Zelda: Skyward Sword-Will it be revolutionary?

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] well maybe SS can innovate motion sensing combat in the same way that OoT innovated 3D gaming??Advid-Gamer

If this game actually turns out really good i will be pissed, I may have to buy my 4th wii:evil: Luckly you can get them on craigslist for 100 if you wait and look.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="bobcheeseball"] Mediocre? :? What was mediocre about it exactly? It might not have been revolutionary or innovative but it was a solid game.Advid-Gamer

I think you are blinded by nostalgia, Besides the wolf parts TP was just as good as then rest of them. MY favorite is windwaker, I liked how they actually some what of a combat system. After Windwaker the series just took steps backwards, just like all nintendo games seem to do these days. Except galaxy there only saving grace.

some series like animal crossing, yes.

Every nintendo series? No.

ie. Kirby's epic yarn is the highest scoring kirby game in a while

For the series? Probably. For the genre? Definitely not. It looks like just another action-adventure, and barely any different from the cut-n-paste formula from the previous games, it has me wondering how Aonuma defines the word "change." Certainly, it isn't the same way I do.

It'll probably be exceedingly well made, and make a lot of the fans happy (there are some fans, who will never be happy). But as far as making a big leap forward for the action-adventure genre? I'd spend more time looking at The Last Guardian if you want new ideas and innovation.

Yes like Ocarina of Time was this will push Zelda to the next level.

▲ Im losing interest in the series fast. It is so stale. adding in a bunch of motion controls is not going to fix that. They need to reboot the series. ▲

Motion controls really turned me off to the Wii and I gave it a chance. However, I'm a huge Zelda fan and will most likely get a Wii again just for this game.

I don't knowif it will be revolutionay and neither does anyone else. We've seen, what, maybe 10 minutes of gamepley in a small portion of the gameworld: from this people can tell where the game is going? All the people answering this question must be psychic. Can you give some lottery numbers while y'all are at it?

▲ Im losing interest in the series fast. It is so stale. adding in a bunch of motion controls is not going to fix that. They need to reboot the series. ▲Loco_Live

I just want fun honestly

Unless they change up the formula and unless the combat is so amazing it opens up a whole new genre, it's just going to be another great zelda game.

It's sad though, because motion controled combat games should be th new hot genre, but so few devs seem interested in making that "big" genre defining game. I hoped zelda would be it, but it looks like it plays just like TP with 1:1.

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]▲ Im losing interest in the series fast. It is so stale. adding in a bunch of motion controls is not going to fix that. They need to reboot the series. ▲Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Loco_Live"]▲ Im losing interest in the series fast. It is so stale. adding in a bunch of motion controls is not going to fix that. They need to reboot the series. ▲HoolaHoopMan

Unless they change up the formula and unless the combat is so amazing it opens up a whole new genre, it's just going to be another great zelda game.

It's sad though, because motion controled combat games should be th new hot genre, but so few devs seem interested in making that "big" genre defining game. I hoped zelda would be it, but it looks like it plays just like TP with 1:1.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] like devil may cry? yeah...reboots aren't always a be-all-end-all solutionShinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Here's a thought, how about they just retire the series? Not every series needs 10 million sequels and spin offs. Sometimes gems are best left by themselves. HoolaHoopMan

I dont think Ive played a "revolutionary" game since I bought a PS1 in 95. Ever since then its been just graphics updates.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] If they're still consistantly good and still have fans...why should they? :|Shinobishyguy

I dont think Ive played a "revolutionary" game since I bought a PS1 in 95. Ever since then its been just graphics updates.

VanDammFan

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] With efforts like TP, and motion waggle SS . HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] so you've played SS?Shinobishyguy

Same world, same bad guys, same powerups, same story, same music, same unchangeable main character, same gameplay but with OOH DIFFERENT CONTROLS!!!

Which doesn't make that much difference if we're being honest.

Nintendo is an incredibly lazy company and needs to retire several franchises or at least stop relying on them so much.

