lol::lol:

Team Ninja.

One good game. There, I said it.

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]

I played Halo many many times all three and I simply don't like it. I shouldn't be bashed for my opinion.

Stevo_the_gamer

I never played the whole games but iv'e played parts of all three becuase all of my friends own x-box and all the halo games.

This thread is more like a "who do you hate" than who is overrated. It seems kind of ridiculous to hate on Valve, Bungie, Kojima, Crytek, Rockstar after what they have brought to the table. They have revolutionized games. Look at their track records, it's not like they're living off of hype. They have delivered the goods so many times it's insane.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I'm sure someone even said Blizzard. Hating Blizz = no cred :)

[QUOTE="butteater86"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="butteater86"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

None of these devs make true garbage really....except for Rockstar with anything not named GTA....the other games they make suck....god knows why.jg4xchamp

That's almost as bad as the Bungie argument.

Noboby cares about your opinion on their games.

Bully - 8.7

Table Tennis - 8.5

Thrasher - 8.1

State of Emergency - 8.5

The Warriors - 8.6

Smuggler's Run - 8.0

Smugg'ers Run 2 - 8.3

Midnight Club - 8.4

Mignight Club 3 - 8.3

Max Payne - 9.2

Max Payne 2 - 9.0

Manhunt - 8.4

So according to GS (who's opinion is all that matters here), that's 12 great Rockstar games not named GTA.

They did the Warriors, guaranteed. I loved that game so much. In fact I am going to toss it in my 2 tonight.

State of Emergency got 8.5 because everyone had permaboners for Rockstar after GTA3. Everyone knows it wasn't that good. Red Dead Revolver was better if you ask me.

i pick bungie. i mean they made 1 good series, halo. halo3 wasnt even that great and for some reason, ppl praise them as great developers and put them in the same category as blizzard, konami, capcom. I mean come on, they need more than halo to be considered to be an elite devs.

bungie is like the dude that sang "MAMBO NUMBER 5" They made 1 great song and ppl go crazy as the next great thing.

whos ur pick?

virtuas

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

Myth, Marathon, Oni, and of course, Halo.

Bungie is overrated. No, I haven't played Myth, Marathon, or Oni, but that's not where Bungie gets almost all of its credit. If Halo wasn't made, then Bungie would get very little praise. Halo and Bungie go hand in hand. Bungie is overrated because of their Halo series. Bungie gets their high amount of praise because of Halo. People do not praise Bungie for any other reason. Bungie's praise comes solely from Halo.

I don't know how good Myth, Marathon, and Oni. Neither do most people. Bungie is held to such a high regard because of Halo.

kingyotoX

If you haven't played the best of what Bungie offers, why are you judging them based off one franchise which is, critically, one of the most highly acclaimed franchises of all time? I don't get it - you can hate on Halo all you want, but just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an amazing game. That's just foolish to blindly call a company overrated because you don't like the games it makes nor know nothing about them.

Look on gamerankings or Metacritic and tell me the scores for every Halo game. Gamespot made a topspot 10 greatest shooters and guess what, Halo is on it. Just accept that Halo is an amazing franchise, take your stupidity elsewhere.

Yes how ignorant are we to not worship halo we must be idiots becuase your opinion has to be correct. We are mere weakinglings not worthy of your words. HALO IS GOD HALO IS GOD HALO IS GOD. Now will you spare me great master.

Whats you problem? Feeling tuff on the internets today? Well your not scaring anyone.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Kojima Productions/KonaminVidiaGaMer

I think you meant Valve, Bungie, EA, and 2K.

Konami, Polophony Digital, and Rockstar are some of the few companies that are still good and don't throw out half *** games out the window just to make some money *cough* Halo 3.

Half assed games don't receive 9.5s. :|

Oh let me guess, it's overrated right? :roll:

LionHead Studios...always hype never deliver.white_sox

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Kojima Productions/KonamiThe_Game21x

I think you meant Valve, Bungie, EA, and 2K.

