Zelda Director Says Wii Won't Alienate Hardcore

[QUOTE="smarties00"]

At E3 A ton of exclusives will be announced untill them the Hardcore Crowd Has

Resident Evil UB

Mario Galaxy

Zack and Wiki

Metroid Prime 3

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Batallian Wars

Disaster Day of Crisis

And Other exclusives from 3rd Parties to be announced.

RickGotti

If that was the list of games I was waiting for, I'd quit gaming & take up macrame

Well Everyone is entitled to there opinion.

Even if its Wrong. But the list of games I provided are aimed at the Hardcore proving my point.

At E3 A ton of exclusives will be announced untill them the Hardcore Crowd Has

Resident Evil UB

Mario Galaxy

Zack and Wiki

Metroid Prime 3

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Batallian Wars

Disaster Day of Crisis

smarties00

[QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="enduin"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
enduin

Just Metroid alone says hi, many others can as well. The Wii doesnt have a ton thats for sure, and not that many high profile hardcore titles, but there are good amount coming and its a safe bet to say many more will be announced as the next few months pass by. As well games can appeal to the hardcore without sacrificing their appeal to casuals or even new gamers.

Nonsense. The Wii has a library of exclusives that could possibly supass some of the competition in the hardcore arena. Why are people so soft towards what is right in front of their eyes?

I could say right here right now that the Wii has a bigger library of exclusive hardcore titles than the PS3? Blasphemy? Well prove me otherwise... Don't just present an axiom to escape reason.

What are you babbling about?

Ohh just in case you took that wrong... That babble was not directed at you in any way... well at least most of it. Just the nonsense part tho. I'm saying that you don't need to go easy on the Wii when it concerns hardcore titles when PS3 for example at this point in time, is no where miles ahead of it in that department.

Yeah we can all enjoy hardcore games like Billy the Wizard for the Wii.

WalterPaladines

You can play it on PS2 as well... but for some reason, the rule only applies to the Wii...

[QUOTE="smarties00"]

At E3 A ton of exclusives will be announced untill them the Hardcore Crowd Has

Resident Evil UB

Mario Galaxy

Zack and Wiki

Metroid Prime 3

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Batallian Wars

Disaster Day of Crisis

Teufelhuhn

Nintendo bought Monolith, presumably because of how good Disaster was looking.

Why does RE Umbrella Chronicles look like a joke? It's fusing the story together. Just because it's on rails?

You can play it on PS2 as well... but for some reason, the rule only applies to the Wii...

Exactly, the number of PS2 games going onto Wii says alot against the wii aswell mind.

[QUOTE="smarties00"]

At E3 A ton of exclusives will be announced untill them the Hardcore Crowd Has

Resident Evil UB

Mario Galaxy

Zack and Wiki

Metroid Prime 3

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Batallian Wars

Disaster Day of Crisis

Teufelhuhn

If your denying that a stellar series like metroid isn't hardcore then your kidding yourself.

And Smash bros has a hardcore following, just look at all the tournaments

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Shinobishyguy

At E3 A ton of exclusives will be announced untill them the Hardcore Crowd Has

Resident Evil UB

Mario Galaxy

Zack and Wiki

Metroid Prime 3

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Battalion Wars

Disaster Day of Crisis

And Other exclusives from 3rd Parties to be announced.

smarties00

I started playing my NES when i was about 10 years old and I was a nintendo hardcore fan, your list looks great IF I WAS STILL 10 years old.

Now i'm all grown up and that list of games looks meh/blah boring.....Metroid? been there done that, Mario? played a hundred mario games..

Only title redeemable in your whole list is SSBB, the PS3 has way more diverse exclusives, and much better looking i might add, gameplay is important too, which all games must have to be AAA, but graphics makes things sweet.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Zuluking187

[QUOTE="smarties00"]

At E3 A ton of exclusives will be announced untill them the Hardcore Crowd Has

Resident Evil UB

Mario Galaxy

Zack and Wiki

Metroid Prime 3

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Batallian Wars

Disaster Day of Crisis

Teufelhuhn

RE:UB looks like a joke? Yeah your entitled to your opinion but its one of the better looking Wii games. And its objective is to appeal to the hardcore.

Zack and Wiki from what I've heard is a very difficult game and Matt From IGN has begun a campaign to promote it. Alot of people would be intrested in buying it.

Disaster your right we know nothing about but from the videos and images that I've seen its not going to be targated to attract the casual gamer. Its a hardcore Game through and through.

