Well folks, I tend to not start my own topics often, but this was startin to get silly... Why is everyone all pissy because of an Xbox with an HDMI port.... -HDMI is only useful for 1080p....that's it. -You can buy the 120gb hard-drive for your current 360 which will allow you to use IPTV and store lots of shows and movies. -You can sell your old 20gb drive, so you can get the 120gb drive cheaper...(The will also help core system people get a 20gb drive for cheap) -VGA actually allows 1080p and most new 1080p HDTVs have VGA input....
HDMI is not worth the upgrade to the elite version....it's especially a waste if you don't have a 1080p TV....No one should be cranky...if you want more hard-drive space...get the bigger one.... So we all need to just chill out....it's really not a big deal...it's kind of a stupid upgrade, actually, which probably explains why it's limited release...
Its seems to me that the biggest gripe is the price. Some posters don't like the fact that its only $20 less than the cheapest PS3, even though the new 360 will have an HD 6 times bigger than the cheapest PS3, a wireless controller, and is, overall, better than the PS3. Some of these posters are saying that the new 360 should be way cheaper than the cheapest PS3 because the cheap PS3 has Blu-ray, but I don't think anybody should really care. Blu-ray's lead over HD-DVD has slipped dramatically (3 to 1 media sales, to 2 to 1) so I wouldn't be dying to get one. When the time comes, get an HD-DVD player.
You forgot something important. The processor will be on 65nm instead of 90nm which means, less power hungry so will run cooler. Thats a good thing about this "new" console plus, like you say, the HDMI (for 1080p HDTVs) and the 120gb HDD.
Its seems to me that the biggest gripe is the price. Some posters don't like the fact that its only $20 less than the cheapest PS3, even though the new 360 will have an HD 6 times bigger than the cheapest PS3, a wireless controller, and is, overall, better than the PS3. Some of these posters are saying that the new 360 should be way cheaper than the cheapest PS3 because the cheap PS3 has Blu-ray, but I don't think anybody should really care. Blu-ray's lead over HD-DVD has slipped dramatically (3 to 1 media sales, to 2 to 1) so I wouldn't be dying to get one. When the time comes, get an HD-DVD player.funbunny
Price shouldn't matter when you don't even need the thing....it's a silly upgrade...it's for people with 1080p TVs....which is like how many?...less than 7% of HDTV owners. If your buying a 360 buy a core system with the 120gb hard-drive....or wait until the premium comes out for 399.99 with the 120gb hardrive...or just upgrade your current 360 with a 120gb hard-drive....there is no reason to buy the elite....HDMI is not worth it....
You forgot something important. The processor will be on 65nm instead of 90nm which means, less power hungry so will run cooler. Thats a good thing about this "new" console plus, like you say, the HDMI (for 1080p HDTVs) and the 120gb HDD.
Let's just wait and see some more.
Rhezuss
Yes it has advantages but nothing that you can't do with your current 360... -I can do 1080p through VGA -I can get the 120gb hard-drive Oh, wait my processor isn't 65nm, but it performs the same....albiet a bit warmer... People are making a big deal over a small upgrade...
Also something to consider. The black 360 is rumored to come bundled with the HDMI cable, which is something the other console did/does not do. Considering hte price of HDMI cables, that is also a selling point of note.Â
FFS. Seriously, stop spamming up the boards, I'm sick and tired of this. THERES A DAMN STICKY! SO FREAKING USE IT! Honoustly, just a moment ago on the front page there was three topics, I'm pasting this into all three of them. This hasn't even been confirmed! It's a rumour, jeez guys, how do you think a lame website or a magazine gets people to buy/visit it? If you saw "New xbox confirmed!" in a magazine you'd want to read it or at least buy it, same thing goes @ websites starting rumours. When it spreads to forums ect, people will click for proof and visit it. MS squashed this rumour a few months ago, by saying someone had got ahold of an experiment at their testing facilities. THe black cases you see are mods. Look on google, there are plenty of them around. GameSpot hasn't even confirmed it FFS. The only evidence i've seen is from a few obscene webpages with jack all credibility. Rant over.
