Your thoughts on Final Fantasy XIV

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"] How about the official FFXIV website then clicking Information tab. Says subscription fees TBA. http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/FloWeN-UK

Maybe, the fees dont bother me but I never was a fan of MMOs, Id much rather have a traditional FF.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] dude....you make it seem like its so hard to provide servers for an mmo game.........lol........its not that complicated or costly............Supa__Mario

You REALLY have no idea what you are talking about, seriously just stop.

could be for pc.......Supa__Mario

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"]

Uh, yes it is complicated and costly.siLVURcross

You REALLY have no idea what you are talking about, seriously just stop.

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] no....its not......especially since sony already has dedicated servers working on the psn.....

You REALLY have no idea what you are talking about, seriously just stop.

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] could be for pc.......Supa__Mario

If it's an MMO, I'm not interested in the least.

Teufelhuhn

Unlucky your missing out on some of the best gaming experiences possible by avoiding the MMORPG Genre.

I'm sick and tired of people *****ing and moaning about a game that will be released the same year as XIII and won't stall the progress of the next "story" Final Fantasy.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

If it's an MMO, I'm not interested in the least.

jwsoul

Unlucky your missing out on some of the best gaming experiences possible by avoiding the MMORPG Genre.

I'm sick and tired of people *****ing and moaning about a game that will be released the same year as XIII and won't stall the progress of the next "story" Final Fantasy.

hakanakumono

Really? Different teams?

Very much looking forward to this. My number one game from E3.

I enjoyed FFXI very much, played it off and on for 4 years. It is dated by todays standards, but at the same time, it is a one of a kind MMO, and the community in FFXI is the best in multiplayer gaming hands down. It was a forced social game, and because of that you formed alot of real friendships. There was alot of grinding, and that I could do without, however, the risk and reward model in FFXI puts other MMO's like WoW to shame. You had to work for stuff in FFXI, and when you acheived your goals it made the reward that much better. FFXI is also the king of content for MMO's No other MMO comes close to the amount of things to do as FFXI. The job system is also a huge advatage FFXI has over other MMO's. But on reason the job system works in FFXi is the huge amount of content. Most other MMO's just don't have the content to support an open class system like FFXI has.

Here are some things the devs have said about FFXIV: (this is paraphased, not exact quotes for the interview.)

1. No experiance points. Characters will develope differently.

2. Story driven gameplay. It will be a Final Fantasy game you can play with other people.

3. More solo gameplay, more multi enemy encounters, more group vs. multi enemy encounters.

4. There will be an open job system, but it will be completely different from FFXI

5. You can play for 10 minutes or you can play for 10 hours.

6. Will not use Playonline as a portal.

7. We looked at other MMO's that have been released since FFXI for gameplay ideas, but more often, we looked to the FFXI playerbase for ideas.

As for all the people that dismiss MMO's, thats fine. You may want to try this one before you dismiss it out of hand though. I think it will have alot to offer.

And for people dismissing the game because of the subscription fee, you get what you pay for. MMO's like FFXI grow and evolve, Your experiance changes all the time, and the social aspect of the game is not to be understated. If your only experiance with an MMO is WoW, then you may have a jaded veiw because of the simplicity of the gameplay, unfriendly community, and stunted social aspects of the game. FFXI is nothing like that, and FFXIV should be like FFXI.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I'm sick and tired of people *****ing and moaning about a game that will be released the same year as XIII and won't stall the progress of the next "story" Final Fantasy.

-Oath

Really? Different teams?

Yeah, FFXIV team is the FFXI team which have been working on FFXI content for the past 7 years.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I'm sick and tired of people *****ing and moaning about a game that will be released the same year as XIII and won't stall the progress of the next "story" Final Fantasy.

-Oath

Really? Different teams?

Square has a number of teams under their arsenal as well as outsourcing (which invalidates the complaints about the "remakes" because they're not done by Square).