Mario and Metroid came out on a failing System. The Wii at the moment is currently outselling every console every month outstripping demand. The Install base will eat up the games and plenty of people want a Wii just for Smash Bros. Those Games last Generation where some of the top selling games on the gamecube and most likley part of the only reasons for getting a Gamecube last Generation.

[QUOTE="Zuluking187"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Jandurin

What makes those games hardcore?

I don't know, thats why I was asking.

Ohh just in case you took that wrong... That babble was not directed at you in any way... well at least most of it. Just the nonsense part tho. I'm saying that you don't need to go easy on the Wii when it concerns hardcore titles when PS3 for example at this point in time, is no where miles ahead of it in that department.

StealthSting

Im satisfied with whats on the Wii andeven more sowhen it comesto futuretitles, but it is very real that the system lacks the amount of Hardcore only type games the other systems offer, especially high profile and large production games. Its going to change maybe not immediatly but its already starting. E3 will set the pace.

[QUOTE="smarties00"]

At E3 A ton of exclusives will be announced untill them the Hardcore Crowd Has

Resident Evil UB

Mario Galaxy

Zack and Wiki

Metroid Prime 3

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Battalion Wars

Disaster Day of Crisis

And Other exclusives from 3rd Parties to be announced.

WalterPaladines

I started playing my NES when i was about 10 years old and I was a nintendo hardcore fan, your list looks great IF I WAS STILL 10 years old.

Now i'm all grown up and that list of games looks meh/blah boring.....Metroid? been there done that, Mario? played a hundred mario games..

Only title redeemable in your whole list is SSBB, the PS3 has way more diverse exclusives, and much better looking i might add, gameplay is important too, which all games must have to be AAA, but graphics makes things sweet.

Again opinions. You can argue with the Quality of the games but they will sell and get high scores. People will enjoy them even if you wont. But what you cant deny is that Metroid and Mario are to appeal to the hardcore.

With Graphics the Wii isnt a graphical machine no one denies that.

I don't know, thats why I was asking.Zuluking187

Well, I tried to figure out what makes a game hardcore, and all I could come up with was difficulty. Which is silly, as different things are difficult for different people.

So, I came to the conclusion that no game is hardcore. Games are games and gamers are gamers. Some have it higher up in their hobby list, some lower. That's the only difference.

Meu2k7

You can play it on PS2 as well... but for some reason, the rule only applies to the Wii...

Exactly, the number of PS2 games going onto Wii says alot against the wii aswell mind.

And what exactly does it tell you? Because, before you answer that, I and probably many others in here have complete logical rebuttal's to said used to hell argument. Many 3rd parties did not expect this demand from the Wii and companies like ubisoft at least had the decency to tell us that what they did was wrong... Wich was completely logical after their annoucements that they would use the Wii to eventually surpass EA... How do they do this? By making some cash, on some quick ports.

What exactly does it tell me? That some of you people will have a hell of a time this gen, specially if Wii turns out to be a PS2(Wich I doubt, since I think the market will have a good balance this time). Why? Because it will get a whole lot of crap, the only difference being in the haters, that will actually keep an eye on them this time around for flaming reasons.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Zuluking187

What makes those games hardcore?

To answer that question... I have no idea. Then again maybe they are hardcore because they have always been bought and loved by hardcore gamers for most of their life... And well... all of those series had a preatty long life.

But the right question imo would be: What makes those games less hardcore, than what the competition has to offer?

[QUOTE="smarties00"]

At E3 A ton of exclusives will be announced untill them the Hardcore Crowd Has

Resident Evil UB

Mario Galaxy

Zack and Wiki

Metroid Prime 3

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Battalion Wars

Disaster Day of Crisis

And Other exclusives from 3rd Parties to be announced.

WalterPaladines

I started playing my NES when i was about 10 years old and I was a nintendo hardcore fan, your list looks great IF I WAS STILL 10 years old.

Now i'm all grown up and that list of games looks meh/blah boring.....Metroid? been there done that, Mario? played a hundred mario games..

Only title redeemable in your whole list is SSBB, the PS3 has way more diverse exclusives, and much better looking i might add, gameplay is important too, which all games must have to be AAA, but graphics makes things sweet.

Yearight when sony promised the graphics will dominate the whole Compitition..and yet we are seeing the 360 dominate in the graphics department..For some games you couldn barelly tell the diffrence so how is the PS3 worth $600??

Also why are all the AAA games that are comming on the PS3 are comming/already out on the 360?

cassius128, thank you X 1000 for making me remember the River City Randsom Days.