FFS. Seriously, stop spamming up the boards, I'm sick and tired of this. THERES A DAMN STICKY! SO FREAKING USE IT! Honoustly, just a moment ago on the front page there was three topics, I'm pasting this into all three of them. This hasn't even been confirmed! It's a rumour, jeez guys, how do you think a lame website or a magazine gets people to buy/visit it? If you saw "New xbox confirmed!" in a magazine you'd want to read it or at least buy it, same thing goes @ websites starting rumours. When it spreads to forums ect, people will click for proof and visit it. MS squashed this rumour a few months ago, by saying someone had got ahold of an experiment at their testing facilities. THe black cases you see are mods. Look on google, there are plenty of them around. GameSpot hasn't even confirmed it FFS. The only evidence i've seen is from a few obscene webpages with jack all credibility. Rant over.death1505921
Do you want a hanky....you gonna squirt some..... Seriously, if my topic wasn't valid it would have been locked...if you don't like the subject don't post or read it... Oooo...there was three topics....ooooo.....big freakin deal, dude....get over yourself....
Also something to consider. The black 360 is rumored to come bundled with the HDMI cable, which is something the other console did/does not do. Considering hte price of HDMI cables, that is also a selling point of note. kintzer
If you already have a 360 there is no point as VGA already does the same things....and the current console comes with component HD cables, which will support 1080i or 720p....which is what resolutions 90% of 360 users have....
You forgot something important. The processor will be on 65nm instead of 90nm which means, less power hungry so will run cooler. Thats a good thing about this "new" console plus, like you say, the HDMI (for 1080p HDTVs) and the 120gb HDD.
Let's just wait and see some more.
Rhezuss
what are you talking about? the xboxmk2? its not confirmed at all.
in all honesty i think it pretty much boild down to thwe hard drive for me. considering i bought my xbox 360 TWO DAYS AGO. i should be fuming but i am not. but what does suck is that for $80 more than i just spent i could have had a LOT more HD space cuz since i just bought this itll end up being the price of a PS3 for me itll be $400 +200. and even if i did sell the HD how much of a dent would it make on the $200 when the drive IS out? if i am lucky $80 then itll just be a BASE ps3 $400 +$120. i would have waited another month for it had i known about this cuz i wasnt in a big hurry to buy now . in MY opinion its more about the hard drive than the hdmi cuz 1080p id ALREADY atainable. my bro has had a 360 for 5 months playing on my dads hdtv through vga. now if i lived with them still id be happy with that. lol
 i personally dont believe in the black xbox thing. but i DO believe in the premium coming with the new HD and the core getting the 20gb so publishers can FINALLY make games like before knowing the HD will BE THERE
in all honesty i think it pretty much boild down to thwe hard drive for me. considering i bought my xbox 360 TWO DAYS AGO. i should be fuming but i am not. but what does suck is that for $80 more than i just spent i could have had a LOT more HD space cuz since i just bought this itll end up being the price of a PS3 for me itll be $400 +200. and even if i did sell the HD how much of a dent would it make on the $200 when the drive IS out? if i am lucky $80 then itll just be a BASE ps3 $400 +$120. i would have waited another month for it had i known about this cuz i wasnt in a big hurry to buy now . in MY opinion its more about the hard drive than the hdmi cuz 1080p id ALREADY atainable. my bro has had a 360 for 5 months playing on my dads hdtv through vga. now if i lived with them still id be happy with that. lol
 i personally dont believe in the black xbox thing. but i DO believe in the premium coming with the new HD and the core getting the 20gb so publishers can FINALLY make games like before knowing the HD will BE THERE
eoplocust
You'll be ok, say the 120gb drive is 150 bucks....you could sell your 20gb for like $70 to someone who can't afford the $150 or they just don't need the extra space....you would only be paying $80 for the 120gb....which is close to the difference of the elite system.... They only thing you won't have is HDMI....but you can use VGA for 1080p, if you ever need it....Â
[QUOTE="kintzer"]Also something to consider. The black 360 is rumored to come bundled with the HDMI cable, which is something the other console did/does not do. Considering hte price of HDMI cables, that is also a selling point of note. TheSmacK420
If you already have a 360 there is no point as VGA already does the same things....and the current console comes with component HD cables, which will support 1080i or 720p....which is what resolutions 90% of 360 users have....
