Kane and Lynch down?

my point is, we now have PROOF Eidos is bribing GS.PaVILiOn_010

How are the Kane and Lynch reviews being shut down PROOF that there is bribing going on?

Ummm... no. We now have proof that gmespot won't allow blatantly biased player reviews to skew a games user score.Josepiphus

I honestly think that a reviewers score has a much heavier weight on it than it should. I've enjoyed several games that I thought deserved a much higher score. But hey, it's all good. I say, leta scoreeducate you, not dominate you.

Think about it:

1: The video review is taken down for no reason. Getting suspicious.

2: GS fires Jeff, internet explodes.

3: GS releases a statement saying nothing happened between they and Eidos, and that the vid review was taken down due to a faulty microphone. Shockingly, nothing is wrong with it. I've listened over and over and its exactly like the other vid reviews always being posted.

4: The reivews are taken down. JO, if u read some of the reviews, they have nothing to DO with the incident. There isn't even a mention of Jeff in the reivew, other than he was right about the review.

5:Eidos hasn't has a great game in 5 years.

Case in point, Eidos is desperate for sales. Reviews are opinions, and if anyone actually wanted the game, they wouldn't read reviews and just go buy it. So there is your proof.

I usually go off of user score because it seems to me that the people who take time to review are more likely to be my "type" of gamer. i.e. a madden fan wouldn't review mass effect. Although it's never an exact science and most times I'll buy a game that interests me despite any review be it "official" or "user".Josepiphus

Think about it:

1: The video review is taken down for no reason. Getting suspicious.

2: GS fires Jeff, internet explodes.

3: GS releases a statement saying nothing happened between they and Eidos, and that the vid review was taken down due to a faulty microphone. Shockingly, nothing is wrong with it. I've listened over and over and its exactly like the other vid reviews always being posted.

4: The reivews are taken down. JO, if u read some of the reviews, they have nothing to DO with the incident. There isn't even a mention of Jeff in the reivew, other than he was right about the review.

5:Eidos hasn't has a great game in 5 years.

Case in point, Eidos is desperate for sales. Reviews are opinions, and if anyone actually wanted the game, they wouldn't read reviews and just go buy it. So there is your proof.

PaVILiOn_010

Kane and Lynch really isn't that bad,

have any of the people who call it the worst game of all time actually played it?

It's not great, but it's not bad...it's average. 6/10

Gamespot used to be the most honest website on the net. They were always right. Now, they are SELLING good reviews on bad games. Here are some examples.

Mass Effect: 7/10. It's ok, just not a lot of people will like it.

Halo 3: 6/10. Hype was a key factor, and now that its gone, it's not as great as halo 2.

Kane and Lynch: 2/10. At least you have a choice not to play this. 6/10 is a good score for this piece of crap.

Gamespot used to be the most honest website on the net. They were always right. Now, they are SELLING good reviews on bad games. Here are some examples.

Mass Effect: 7/10. It's ok, just not a lot of people will like it.

Halo 3: 6/10. Hype was a key factor, and now that its gone, it's not as great as halo 2.

Kane and Lynch: 2/10. At least you have a choice not to play this. 6/10 is a good score for this piece of crap.

PaVILiOn_010

You scores are a bit messed up,

I mean, I agree 6/10 for halo 3, I'd give 6/10 to Kane And Lynch, and 10/10 to Mass Effect...7/10 is pretty freakin low for such an awesome and original game.

Also, I looked at your gamercard, and you've never played Kane And Lynch, why judge something you've never touched?

Call of Duty 4 and Mario Galaxy. Two truly underappreciated titles who deserve the upmost respect from developers. They need to follow the examples made by these guys. They don't take advantage of the dreams of kids who expect something phenominal. These aren't the same thing as the previous game in the series.PaVILiOn_010

How on earth are CoD 4 and Mario Galaxy "underappreciated" exactly?

They are insanely hyped, I've never tried galaxy, but, the main story in CoD 4 (PC anyways) isn't groundbreaking...

[QUOTE="Josepiphus"]I usually go off of user score because it seems to me that the people who take time to review are more likely to be my "type" of gamer. i.e. a madden fan wouldn't review mass effect. Although it's never an exact science and most times I'll buy a game that interests me despite any review be it "official" or "user".PaVILiOn_010

I don't work in the game industry, but I'd say that they probably have the same issue as any industry: TIME. You can't take forever and a day to develop a game, it takes so much money to make one just in paying the people involved. I think that's why bugs make it through. I sometimes wonder if they know the bugs exist, but in working out the bigger ones, due to time pressure, they have to leave the "managable ones" in. If Eidos is chomping at the bit for a sale, they don't want to wait awhile to get their income. But on the flip side, rushing a game is bound to get it panned. Jeff was right in some points, in the harshest of demeanors, I played the game. But because people weigh these reviews so heavily, their word at times appears to be law.