Why don't we just say all the systems have different stregths and audiences that split parts of a multi-billion dollar industry and then be happy and go to each others houses occasionally to play each others systems and say how glad you are you didn't buy THAT one!

M'kay Later.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]StealthSting

You can play it on PS2 as well... but for some reason, the rule only applies to the Wii...

Exactly, the number of PS2 games going onto Wii says alot against the wii aswell mind.

And what exactly does it tell you? Because, before you answer that, I and probably many others in here have complete logical rebuttal's to said used to hell argument. Many 3rd parties did not expect this demand from the Wii and companies like ubisoft at least had the decency to tell us that what they did was wrong... Wich was completely logical after their annoucements that they would use the Wii to eventually surpass EA... How do they do this? By making some cash, on some quick ports.

What exactly does it tell me? That some of you people will have a hell of a time this gen, specially if Wii turns out to be a PS2(Wich I doubt, since I think the market will have a good balance this time). Why? Because it will get a whole lot of crap, the only difference being in the haters, that will actually keep an eye on them this time around for flaming reasons.

3rd party trash ports aside, there doesnt seem to be a huge list of great titles that have even been announced.

An example would be includign lockon in Metroid Prime 3, even though Nintendo is constantly bragging about how easy aiming supposedly is. They watered down the experience because they think that more casuals will buy Metroid if it's simpler.Timstuff

1. They put lock-on in there because it has been in there for the last 2 games (not sure about Hunters). It is a big part of the Metroid Prime series, and they wanted it in there to have a kind of consistency.

2. At last year'sE3, they said that they were going to have enemies which can break out of it, so that it forces people to actually aim with the Wiimote. That way not only can it be a bit more challenging, but they can also enforce the easiness of aiming with the Wiimote.

So, yes, they do have it in there, but it's more for people who have played the older games and are used to it, and they are trying to get them to the aiming with the Wiimote. If anything, this is probably less casual-friendly than the previous ones, because people can't rely completely on the lock-on like they did before.

Anyway, I wasn't worried about the "lack of hardcore games," and always knew that they would come. Hell, there are several of them out now. So this doesn't come as a surprise to me.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Teufelhuhn

so in other words they are intending to dumb down thier games but still keep the same faces? lame. TP isnt nearly hard enough.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Jandurin

Well, do they appeal to them? I mean let's pretend for a second that everyone here at SW represents a random sampling of "hardcore" gamers. Of those who didn't already consider themselves Nintendo fans last gen, who is going to have their minds changed by Mario and Metroid?
Teufelhuhn

Well, do they appeal to them? I mean let's pretend for a second that everyone here at SW represents a random sampling of "hardcore" gamers. Of those who didn't already consider themselves Nintendo fans last gen, who is going to have their minds changed by Mario and Metroid?
Teufelhuhn

Also, I didn't play a single zelda or mario game last gen. Did not give Nintendo a cent of my money. I changed this gen. So, yes.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Teufelhuhn

I could name other examples but, just because you don't like them it certainly does not make them less quality titles, nor the console a less quality purchase... Sure you're not saying that, but my point is that it's all subjective.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Zuluking187"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Zuluking187

What makes those games hardcore?

I don't know, thats why I was asking.

Well to me the definition of a hardcore game is one that is complex, deep and lengthy. Those are generally the things that turn casual gamers off.

To me, and of course this is only opinion, Mario & Nintendo games in general are not hardcore. There have been exceptions to the rule but you have to look very hard to find them.

The line blurs for me on things like fighting games. They are often easy to pick up but complex to master. Mario platformers are casual (note, making it hard to hop across 3 platforms and onto a rope during level 68 is not 'complex', it's just plain frustrating).

Well, do they appeal to them? I mean let's pretend for a second that everyone here at SW represents a random sampling of "hardcore" gamers. Of those who don't already consider themselves Nintendo fans, who is going to have their minds changed by Mario and Metroid?
Teufelhuhn

Metroid really depends on how good the controls are, its always been rather niche hardcore game compared to Mario and SSB sales so its hard to gauge. Mario so far though hasnt had much exposure, we dont know alot about it, but from previews by reporters to comments from big developers who got to play its theyve all been completely captured and amazed by the game.So I think once we see more of it a lot of people will be turned over to the Wii because of it. Much like people being amazed by Mario 64. And then obviously SSBB will bring in tons of people, especially if the online mode does everything right, from stats to tournaments.

To answer that question... I have no idea. Then again maybe they are hardcore because they have always been bought and loved by hardcore gamers for most of their life... And well... all of those series had a preatty long life.