Konami, Polophony Digital, and Rockstar are some of the few companies that are still good and don't throw out half *** games out the window just to make some money *cough* Halo 3.

Half assed games don't receive 9.5s. :|

Oh let me guess, it's overrated right? :roll:

I dont know why people on SW, actually care what other posters on here think anymore. Almost EVERY comment on here has some kind of fanboyism behind it. I am starting to wonder why I even post here anymore.

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Kojima Productions/KonamiThe_Game21x

I think you meant Valve, Bungie, EA, and 2K.

Konami, Polophony Digital, and Rockstar are some of the few companies that are still good and don't throw out half *** games out the window just to make some money *cough* Halo 3.

Half assed games don't receive 9.5s. :|

Oh let me guess, it's overrated right? :roll:

I think Halo definitely got some extra love because of all the hype. Same with GTA. Once all the hype dies down, I think it's easier to see a game's true colors. I don't think Halo or GTA's recent efforts were as good as their old games. Part of this is probably them being afraid to take a lot of chances with that much on the line.

Halo just has a lot more to compete against these days in the shooter market as well.

Microsoft.foxhound_fox

Microsoft.foxhound_fox

How so?

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

Myth, Marathon, Oni, and of course, Halo.

Bungie is overrated. No, I haven't played Myth, Marathon, or Oni, but that's not where Bungie gets almost all of its credit. If Halo wasn't made, then Bungie would get very little praise. Halo and Bungie go hand in hand. Bungie is overrated because of their Halo series. Bungie gets their high amount of praise because of Halo. People do not praise Bungie for any other reason. Bungie's praise comes solely from Halo.

I don't know how good Myth, Marathon, and Oni. Neither do most people. Bungie is held to such a high regard because of Halo.

lolkie_81

If you haven't played the best of what Bungie offers, why are you judging them based off one franchise which is, critically, one of the most highly acclaimed franchises of all time? I don't get it - you can hate on Halo all you want, but just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an amazing game. That's just foolish to blindly call a company overrated because you don't like the games it makes nor know nothing about them.

Look on gamerankings or Metacritic and tell me the scores for every Halo game. Gamespot made a topspot 10 greatest shooters and guess what, Halo is on it. Just accept that Halo is an amazing franchise, take your stupidity elsewhere.

Yes how ignorant are we to not worship halo we must be idiots becuase your opinion has to be correct. We are mere weakinglings not worthy of your words. HALO IS GOD HALO IS GOD HALO IS GOD. Now will you spare me great master.

Whats you problem? Feeling tuff on the internets today? Well your not scaring anyone.

LOL people on system wars are so funny.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Kojima Productions/Konamilolkie_81

I think you meant Valve, Bungie, EA, and 2K.

Konami, Polophony Digital, and Rockstar are some of the few companies that are still good and don't throw out half *** games out the window just to make some money *cough* Halo 3.

Half assed games don't receive 9.5s. :|

Oh let me guess, it's overrated right? :roll:

I dont know why people on SW, actually care what other posters on here think anymore. Almost EVERY comment on here has some kind of fanboyism behind it. I am starting to wonder why I even post here anymore.

Welcome to my world. I hate myself a little more with each post I make. There is almost no accountability here.

I try to post intelligent, unbiased things like most of what I've posted over the last three days, but after post #50483 of idiot fanboy no. 928 agreeing with some other dumb fanboy comment, I start to lose my composure and end up posting something as dumb as what they posted. That's what I really don't like; how weak I am for sinking to that level, and how easily it seems to happen.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Microsoft.jg4xchamp

Flight Simulator X begs to differ!

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Half assed games don't receive 9.5s. :|

Oh let me guess, it's overrated right? :roll:

excelR83

I think Halo definitely got some extra love because of all the hype. Same with GTA. Once all the hype dies down, I think it's easier to see a game's true colors. I don't think Halo or GTA's recent efforts were as good as their old games. Part of this is probably them being afraid to take a lot of chances with that much on the line.

Halo just has a lot more to compete against these days in the shooter market as well.

I could give less than a damn about hype. Many of my favorite games are ones that received little to no hype whatsoever.