Same world, same bad guys, same powerups, same story, same music, same unchangeable main character, same gameplay but with OOH DIFFERENT CONTROLS!!!

Which doesn't make that much difference if we're being honest.

Nintendo is an incredibly lazy company and needs to retire several franchises or at least stop relying on them so much.

Chemical_Viking

Same world, same bad guys, same powerups, same story, same music, same unchangeable main character, same gameplay but with OOH DIFFERENT CONTROLS!!!

Which doesn't make that much difference if we're being honest.

Nintendo is an incredibly lazy company and needs to retire several franchises or at least stop relying on them so much.

Chemical_Viking

Same world, same bad guys, same powerups, same story, same music, same unchangeable main character, same gameplay but with OOH DIFFERENT CONTROLS!!!

Which doesn't make that much difference if we're being honest.

Nintendo is an incredibly lazy company and needs to retire several franchises or at least stop relying on them so much.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Loco_Live"]▲ Im losing interest in the series fast. It is so stale. adding in a bunch of motion controls is not going to fix that. They need to reboot the series. ▲HoolaHoopMan

[...] no-one else does Zelda-type games anyway. [...] Thunderdrone

Waggle Waggle. That's why it's ****. You get to waggle your way through copy/paste dungeons just like every other Zelda in existence, using the same items in every other Zelda in existence. Notice a pattern? Give the series a rest, let it go out with some dignity. It's like watching the Simpsons go into their 40th season. HoolaHoopMan

-**** gameplay

-Waggle

-copy Paste dungeons

-rehashing

-Loss of dignity

My God you figured out Zelda!

Best discription of the series ever.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Waggle Waggle. That's why it's ****. You get to waggle your way through copy/paste dungeons just like every other Zelda in existence, using the same items in every other Zelda in existence. Notice a pattern? Give the series a rest, let it go out with some dignity. It's like watching the Simpsons go into their 40th season. Thunderdrone

-**** gameplay

-Waggle

-copy Paste dungeons

-rehashing

-Loss of dignity

My God you figured out Zelda!

Best discription of the series ever.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] [...] no-one else does Zelda-type games anyway. [...] foxhound_fox

Died when the N64 came out? Sure, if you dont count handhelds.

And as much as i love the idea of 3D Dot Game Heroes, the level design just wasnt there.

I love the idea, the music and the nostalgia heavy presentation, but yeah, the execution fell short (and i'm not even putting it next to Zelda standards here).

As for Okami, again, i love this game and i hate pointing out its flaws, but yeah, its Zelda-lite with a charming and fresh art****premise.

At its core, it doesnt Out-Zelda Zelda. Butits a pretty damn good game anyway

More recently, Darksiders tried to be like Zelda...and failed. We got another GOW clone instead.

There are a few Zelda-type games out there, and there should be more. A major reason why Zelda has barely changed over the last decade is because it has little competition. More games = more improvements.

foxhound_fox

First, lets put things into perspective. No one complained about Zelda being "stale", outdated or whatever, before TP. NO ONE, and i'm including the dedicated press here.

Ocarina was what it was. Majora was loved by its "strangeness" and WW was considered a stylistic trailblazer. It took one game, TP, for this odd bunch of people to come out of the woodwork proclaiming that the series "needs a rest", or a "reboot". Or that they should turn Zelda into Shadow of the Colossus/ICO (WTF people lol).

The funny thing is that those who werent praising MM and WW were too busy crying and moaning that Nintendo wasnt giving them another one just like OOT. Nintendo gives them a Ocarina 2 and now its an outdated, "rehashed" IP.

And Zelda barely changed over a decade? There have been 3 main console Zeldas in 10 years. Tell me how much 3 entries of a well known franchise need to be different from each other in order to NOT be considered stale?

Should i look at God of War 1, 2 and 3 as a role model? Gears 1, 2 and 3? Uncharted 1, 2 and 3? Maybe Killzone or GTA... Ratchet and Clank?

I'd say MM, WW and TP have more distinct, individual identities than any of the sequels i mentioned above.

So, i ask, whats the problem with Zelda?