So far Square has been developing XIII, Versus XIII, Agito XIII, and XIV all at the same time. The reason why S-E hasn't "delivered" this gen is because the enormity of the projects they're working on is huge. Once XIII is finished a lot of the workforce will be directed back towards Agito and Versus, while the XIV team will probably continue to develop for XIV with the various expansions.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I'm sick and tired of people *****ing and moaning about a game that will be released the same year as XIII and won't stall the progress of the next "story" Final Fantasy.

spinecaton

Really? Different teams?

Yeah, FFXIV team is the FFXI team which have been working on FFXI content for the past 7 years.

Ah, ok, had a feeling that was the case.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I'm sick and tired of people *****ing and moaning about a game that will be released the same year as XIII and won't stall the progress of the next "story" Final Fantasy.

hakanakumono

Really? Different teams?

Square has a number of teams under their arsenal as well as outsourcing (which invalidates the complaints about the "remakes" because they're not done by Square).

So far Square has been developing XIII, Versus XIII, Agito XIII, and XIV all at the same time. The reason why S-E hasn't "delivered" this gen is because the enormity of the projects they're working on is huge. Once XIII is finished a lot of the workforce will be directed back towards Agito and Versus, while the XIV team might work on XV, or maybe something else.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

I'm sick and tired of people *****ing and moaning about a game that will be released the same year as XIII and won't stall the progress of the next "story" Final Fantasy.

hakanakumono

Really? Different teams?

Square has a number of teams under their arsenal as well as outsourcing (which invalidates the complaints about the "remakes" because they're not done by Square).

So far Square has been developing XIII, Versus XIII, Agito XIII, and XIV all at the same time. The reason why S-E hasn't "delivered" this gen is because the enormity of the projects they're working on is huge. Once XIII is finished a lot of the workforce will be directed back towards Agito and Versus, while the XIV team will probably continue to develop for XIV with the various expansions.

Ah, I see. Appreciate you clearing that up for me.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Really? Different teams?

Vandalvideo

Square has a number of teams under their arsenal as well as outsourcing (which invalidates the complaints about the "remakes" because they're not done by Square).

So far Square has been developing XIII, Versus XIII, Agito XIII, and XIV all at the same time. The reason why S-E hasn't "delivered" this gen is because the enormity of the projects they're working on is huge. Once XIII is finished a lot of the workforce will be directed back towards Agito and Versus, while the XIV team might work on XV, or maybe something else.

We're getting even more XIII? So the PS3 will have 3 XIII games?

And two more XIII games on handhelds?

6 XIII games!?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Square has a number of teams under their arsenal as well as outsourcing (which invalidates the complaints about the "remakes" because they're not done by Square).

So far Square has been developing XIII, Versus XIII, Agito XIII, and XIV all at the same time. The reason why S-E hasn't "delivered" this gen is because the enormity of the projects they're working on is huge. Once XIII is finished a lot of the workforce will be directed back towards Agito and Versus, while the XIV team might work on XV, or maybe something else.

hakanakumono

We're getting even more XIII? So the PS3 will have 3 XIII games?

And two more XIII games on handhelds?

6 XIII games!?

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] dude....you make it seem like its so hard to provide servers for an mmo game.........lol........its not that complicated or costly............Supa__Mario

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

We're getting even more XIII? So the PS3 will have 3 XIII games?

And two more XIII games on handhelds?

6 XIII games!?

siLVURcross

I have too agree, I really think it shouldve stopped at Agito. 3 is enough IMO, move on.

We're getting even more XIII? So the PS3 will have 3 XIII games?And two more XIII games on handhelds?6 XIII games!?hakanakumono

Uh, yes it is complicated and costly.siLVURcross

Well then XIII better be solid gold. Most Final Fantasies have done a great job at being self contained; complete with just one game (which is why VII's compilation is such BS). I guess this is marking a shift in what Square wants to do. It's almost like XIII will be it's own series, but because its part of a stream of numbered Final Fantasy titles Square will have to rush out the games for it. Or maybe we'll see XIII games well after XV is on it's way.