With that said however, I disagree. To me, Halo 3 was better than Halo: CE and I'm still debating whether or not GTA IV is the best in its series. I do not believe either title was overrated.

Just Valve, personally.

Sure, they've made the amazing Half Life series, but that's all they ever really did.

I'll wait 'til they've made a slick action-RPG or mind-boggling adventure game before I consider them fantastic.

I'm not a big fan of one-trick ponies.

I don't know if I'd call them "overrated," or if this is even on topic, but most everything I hear out of Epic annoys me. I just find them to be very full of themselves.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Microsoft.excelR83

Flight Simulator X begs to differ!

Just Valve, personally.

Sure, they've made the amazing Half Life series, but that's all they ever really did.

I'll wait 'til they've made a slick action-RPG or mind-boggling adventure game before I consider them fantastic.

I'm not a big fan of one-trick ponies.

FrozenLiquid

Just Valve, personally.

Sure, they've made the amazing Half Life series, but that's all they ever really did.

I'll wait 'til they've made a slick action-RPG or mind-boggling adventure game before I consider them fantastic.

I'm not a big fan of one-trick ponies.

FrozenLiquid

I think I am the only one alive that hated the orange box. I just do see what is great about half life. Im sure when it was new it was great, but when I played it 4 years later on the 360, I just didnt care for it.

Just Valve, personally.

Sure, they've made the amazing Half Life series, but that's all they ever really did.

I'll wait 'til they've made a slick action-RPG or mind-boggling adventure game before I consider them fantastic.

I'm not a big fan of one-trick ponies.

FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="excelR83"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Microsoft.jg4xchamp

Flight Simulator X begs to differ!

I think I am the only one alive that hated the orange box. I just do see what is great about half life. Im sure when it was new it was great, but when I played it 4 years later on the 360, I just didnt care for it.

lolkie_81

Save Portal, word. The only reason I could really play Episode 2 was to see how the story unfolded. The gameplay seriously feels dated, especially since it's done nothing much since 1998 apart from adding breakthrough physics in 2004. And the gunplay just isn't "fun" -- you can't play the game for five minutes tearing stuff up like you can in Crysis or Halo, or FEAR or Black.

Steam and TF2, pretty much. Watching the developer commentary tracks, the amount of thought and care that goes into pretty much everything they do is ridiculous.Makari

They do put quite a bit of polish into everything they do, but it's expected since they've only dabbled in FPS games. Not counting Steam, it seems like they're playing it safe.

Colour me weird but I don't really consider Portal, TF2, and CS to be made by them. It's especially true for the latter since the two devs that created that mod aren't directly associated with Valve anymore. To me they look more like publishers helping in-house devs, and this relationship is much clearer in Left 4 Dead (which will now be technically created by Valve since TRS has been assimilated into Valve in all but name).

I personally admire Blizzard (well, use to), Ubi Montreal, Bungie, Capcom etc because they've created superb titles across multiple genres.

Valve, despite having a AAA track record, has yet to join the club.

[QUOTE="excelR83"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Microsoft.jg4xchamp

Flight Simulator X begs to differ!

I was kidding :P

That's the only game I can really think of that I think is actually developed by MS.

[QUOTE="Makari"]Steam and TF2, pretty much. Watching the developer commentary tracks, the amount of thought and care that goes into pretty much everything they do is ridiculous.FrozenLiquid

Rockstar, and Infinaty Ward.

Rockstar seemed to have gotten full of themselves, and Iward is getting massive praise for a game that isnt on par with its first title.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="excelR83"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Microsoft.excelR83

Flight Simulator X begs to differ!

I was kidding :P

That's the only game I can really think of that I think is actually developed by MS.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Just Valve, personally.

Sure, they've made the amazing Half Life series, but that's all they ever really did.

I'll wait 'til they've made a slick action-RPG or mind-boggling adventure game before I consider them fantastic.

I'm not a big fan of one-trick ponies.

Makari

The work they've done with TF2 is amazing.