 I guess I wasn't too clear with my previous post. What I meant by "other console" was Sony's console. That post was in response to others complaining that the price of hte black 360 was too close to sony's 30gb model. The point I was trying to make was that, I believe, Sony's console failed to include an HDMI cable whereas the rumor is that the Zephyr will have one bundled. Consider that HDMI cables can run from $80 - $100.Â
Check your facts man. Most "new" HDTVs do NOT have a vga connection. Most of them are dropping the VGA and going with HDMI since that is what is being supported by Hollywood.
Well folks, I tend to not start my own topics often, but this was startin to get silly... Why is everyone all pissy because of an Xbox with an HDMI port.... -HDMI is only useful for 1080p....that's it. -You can buy the 120gb hard-drive for your current 360 which will allow you to use IPTV and store lots of shows and movies. -You can sell your old 20gb drive, so you can get the 120gb drive cheaper...(The will also help core system people get a 20gb drive for cheap) -VGA actually allows 1080p and most new 1080p HDTVs have VGA input....
HDMI is not worth the upgrade to the elite version....it's especially a waste if you don't have a 1080p TV....No one should be cranky...if you want more hard-drive space...get the bigger one.... So we all need to just chill out....it's really not a big deal...it's kind of a stupid upgrade, actually, which probably explains why it's limited release...TheSmacK420
 I disagree. I'm very upset to the notion of a 360 version superior to my own. I always get the top of the line model. Now I feel inferior. You can get the bigger drive but I'm now spending more money and this 400 dollar system is now turning into a 600 dollar system. HDMI is more important then you think because it can output 7.1 uncompressed audio where optic can output only 5.1. Also this must suck for the people that just bought a 360 because they should have waited.
Check your facts man. Most "new" HDTVs do NOT have a vga connection. Most of them are dropping the VGA and going with HDMI since that is what is being supported by Hollywood.Hydrolix
Ummm....I was just at tweeter and almost every HDTV had VGA input....and the newer models of Sony all have them.... They use them for PC connection cause PCs don't use HDMI well....the HDMi connection is not pixel to pixel and the screen has overscan, so if you use certain TVs with HDMI a small part of the picture gets cut off....so you use the VGA port and the image is displayed with no overscan.... TV companies will support whatever there customers want regaurdless of what hollywood wants...
[QUOTE="TheSmacK420"] Well folks, I tend to not start my own topics often, but this was startin to get silly... Why is everyone all pissy because of an Xbox with an HDMI port.... -HDMI is only useful for 1080p....that's it. -You can buy the 120gb hard-drive for your current 360 which will allow you to use IPTV and store lots of shows and movies. -You can sell your old 20gb drive, so you can get the 120gb drive cheaper...(The will also help core system people get a 20gb drive for cheap) -VGA actually allows 1080p and most new 1080p HDTVs have VGA input....
HDMI is not worth the upgrade to the elite version....it's especially a waste if you don't have a 1080p TV....No one should be cranky...if you want more hard-drive space...get the bigger one.... So we all need to just chill out....it's really not a big deal...it's kind of a stupid upgrade, actually, which probably explains why it's limited release...pjoasil
 I disagree. I'm very upset to the notion of a 360 version superior to my own. I always get the top of the line model. Now I feel inferior. You can get the bigger drive but I'm now spending more money and this 400 dollar system is now turning into a 600 dollar system. HDMI is more important then you think because it can output 7.1 uncompressed audio where optic can output only 5.1. Also this must suck for the people that just bought a 360 because they should have waited.
The xbox doesn't do 7.1....it only does dolby digital 5.1....HDMI doesn't do anything for an Xbox 360 but allow 1080p for TVs that don't have VGA.... Just cause you have an HDMI port added doesn't mean the system is taking advantage of it....look in your 360 sound options if you don't believe me.... It's not superior....it's the same thing with a new output dongle....and if you're jealous of that then by all means drop a bunch of money for no reason.....
[QUOTE="death1505921"]I asked a mod about it. Use the sticky.TheSmacK420
Oh my lord....you went to narc on me....you went and told you're gamespot mom? Well, I asked too, and my gamespot mom said it was ok....... Your pretty childish arn't you? I went to speak to a mod about creating a sticky to stop all the spam on this boards about this. He agreed with me and updated the sticky. Now if you would be so kind and to post there, since you're obviously more mature than i am *sarcasm* you would be above me and just post there without causing arguments correct? Although obviously I'm wrong cause im so imature *sarcasm*.