But the right question imo would be: What makes those games less hardcore, than what the competition has to offer?

StealthSting

I could name other examples but, just because you don't like them it certainly does not make them less quality titles, nor the console a less quality purchase... Sure you're not saying that, but my point is that it's all subjective.

StealthSting

What I like is irrelevent, I'm only one person. I'm talking about what everyone here likes.

Well to me the definition of a hardcore game is one that is complex, deep and lengthy. Those are generally the things that turn casual gamers off.

To me, and of course this is only opinion, Mario & Nintendo games in general are not hardcore. There have been exceptions to the rule but you have to look very hard to find them.

Stonin

Very Hard? Not at all. It's difficult to call some franchises I could name right now, that have less complex and deep material as you put it and yet some of them were definitely more revolutionary and influential titles then many of the games you would probably consider in that specific area.

so in other words they are intending to dumb down thier games but still keep the same faces? lame. TP isnt nearly hard enough.

JPOBS

you ever played the Wind waker. It's even easier than TP.

Whoever said the Wii isn't for hardcore gamers don't know squat about games.Willy105

I already lost the count of them :lol:

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Well I'm real glad they think they can appeal to hardcore gamers. :roll:

So far I haven't seen anything to support their belief.
Teufelhuhn

in my case, being a nintendo gamer all my life, and suddenly switching to the 360 and neglecting the wii entirely is only further proof (atleast in my case) that they fail to attract the hardcore despite their age old franchises.

Where's the wii versions of The Darkness, Assassin's Creed, Army of Two, Kane and Lynch, and GTA IV?

Bread_or_Decide

The Darkness - PS3/360

Assassin's Creed - PS3/360/PC

Army of Two - PS3/360

Kane and Lynch - PS3/360/PC

GTA IV - PS3/360/PC

Those are all bad examples, since they are out on multi-plats (3 of them are out on almost all the platforms, except portables). You would have been better off using exclucive titles.

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

so in other words they are intending to dumb down thier games but still keep the same faces? lame. TP isnt nearly hard enough.

Shinobishyguy

you ever played the Wind waker. It's even easier than TP.

im loving TP so far though despite its lack of challenge.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Where's the wii versions of The Darkness, Assassin's Creed, Army of Two, Kane and Lynch, and GTA IV?

Philmon

The Darkness - PS3/360

Assassin's Creed - PS3/360/PC

Army of Two - PS3/360

Kane and Lynch - PS3/360/PC

GTA IV - PS3/360/PC

Those are all bad examples, since they are out on multi-plats (3 of them are out on almost all the platforms, except portables). You would have been better off using exclucive titles.

im loving TP so far though despite its lack of challenge. JPOBS

The only part of that game I hated was the fishing. I had to get my girlfriend to do it for me :P.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

so in other words they are intending to dumb down thier games but still keep the same faces? lame. TP isnt nearly hard enough.

JPOBS

you ever played the Wind waker. It's even easier than TP.

im loving TP so far though despite its lack of challenge.

but still I remember the puzzles in TP being more challenging than WW.

Combat is about the same though.

The mini-game argument is getting redundant.

Plus, everyones getting their share of games. What every calls "hardcores" are getting Brawl, NiGHTS2, SMG, Metroid Prime 3, FF CC:CB, etc.

What everyone calls "Casuals" are getting their fair share of titles too.

So in case my point was unclear before, let me spell it out:

My interpretation of what he meant when he said "we won't alienate hardcore gamers" was "we'll do enough to keep the Nintendo fans in our back pocket."

Sure, the Nintendo hardcore are already going crazy at the thought of Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Metroid. But just like last gen, they're continuing to ignore the hardcore gamers who need more than that.
Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Where's the wii versions of The Darkness, Assassin's Creed, Army of Two, Kane and Lynch, and GTA IV?

Teufelhuhn

Why would we want those games? It's about time we start playing something better than last gen.

Super Paper Mario is last gen? Alright, whatever you say. :roll:

So in case my point was unclear before, let me spell it out:

My interpretation of what he meant when he said "we won't alienate hardcore gamers" was "we'll do enough to keep the Nintendo fans in our back pocket."

Sure, the Nintendo hardcore are already going crazy at the thought of Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Metroid. But just like last gen, they're continuing to ignore the hardcore gamers who need more than that.
Teufelhuhn

Hell I need more then that, and I always have. And It would be a straight lie from me if I told you that the only games that interest me in the Wii are Nintendo titles... With that said, there is nothing wrong in wanting more then just what Nintendo has to offer.