I doubt it will be revolutionary. I just want the motion controls to be good.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Waggle Waggle. That's why it's ****. You get to waggle your way through copy/paste dungeons just like every other Zelda in existence, using the same items in every other Zelda in existence. Notice a pattern? Give the series a rest, let it go out with some dignity. It's like watching the Simpsons go into their 40th season. HoolaHoopMan

-**** gameplay

-Waggle

-copy Paste dungeons

-rehashing

-Loss of dignity

My God you figured out Zelda!

Best discription of the series ever.

Doubt it will be revolutionary, doesn't have to be to be great. I don't expect it to get a 10 either, but who cares? Given the series' track record, I'm sure it'll be great. Great games are great.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] [...] no-one else does Zelda-type games anyway. [...] foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Unless they change up the formula and unless the combat is so amazing it opens up a whole new genre, it's just going to be another great zelda game.

It's sad though, because motion controled combat games should be th new hot genre, but so few devs seem interested in making that "big" genre defining game. I hoped zelda would be it, but it looks like it plays just like TP with 1:1.

BreakTheseLinks

Boy did you misunderstand what I wrote. I wasn't saying TP had 1:1 controls. I'm saying SS looks like nothing more than TP with 1:1 controls tacked on.

Skyward Sword just looks to be another Zelda game. Nothing new so far :/

[QUOTE="BreakTheseLinks"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

Unless they change up the formula and unless the combat is so amazing it opens up a whole new genre, it's just going to be another great zelda game.

It's sad though, because motion controled combat games should be th new hot genre, but so few devs seem interested in making that "big" genre defining game. I hoped zelda would be it, but it looks like it plays just like TP with 1:1.

Boy did you misunderstand what I wrote. I wasn't saying TP had 1:1 controls. I'm saying SS looks like nothing more than TP with 1:1 controls tacked on.

The game is over a year from release. How about we wait a while before we judge it.

Yes, we are all stupid but you. You can see the truth.Thunderdrone

Not at all, I'll def. end up playing it, I'm a huge Zelda fan. It's my main reason for wanting the series to be finished, I don't want it to be squeezed dry in the end, and unfortunately that's most likely what will happen.

Im so hyped for this game and Zelda's been my #1 favorite series since i've started gaming, but I do have concerns. Im worried that since they are going for precise controls that they are going to focus on that point the entire game like in the demo having all the enemies face the way you are obviously supposed to slash. Also the difficulty of the game is worrying to me, so far every Nintendo game that has come out for wii has been WAY too easy and since it looks like the controls are going to force developers to focus on one on one fighting and them focusing on having casuals enjoy the game it will take a hit in how hard it is just like Galaxy 1 and 2 but ill keep my hopes up.

There were rumours of the game having difficulty levels and let me say I hope to god its true. I've been playing New Vegas lately and I must say that it is really great that there are some areas that I am really scared to go to because I'll get shredded. Zelda hasn't been that way for some time now. If there aren't difficulty levels then I know the game will be way easy just like TP. Nintendo is all about making their games easy to play and accessible which is a great thing, but they extend that philosophy a bit to far imo. It should be easy to learn but tough to master, not just easy to learn and then going through the motions. GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]▲ Im losing interest in the series fast. It is so stale. adding in a bunch of motion controls is not going to fix that. They need to reboot the series. ▲Shinobishyguy

▲ Well, how a bout giving it to a good dev instead of Ninja Theory. Or just finishing up the timeline and retire the series. ▲

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]Yes, we are all stupid but you. You can see the truth.HoolaHoopMan

Not at all, I'll def. end up playing it, I'm a huge Zelda fan. It's my main reason for wanting the series to be finished, I don't want it to be squeezed dry in the end, and unfortunately that's most likely what will happen.

▲ Kinda like Final Fantasy. I just feel nintendo has lost the ability to make a new, original Zelda game. Maybe another dev should give it a try. Nintendo is keeping the series in the dark ages, keeping it from progressing with the rest of the gaming world. ▲