They do put quite a bit of polish into everything they do, but it's expected since they've only dabbled in FPS games. Not counting Steam, it seems like they're playing it safe.

Colour me weird but I don't really consider Portal, TF2, and CS to be made by them. It's especially true for the latter since the two devs that created that mod aren't directly associated with Valve anymore. To me they look more like publishers helping in-house devs, and this relationship is much clearer in Left 4 Dead (which will now be technically created by Valve since TRS has been assimilated into Valve in all but name).

I personally admire Blizzard (well, use to), Ubi Montreal, Bungie, Capcom etc because they've created superb titles across multiple genres.

Valve, despite having a AAA track record, has yet to join the club.

FrozenLiquid

While the core idea of Portal for instance are not Valves - that being placing portals to solve puzzle, everything else is. Its a huge change from Narbacular Drop, it is essentially a Valve game.
Its like saying TimeShift and Max Payne are the same, because their core mechanic revolves around time manipulation and shooting things.

As for TF2, again the core design was done by Quake modders, who were hired by Valve to work on TF ****c for HL, although TF2 builds utop of the core design with a whole new image, and much more game design additions and refinement. While defitnaly to a lesser extent than Portal, I do understand your gist in its regard.

Same with Counter Strike and Day of Defeat, well they are essentially identical to their predecessors, however they went retail and have had visual updates. Neither have had the changes that Team Fortress 2 got from Valve (heck compare the original TF2:Brotherhood of Arms screens and previews to the current product).

However one thing that has to be factored in is not just Valve as a games developer. They have created communities, and fueled online gaming communities, let alone been at the fore front for pushing for digital distribution.
Things like Valves work with the modding community - flying in many dev teams so they can get first hand advice from the developers themselves (Mininerva, Dystopia ect.), close relations with the mod community, and close relations with the different gaming audiences, always adding content and improving games, encouraging an active playerbase.
Its no wonder Steam and Valve games are thriving and getting so much attention (Steam, TF2, Portal and Gmod in particular).

I wouldn't think of Valve as a dev that does multiple game genres in order to become a 'great' dev. If anything they are an opposite of why they are a great one.

I've two delevopers I hate for the same reasons: Blizzard and Valve. As for Blizzard: Warcraft, Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft, Diablo, Warcraft and Warcraft. In the production: Starcraft and Diablo. All are great games, but I wish they'd try something new. How many Diablos or Crafts this World can take?

Valve has only Half-Life and its mods. Great games again, but I hope they'll do something new too. Portal was great, I'll give them that, but new full game would be nice. That new zombie shooter looks interesting.

Wasn't TF2 all in-house for them, though? It's based on a mod in name, yeah, but they did pretty much throw everything out the window and do it their own way on the sequel.Makari

I think so. I have no qualms about TF2 though, because I love Team Fortress and they just made it more awesome.

I agree and disagree.

While the core idea of Portal for instance are not Valves - that being placing portals to solve puzzle, everything else is. Its a huge change from Narbacular Drop, it is essentially a Valve game.
Its like saying TimeShift and Max Payne are the same, because their core mechanic revolves around time manipulation and shooting things.

As for TF2, again the core design was done by Quake modders, who were hired by Valve to work on TF ****c for HL, although TF2 builds utop of the core design with a whole new image, and much more game design additions and refinement. While defitnaly to a lesser extent than Portal, I do understand your gist in its regard.

Same with Counter Strike and Day of Defeat, well they are essentially identical to their predecessors, however they went retail and have had visual updates. Neither have had the changes that Team Fortress 2 got from Valve (heck compare the original TF2:Brotherhood of Arms screens and previews to the current product)

skrat_01

I honestly don't think Valve would have thought twice about Portal unless they saw that game and contacted those students. If I remember correctly, those same students that were hired by Valve developed Portal pretty much all by themselves. It's good that Valve hires new blood, but anything touched by Valve gets attributed to them. Maybe it's just me but to me "Valve" is that same group of devs from 1998, sans everyone else they've picked up just because they were making a game that looked promising. All the "individuals" are shoved away in favour of just "Valve". Honestly, how many people are going to remember Gearbox's contribution to the Half Life legacy?