I think it's because games are too expensive nowadays, and there is a sea of bad games with speckles of gems, and everyone wants the gems. I don't have the money to toss $70 across the counter just for the heck of it, do you? People are educating themselves these days, and that's great. More education on a product means you have to try harder because people will know what the flaws are IMMEDIATELY. But on the other hand, you may miss on some awesome games because you studied to the point of over-rationalization.

[QUOTE="PaVILiOn_010"]

Gamespot used to be the most honest website on the net. They were always right. Now, they are SELLING good reviews on bad games. Here are some examples.

Mass Effect: 7/10. It's ok, just not a lot of people will like it.

Halo 3: 6/10. Hype was a key factor, and now that its gone, it's not as great as halo 2.

Kane and Lynch: 2/10. At least you have a choice not to play this. 6/10 is a good score for this piece of crap.

Andrew_Xavier

You scores are a bit messed up,

I mean, I agree 6/10 for halo 3, I'd give 6/10 to Kane And Lynch, and 10/10 to Mass Effect...7/10 is pretty freakin low for such an awesome and original game.

Also, I looked at your gamercard, and you've never played Kane And Lynch, why judge something you've never touched?

first, this is old news. good for you that you're trying to be popular and such but really, talk about something new. second, the video review was taken down because of problems with the audio, not for no reason. they also disabled the user reviewers because everyone on gamespot is super gullible and believed that whole load of crap. third, have you even played kane & lynch? and when i say played, i mean played more than one mission? the game is actually quite good. not your 8.5-10 game, but definitely not a 6. and definitely, definitely not a 2 as you scored it. "the only good thing is that no one is forcing you to play it" sorry, but that game is called hour of victory, which i'm sure you enjoyed.ctfvyrsgurbnorn

Call of Duty 4 and Mario Galaxy. Two truly underappreciated titles who deserve the upmost respect from developers. They need to follow the examples made by these guys. They don't take advantage of the dreams of kids who expect something phenominal. These aren't the same thing as the previous game in the series.PaVILiOn_010

Thats about as simple minded as gaming gets, if Halo is so over-rated then why does it have such a stable fan base? Servers will be filled with people 3-5 years from now n Halo 3 and thats quite an accomplishment. Each game has its downfalls and its good points, CoD 4 was too short and mario gallaxy was about 15 hours wit no online. Reviewers take these things into consideration and that is why we don't have a 40+ hour game, such as Mass Effect with an average rating or a 6 hour game, such as CoD4 with good online play, with a perfect rating. Kane and Lynch is in no way a 2, I am as pissed about Jeffs forced leave as anyone else, but 6 was a "just right" rating.

[QUOTE="PaVILiOn_010"]Call of Duty 4 and Mario Galaxy. Two truly underappreciated titles who deserve the upmost respect from developers. They need to follow the examples made by these guys. They don't take advantage of the dreams of kids who expect something phenominal. These aren't the same thing as the previous game in the series.Danold

Thats about as simple minded as gaming gets, if Halo is so over-rated then why does it have such a stable fan base? Servers will be filled with people 3-5 years from now n Halo 3 and thats quite an accomplishment. Each game has its downfalls and its good points, CoD 4 was too short and mario gallaxy was about 15 hours wit no online. Reviewers take these things into consideration and that is why we don't have a 40+ hour game, such as Mass Effect with an average rating or a 6 hour game, such as CoD4 with good online play, with a perfect rating. Kane and Lynch is in no way a 2, I am as pissed about Jeffs forced leave as anyone else, but 6 was a "just right" rating.

1)Have you ever seen a mario game with online play? No. Mario was not meant to punch 32 other Marios.

2)CoD4's shortness is normal. Anyone could get through CoD games in around that time. Plus, the campaign is amazingly fun and deep for CoD, taking adventurous moves like in All ghillied up.

The problem is that these days, a 6 is not a "just right" rating. It is a bad rating, and gamers that use these scores as a guide of sorts feel like they should not buy the game. Most ratings 1-10 really are a 7-10 scale, and anything lower than that might was well fall into the "UNTOUCHABLE" caste, because I suppose it would appear that the thought process is, "such and such game got higher scores, and I hated that game. Looks like a no."