Thanks for the update Vandal.

I will get Final Fantasy XIV if it is free (both subscription wise, and actual game disc wise).

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] if you know something i dont......then go ahead and explain......if you read after that post u would see i stated clearly how the server system works for mmo games....but dont try to make a fool of me with nothing.......Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] if you know something i dont......then go ahead and explain......if you read after that post u would see i stated clearly how the server system works for mmo games....but dont try to make a fool of me with nothing.......Supa__Mario

Sony doesn't have dedicated servers, those are based on the developers and maintained by the developers. Or else all PSN games would be based off dedicated servers while there are actually only like 3 games that use dedicated servers.

Well then XIII better be solid gold. Most Final Fantasies have done a great job at being self contained; complete with just one game (which is why VII's compilation is such BS). I guess this is marking a shift in what Square wants to do. It's almost like XIII will be it's own series, but because its part of a stream of numbered Final Fantasy titles Square will have to rush out the games for it. Or maybe we'll see XIII games well after XV is on it's way.

Thanks for the update Vandal.

hakanakumono

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] The dedicated servers for MMOs generally require more upkeep than your average server. The maintainence costs of these things are huge, as someone has to go in every morning, back up all the data on backup servers, clean every last trey, and refit it. It is a LOT of work, and that kind of manpower takes more money than PSN, which has its own overhead to pay for it, unlike most MMOs.spinecaton

Sony doesn't have dedicated servers, those are based on the developers and maintained by the developers. Or else all PSN games would be based off dedicated servers while there are actually only like 3 games that use dedicated servers.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] exactly.....most of its work is for the simple reason because those servers dont reset.......which is exactly what dedicated servers dont do either.....which is why i brought up sonys dedicated servers.......Supa__Mario

Sony doesn't have dedicated servers, those are based on the developers and maintained by the developers. Or else all PSN games would be based off dedicated servers while there are actually only like 3 games that use dedicated servers.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

We're getting even more XIII? So the PS3 will have 3 XIII games?

And two more XIII games on handhelds?

6 XIII games!?

I have too agree, I really think it shouldve stopped at Agito. 3 is enough IMO, move on.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] You understand how completely different MMORPG servers are don't you? Don't you?Supa__Mario

In your initial post, you compared the current servers Sony provides for games to MMORPG servers. A ridiculous comparison, since MMORPG servers are completely different. These types of servers, unlike say, Resistance or Killzone, ARE the game.

They need to store all data about all aspects of your character, all characters at once, all content, constantly update and communicate all this information between client and host. That's incredibly more 'costly and complicated' than an online game where it only needs to store the specifics of a current matchup.

As to your second post:

here are some ways it is possible......"To support all those players, MMOGs need large-scale game worlds, and servers to connect players to those worlds. Sometimes a game features a universe which is copied onto different servers, separating players, and this is called a "sharded" universe. Other games will feature a single universe which is divided among servers, and requires players to switch. Still others will only use one part of the universe at any time."Supa__Mario

Now, I realize you copied this information directly from Wikipedia, so obviously your knowledge of MMORPGs isn't great.

You also claim World of Warcraft uses the "second method" of these in a later post, presumably "the single universe divided amongst servers, which requires players to switch".

It actually uses the first method. Often you'll notice during a crash in WoW, certain continents are accessible, while others aren't. This is because different continents are housed on different servers, ergo it's a sharded universe.

Now, back to your original point, there are of course methods of running an MMORPG without needed the revenue for a monthly fee, like Guild Wars. However, games like this instance 90% of themselves (basically, you're playing a single player game or small co-op game outside most capital cities and in dungeons, you only interact with other players inside cities).

This is not for example, how FF11 works. FF11 works more like a traditional MMORPG, it has about 30 worlds on a cluster of servers, with a few thousand characters on each. This requires a fee to maintain, unlike the Guild Wars model.

For FF14, Square have already stated they'll be announcing the online fee in the future, hence it will exist. They don't appear to be going with the Guild Wars model.