However one thing that has to be factored in is not just Valve as a games developer. They have created communities, and fueled online gaming communities, let alone been at the fore front for pushing for digital distribution.
Things like Valves work with the modding community - flying in many dev teams so they can get first hand advice from the developers themselves (Mininerva, Dystopia ect.), close relations with the mod community, and close relations with the different gaming audiences, always adding content and improving games, encouraging an active playerbase.
Its no wonder Steam and Valve games are thriving and getting so much attention (Steam, TF2, Portal and Gmod in particular).

I wouldn't think of Valve as a dev that does multiple game genres in order to become a 'great' dev. If anything they are an opposite of why they are a great one.skrat_01

But we are talking purely about Valve as a video game developer, and their extra-curricular activities don't really do anything to add up to their game developing front.

Is Steven Spielberg a better director just because Dreamworks sticks "Steven Spielberg presents" in front of Transformers as he is executive producer? Is Michael Jackson a better artist just because he owns a quarter of the Sony BMG catalog, indicating his smart investment and being a rich son of a *****?

Anyway, I gotta bounce now.

I've two delevopers I hate for the same reasons: Blizzard and Valve. As for Blizzard: Warcraft, Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft, Diablo, Warcraft and Warcraft. In the production: Starcraft and Diablo. All are great games, but I wish they'd try something new. How many Diablos or Crafts this World can take?

Valve has only Half-Life and its mods. Great games again, but I hope they'll do something new too. Portal was great, I'll give them that, but new full game would be nice. That new zombie shooter looks interesting.

Icarian

That's what I was thinking too, but Blizzard to a much lesser extent.

And see, you're a victim of Valve branding.

Maybe Microsoft should regain Bungie, assimilate them, dissolve the name, and see if it produces the same result.

If bungie (the most hated on dev in this thread) is overrated.. couldn't the same logic be used to say every dev ever is overrated?

For example: "I think dev Y is over rated. I have only played series X (Halo/MGS/Half Life/Zelda/GTA) from this dev, and even though this dev has made other critically praised series I don't care, because I didn't like series X (Halo/MGS/Half Life/Zelda/GTA) therefore they are overrated. BLAH BLAH BLAH"

See.. I don't like Zelda for example. Does that mean Nintendo is overrated? Do Nintendo not make good games? Just because I don't like something doesn't mean its bad and thats fact.. of course a fanboys view on that could be different.

I honestly don't think Valve would have thought twice about Portal unless they saw that game and contacted those students. If I remember correctly, those same students that were hired by Valve developed Portal pretty much all by themselves. It's good that Valve hires new blood, but anything touched by Valve gets attributed to them. Maybe it's just me but to me "Valve" is that same group of devs from 1998, sans everyone else they've picked up just because they were making a game that looked promising. All the "individuals" are shoved away in favour of just "Valve". Honestly, how many people are going to remember Gearbox's contribution to the Half Life legacy?

FrozenLiquid

True they get automatically attributed to Valve because of the games assimilation, and Gearbox does deserve regocnition for the exellent opposing force. As for Portal the students hired worked on the gameplay and level design with the rest of the development team, though the hired students worked much more on certain aspects.

But we are talking purely about Valve as a video game developer, and their extra-curricular activities don't really do anything to add up to their game developing front.

Is Steven Spielberg a better director just because Dreamworks sticks "Steven Spielberg presents" in front of Transformers? Is Michael Jackson a better artist just because he owns a quarter of the Sony BMG catalog, indicating his smart investment and being a rich son of a *****?

Anyway, I gotta bounce now.

FrozenLiquid

It has much more to do than you example above.

Think about Bungies work with its community, and things like Forge and halo 3s community features. You cant ignore that these were influential to game development, and have affected the game, and the people centered around it.

I've two delevopers I hate for the same reasons: Blizzard and Valve. As for Blizzard: Warcraft, Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft, Diablo, Warcraft and Warcraft. In the production: Starcraft and Diablo. All are great games, but I wish they'd try something new. How many Diablos or Crafts this World can take?