I really think that the price of games has held a large influence on decisions, especially since the inflation. People don't like to "experiment" on a game that cost them $70, it's just too much. That's why $20 games sell like crazy, the populace doesn't see it as a loss.

The problem is that these days, a 6 is not a "just right" rating. It is a bad rating, and gamers that use these scores as a guide of sorts feel like they should not buy the game. Most ratings 1-10 really are a 7-10 scale, and anything lower than that might was well fall into the "UNTOUCHABLE" caste, because I suppose it would appear that the thought process is, "such and such game got higher scores, and I hated that game. Looks like a no."

I really think that the price of games has held a large influence on decisions, especially since the inflation. People don't like to "experiment" on a game that cost them $70, it's just too much. That's why $20 games sell like crazy, the populace doesn't see it as a loss.

SingtheSorrow1

[QUOTE="Danold"]

[QUOTE="PaVILiOn_010"]Call of Duty 4 and Mario Galaxy. Two truly underappreciated titles who deserve the upmost respect from developers. They need to follow the examples made by these guys. They don't take advantage of the dreams of kids who expect something phenominal. These aren't the same thing as the previous game in the series.PaVILiOn_010

Thats about as simple minded as gaming gets, if Halo is so over-rated then why does it have such a stable fan base? Servers will be filled with people 3-5 years from now n Halo 3 and thats quite an accomplishment. Each game has its downfalls and its good points, CoD 4 was too short and mario gallaxy was about 15 hours wit no online. Reviewers take these things into consideration and that is why we don't have a 40+ hour game, such as Mass Effect with an average rating or a 6 hour game, such as CoD4 with good online play, with a perfect rating. Kane and Lynch is in no way a 2, I am as pissed about Jeffs forced leave as anyone else, but 6 was a "just right" rating.

1)Have you ever seen a mario game with online play? No. Mario was not meant to punch 32 other Marios.

2)CoD4's shortness is normal. Anyone could get through CoD games in around that time. Plus, the campaign is amazingly fun and deep for CoD, taking adventurous moves like in All ghillied up.

Both your points are true but I was not criticizing those games, just stating that while the devs have a system that worksand they stick to it there is not much inovation. Sure running on worlds is fun and modern fighting is exciting but they did not go above and beyond. Imagine Mario galaxy gameplay with friends, capture the flag... whatever. Its that kind of effort that deserves a 10, and 9.5 was fare I believe. But at least Kane and Lynch took a risk with fragile alliance, it was not polished and somewhat of a letdown but for there effort and "inovative" gameplay ideas, they deserve a 6, not a 2. Look at Big Rigs and tell me K&L is one rating above that.

I doubt that in the end, a game that made anything below a seven will be recieving a sequel, and that the extra cash is used for a sequel.My guess is that it gets pocketed my the big-wigs, or goes into the company for yet another failed attempt.

The fact is that it doesn't matter where then ten bucks goes, it's where it comes from: The Consumer. I read the OXM article, most people haven't, and the article only game out about a year after the change. I assure you that anyone who bought Zero G Fighters probably won't see their extra cash going towards a ZGF2

Kayne and Lynch is a piece of dog crap. I rented the game (before this whole GS thing happened), I played it for like 5 minutes and I swear, I hated it so much I wanted to take a dump on the disc. Jeff was right, K&L IS an UGLY UGLY game.TraXxX

Intelligent comments like this are the reason you can never trust the gaming community when deciding which titles to buy or to not buy.

[QUOTE="TraXxX"]Kayne and Lynch is a piece of dog crap. I rented the game (before this whole GS thing happened), I played it for like 5 minutes and I swear, I hated it so much I wanted to take a dump on the disc. Jeff was right, K&L IS an UGLY UGLY game.Andrew_Xavier

Intelligent comments like this are the reason you can never trust the gaming community when deciding which titles to buy or to not buy.

I agree, gamespots user base credibility is slowly slipping.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="TraXxX"]Kayne and Lynch is a piece of dog crap. I rented the game (before this whole GS thing happened), I played it for like 5 minutes and I swear, I hated it so much I wanted to take a dump on the disc. Jeff was right, K&L IS an UGLY UGLY game.Danold

Intelligent comments like this are the reason you can never trust the gaming community when deciding which titles to buy or to not buy.

I agree, gamespots user base credibility is slowly slipping.

Slowly? Or non-existant?

There are good members, but, for the most part it seems the forums are filled with

"DAT GAME IZ CRAPY!" or "DIS GAM IZ DA GOD!"