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Sony doesn't have dedicated servers, those are based on the developers and maintained by the developers. Or else all PSN games would be based off dedicated servers while there are actually only like 3 games that use dedicated servers.

Darkslayer16

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Well then XIII better be solid gold. Most Final Fantasies have done a great job at being self contained; complete with just one game (which is why VII's compilation is such BS). I guess this is marking a shift in what Square wants to do. It's almost like XIII will be it's own series, but because its part of a stream of numbered Final Fantasy titles Square will have to rush out the games for it. Or maybe we'll see XIII games well after XV is on it's way.

Thanks for the update Vandal.

Vandalvideo

Well Final Fantasies share concepts and themes and all of the XIII titles are supposed to share the same concepts and themes. Versus XIII is really just Nomura's take on the concepts and themes and the heart of XIII.

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] if you know something i dont......then go ahead and explain......if you read after that post u would see i stated clearly how the server system works for mmo games....but dont try to make a fool of me with nothing.......Danm_999

In your initial post, you compared the current servers Sony provides for games to MMORPG servers. A ridiculous comparison, since MMORPG servers are completely different. These types of servers, unlike say, Resistance or Killzone, ARE the game.

They need to store all data about all aspects of your character, all characters at once, all content, constantly update and communicate all this information between client and host. That's incredibly more 'costly and complicated' than an online game where it only needs to store the specifics of a current matchup.

As to your second post:

here are some ways it is possible......"To support all those players, MMOGs need large-scale game worlds, and servers to connect players to those worlds. Sometimes a game features a universe which is copied onto different servers, separating players, and this is called a "sharded" universe. Other games will feature a single universe which is divided among servers, and requires players to switch. Still others will only use one part of the universe at any time."Supa__Mario

Now, I realize you copied this information directly from Wikipedia, so obviously your knowledge of MMORPGs isn't great.

You also claim World of Warcraft uses the "second method" of these in a later post, presumably "the single universe divided amongst servers, which requires players to switch".

It actually uses the first method. Often you'll notice during a crash in WoW, certain continents are accessible, while others aren't. This is because different continents are housed on different servers, ergo it's a sharded universe.

Now, back to your original point, there are of course methods of running an MMORPG without needed the revenue for a monthly fee, like Guild Wars. However, games like this instance 90% of themselves (basically, you're playing a single player game or small co-op game outside most capital cities and in dungeons, you only interact with other players inside cities).

This is not for example, how FF11 works. FF11 works more like a traditional MMORPG, it has about 30 worlds on a cluster of servers, with a few thousand characters on each. This requires a fee to maintain, unlike the Guild Wars model.

For FF14, Square have already stated they'll be announcing the online fee in the future, hence it will exist. They don't appear to be going with the Guild Wars model.

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"]

In your initial post, you compared the current servers Sony provides for games to MMORPG servers. A ridiculous comparison, since MMORPG servers are completely different. These types of servers, unlike say, Resistance or Killzone, ARE the game.

They need to store all data about all aspects of your character, all characters at once, all content, constantly update and communicate all this information between client and host. That's incredibly more 'costly and complicated' than an online game where it only needs to store the specifics of a current matchup.

As to your second post:

here are some ways it is possible......"To support all those players, MMOGs need large-scale game worlds, and servers to connect players to those worlds. Sometimes a game features a universe which is copied onto different servers, separating players, and this is called a "sharded" universe. Other games will feature a single universe which is divided among servers, and requires players to switch. Still others will only use one part of the universe at any time."Supa__Mario

Now, I realize you copied this information directly from Wikipedia, so obviously your knowledge of MMORPGs isn't great.

You also claim World of Warcraft uses the "second method" of these in a later post, presumably "the single universe divided amongst servers, which requires players to switch".

It actually uses the first method. Often you'll notice during a crash in WoW, certain continents are accessible, while others aren't. This is because different continents are housed on different servers, ergo it's a sharded universe.