Valve has only Half-Life and its mods. Great games again, but I hope they'll do something new too. Portal was great, I'll give them that, but new full game would be nice. That new zombie shooter looks interesting.

Icarian

2 Starcrafts, 1 Expansion Set

3 Diablos, 1 Expansion Set

3 Warcraft, A few Expansion Sets

1 MMORPG (base off WC), 2 Expansion Sets

They also made various other games during the 90s like The Lost Vikings.

Not alot, they all are only at their third true sequal, except for Starcraft which is at it second sequal. Diablo third sequal is coming, and isn't here yet (same goes for SC2). I don't see how thats alot.

There is also rumors of a new IP in the works for Blizzard.

2 Starcrafts, 1 Expansion Set

3 Diablos, 1 Expansion Set

3 Warcraft, A few Expansion Sets

1 MMORPG (base off WC), 2 Expansion Sets

They also made various other games during the 90s like The Lost Vikings.

Not alot, they all are only at their third true sequal, except for Starcraft which is at it second sequal. Diablo third sequal is coming, and isn't here yet (same goes for SC2). I don't see how thats alot.

There is also rumors of a new IP in the works for Blizzard.

ArisShadows

Lost Vikings was made before they changed their name to Blizzard. And I hate Blizzard. I have nothing against Silicon & Synapse.

Blizzard has shown that they've lot of talent to make good games, but to me and many others they're taking it safely only putting out a new Diablo (meaning hack & slash with minor RPG elements) or Craft (RTS) game every couple of years or so. I wouldn't complain so much about releasing a lightly improved sequel here and then, if they would've released also different games like Starcraft: Ghost (FPS) or WarCraft Adventures (point and click adventure). Some variety wouldn't hurt them.

Oh.. and World of Warcraft is only an improved Diablo.

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

2 Starcrafts, 1 Expansion Set

3 Diablos, 1 Expansion Set

3 Warcraft, A few Expansion Sets

1 MMORPG (base off WC), 2 Expansion Sets

They also made various other games during the 90s like The Lost Vikings.

Not alot, they all are only at their third true sequal, except for Starcraft which is at it second sequal. Diablo third sequal is coming, and isn't here yet (same goes for SC2). I don't see how thats alot.

There is also rumors of a new IP in the works for Blizzard.

Icarian

Lost Vikings was made before they changed their name to Blizzard. And I hate Blizzard. I have nothing against Silicon & Synapse.

Blizzard has shown that they've lot of talent to make good games, but to me and many others they're taking it safely only putting out a new Diablo (meaning hack & slash with minor RPG elements) or Craft (RTS) game every couple of years or so. I wouldn't complain so much about releasing a lightly improved sequel here and then, if they would've released also different games like Starcraft: Ghost (FPS) or WarCraft Adventures (point and click adventure). Some variety wouldn't hurt them.

Oh.. and World of Warcraft is only an improved Diablo.

Blizzard take stride in their work, that is the reason is takes so much time between each product, and with each, they have yet to disappoint their fanbase. Diablo is, tho, a hack and slash game with a level system and skill tree, its not suppose to have any major rpg elements, besides that. Again, they take time into making not just good or great games, but perfected to the bone games. They have a high record for excellence, it may take a bit a longer than the average developer, but when its all said and done, you got an excellent product that last longer than most games combined. The reason why they didn't follow through with Starcraft: Ghost was they didn't believe their gave their absoluteness to the game, and didn't want to have some lackerlust for people of the series or brand following.

Variety? You got RTSs, both play quite differently. You got Hack & Slash. You got a MMORPG. I think they got a quite a bit of variety. The perfected the RTS scheme, they perfected the MMORPG world and more so done good in Hack & Slash genre. I think they doing good overall with all their types of games. It may not be every genre out there, but they are in a few. I don't see alot of other being in multiple branches. Bioware is excellence and they mainly deal with RPGs.

And WOW is not an improved Diablo. Far from it.