It isn't often people back up their arguements anymore =/

Whoa, whoa.

I'm a GSer, loyally, too.
I try to keep a decent reputation for myself, and to bring back up GSes rep as having at least a few intellects.

KnL is a mad game i dnt get y people hate it its tricky at first but once you learn how to play it its really fun im glad Jeffs fired he gave a good game a bad reviewdelta4062

My biggest complaint was the cover system. I didn't think it would be that bad til I played it. Sometimes you need to cover and shoot quickly, not bump up against something and hope to the almighty that you stick. I think in shooters especially, you need a cover button.

Cover system is definetly flawed, even I'll admit that.

Theres definitely something fishy about the whole thing.. but its tied into the details of Jeffs termination, so we'll never truly know what happened. Having said that though... I honestly don't believe they were pressured by Eidos to fire Jeff, or to influence their reviews. Over the last several months infact, this site has been known for giving relatively LOW scores for very high profile (and highly advertised) games.

Don't get me wrong.. back when this rumor was looking to be absolutely true, due to no response from GS, and due to the nature of the staffs blogs at the time, I was up in arms too. But just take an hour to read the editors blogs now that they've all talked about it, see all the responses they've given about the whole thing, and it really does put it all into perspective. I think most of us jumped the gun a little bit, but it was only because we didn't want such BULL to go unresolved. Thing is these guys are closer to all of it than we are, and its dumb for us to think they wouldnt be upset (x10 compared to us) over it, and aren't doing way more than we ever could to solve the problem.

To satisfy the conspiracy of them being bribed for good reviews though... you're just not going to find too many examples of that ever having happened. Metroid Prime 3 for example.. 8.5. Not a bad score at all, but considering the amount of hype surrounding it, people were enraged to see anything below a 9.. same deal with Mass Effect. Guitar Hero 3... hugely popular game, darn near everyone and their dog is playing it but it only scored an 8.0. Uncharted.. 8.0. People are wrongly using the scores as a confirmation device that their personal interests and purchases are correct, therefore they take it VERY PERSONALLY when the true scores of the game itself is given, especially if its a number they consider to be low.

No doubt this is where I just qued about 30 people to respond in saying that some game they claim to hate, got a good review.. but thats just how it goes sometimes. It doesn't make a review (or you) wrong or corrupt when your own personal interests, and biases reflect in the opposite direction of a professional review.

[QUOTE="Danold"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="TraXxX"]Kayne and Lynch is a piece of dog crap. I rented the game (before this whole GS thing happened), I played it for like 5 minutes and I swear, I hated it so much I wanted to take a dump on the disc. Jeff was right, K&L IS an UGLY UGLY game.Andrew_Xavier

Intelligent comments like this are the reason you can never trust the gaming community when deciding which titles to buy or to not buy.

I agree, gamespots user base credibility is slowly slipping.

Slowly? Or non-existant?

There are good members, but, for the most part it seems the forums are filled with

"DAT GAME IZ CRAPY!" or "DIS GAM IZ DA GOD!"

It isn't often people back up their arguements anymore =/

We are talking about video games here, not politics so don't take it so seriously. I'm not even making an argument here, I just gave my opinion about the game.

Ya i think so...... i own the the game!!!!!! wast of freakin money in my case!!!! man i gonna start waching the review like 10x to make sure i like it....... dont know what i didnt like about it i just thought it was one of the worse games to me probolly about 4/10 for me and halo 3 not 6/10 more like 8-9/10Halo3_RBS

It's a bit too old for you anyways,

it is an 18+ game, even thought I disagree with age limitations on games.

[QUOTE="Halo3_RBS"]Ya i think so...... i own the the game!!!!!! wast of freakin money in my case!!!! man i gonna start waching the review like 10x to make sure i like it....... dont know what i didnt like about it i just thought it was one of the worse games to me probolly about 4/10 for me and halo 3 not 6/10 more like 8-9/10Andrew_Xavier

In regards to age restrictions: To me, it's not the age of the player that matters, it's the mental maturity, and I think a good family or upbringing will render that.

This is actually quite interesting, Xavier.
Why did you choose to be a socialist?
This isn't condecending, I honestly want to know.

It's a bit too old for you anyways,

it is an 18+ game, even thought I disagree with age limitations on games.

Whoa, I quoted that wrong, here's the revised form:

In regards to age restrictions: To me, it's not the age of the player that matters, it's the mental maturity, and I think a good family or upbringing will render that.

This is actually quite interesting, Xavier.
Why did you choose to be a socialist?
This isn't condecending, I honestly want to know.