Now, back to your original point, there are of course methods of running an MMORPG without needed the revenue for a monthly fee, like Guild Wars. However, games like this instance 90% of themselves (basically, you're playing a single player game or small co-op game outside most capital cities and in dungeons, you only interact with other players inside cities).

This is not for example, how FF11 works. FF11 works more like a traditional MMORPG, it has about 30 worlds on a cluster of servers, with a few thousand characters on each. This requires a fee to maintain, unlike the Guild Wars model.

For FF14, Square have already stated they'll be announcing the online fee in the future, hence it will exist. They don't appear to be going with the Guild Wars model.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Well then XIII better be solid gold. Most Final Fantasies have done a great job at being self contained; complete with just one game (which is why VII's compilation is such BS). I guess this is marking a shift in what Square wants to do. It's almost like XIII will be it's own series, but because its part of a stream of numbered Final Fantasy titles Square will have to rush out the games for it. Or maybe we'll see XIII games well after XV is on it's way.

Thanks for the update Vandal.

Vandalvideo

it's an mmo the only reason it's getting any attention is that it hasn't been announced for 360 yethy4k

wut?

You think we care if the 360 gets it too? It's a freaking community-based game. The more people that play it the better.

"since MMORPG servers are completely different".....this invalidates your whole post......a server is a server........some reset.....some are dedicated.........the only thing for mmo games are there are More servers....not different.....plz.......just stopSupa__Mario

MMORPG servers do a very different job to other types of servers, but thanks for so succinctly demonstrating to everyone you know nothing about the topic, could only bring yourself to try and dispel my first line, and are borderline trolling.

I didn't feel like responding to half a page of your waffle. :)

and ye i got that from wiki.....but looks like u were looking there too.......high and mighty......Supa__Mario

Yes, I noticed you were quoting in your first post. I wondered where said quote had come from, ran it through Google and discovered you were using Wikipedia to argue.

My next thought was 'oh my goodness...'.

"since MMORPG servers are completely different".....this invalidates your whole post......a server is a server........some reset.....some are dedicated.........the only thing for mmo games are there are More servers....not different.....plz.......just stopSupa__Mario

MMO information is all stored server side, all your characters, items, everything except for settings are stored on a server. Their servers have to be able to store all that information for 500,000+ people(plus all their alt characters). FPS dedicated servers do not have to store any information and just able to be able to join them. You do not know what you are talking about, they are completely different!

Edit: Also a FPS dedicated server only has to host 16-64 people, while a MMO server have to be able to host about 5000-6000 players.

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] "since MMORPG servers are completely different".....this invalidates your whole post......a server is a server........some reset.....some are dedicated.........the only thing for mmo games are there are More servers....not different.....plz.......just stopDanm_999

MMORPG servers do a very different job to other types of servers, but thanks for so succinctly demonstrating to everyone you know nothing about the topic, could only bring yourself to try and dispel my first line, and are borderline trolling.

I didn't feel like responding to half a page of your waffle. :)

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"]"since MMORPG servers are completely different".....this invalidates your whole post......a server is a server........some reset.....some are dedicated.........the only thing for mmo games are there are More servers....not different.....plz.......just stopspinecaton

MMO information is all stored server side, all your characters, items, everything except for settings are stored on a server. Their servers have to be able to store all that information for 500,000+ people(plus all their alt characters). FPS dedicated servers do not have to store any information and just able to be able to join them. You do not know what you are talking about, they are completely different!

Edit: Also a FPS dedicated server only has to host 16-64 people, while a MMO server have to be able to host about 5000-6000 players.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="Supa__Mario"] "since MMORPG servers are completely different".....this invalidates your whole post......a server is a server........some reset.....some are dedicated.........the only thing for mmo games are there are More servers....not different.....plz.......just stopSupa__Mario

MMORPG servers do a very different job to other types of servers, but thanks for so succinctly demonstrating to everyone you know nothing about the topic, could only bring yourself to try and dispel my first line, and are borderline trolling.

I didn't feel like responding to half a page of your waffle. :)