[QUOTE="TheSmacK420"][QUOTE="death1505921"]I asked a mod about it. Use the sticky.death1505921
Oh my lord....you went to narc on me....you went and told you're gamespot mom? Well, I asked too, and my gamespot mom said it was ok....... Your pretty childish arn't you? I went to speak to a mod about creating a sticky to stop all the spam on this boards about this. He agreed with me and updated the sticky. Now if you would be so kind and to post there, since you're obviously more mature than i am *sarcasm* you would be above me and just post there without causing arguments correct? Although obviously I'm wrong cause im so imature *sarcasm*. Awww, come on I was just teasing you.....don't be so fragile.....I just thought it was funny that people posting the same stuff had you in such a huff.....
[QUOTE="creekfan_basic"]HDMI does more than just video...the upgrade is sound over optical is also a big benefit. TheSmacK420
Not with the 360....games only support 5.1 dolby digital with Pro WMV....so no audio upgrade either....
Games only support 5.1 now since that is all it can do, if they add HDMI developers can upgrade the audio also, but I was more referring to HD-DVD and DDHD, DD+, should of made that clear.
im pretty pi**ed about all this. now ive had 3 units in the space of 3 months since i bought mine in jan 07. now thats not a problem. my problem is what are they going to do with all the old white units that come back. are they going to send V2 replacements or the old white V1s ones. also can you upgrade to the new model. i may willing to pay a fair price if so. thirdly will it be the same in the UK.
[QUOTE="TheSmacK420"][QUOTE="creekfan_basic"]HDMI does more than just video...the upgrade is sound over optical is also a big benefit. creekfan_basic
Not with the 360....games only support 5.1 dolby digital with Pro WMV....so no audio upgrade either....
Games only support 5.1 now since that is all it can do, if they add HDMI developers can upgrade the audio also, but I was more referring to HD-DVD and DDHD, DD+, should of made that clear.
The audio card isn't upgraded is it? It is a hardware limitation....the Xbox outputs 5.1 cause that is all it can do....you can't magically make it output 7.1.....and as far as I know....the HD-DVD player is not integrated....... I don't think the 360 can use uncompressed audio data....the audio chipset doesn't support that.... The spec of the 360 only mention use of compressed audio streams....you can't just send uncompressed data to a sound chip unless it is supported.... Uncompressed sound is actually one of the big differences between the 360 and the PS3....
I'm not usualy bothered by this type of stuff, but for the past few days the entire board has been packed with this crap.death1505921
Well, just relax....it's a game forum....your taking it way too seriously....it's just a big rumor that everyone is talking about....it will go away when something else crazy happens....
You forgot something important. The processor will be on 65nm instead of 90nm which means, less power hungry so will run cooler. Thats a good thing about this "new" console plus, like you say, the HDMI (for 1080p HDTVs) and the 120gb HDD.
Do any games on 360 actually play on 1080p? 1080p is available through component? Im not sure 1080i is enough for me, its bad enough I get headaches from 1080i, I don't need 1080p blinding me I don't think my HDTV has VGA, It has HDMI though and HDMI cables (generic-non branded) is about £13 for a 1.8 metre cable Leave HDMI till the next console oh and this Xbox 360 V2 is probably an april fools joke
Do any games on 360 actually play on 1080p? 1080p is available through component? Im not sure 1080i is enough for me, its bad enough I get headaches from 1080i, I don't need 1080p blinding me I don't think my HDTV has VGA, It has HDMI though and HDMI cables (generic-non branded) is about £13 for a 1.8 metre cable Leave HDMI till the next console oh and this Xbox 360 V2 is probably an april fools jokeWWIAB
Hey man, I have a buddy who had issues with headaches. All he did was change his resolution to 720p and he felt much better...you may want to try it.
[QUOTE="WWIAB"]Do any games on 360 actually play on 1080p? 1080p is available through component? Im not sure 1080i is enough for me, its bad enough I get headaches from 1080i, I don't need 1080p blinding me I don't think my HDTV has VGA, It has HDMI though and HDMI cables (generic-non branded) is about £13 for a 1.8 metre cable Leave HDMI till the next console oh and this Xbox 360 V2 is probably an april fools jokeTheSmacK420
Hey man, I have a buddy who had issues with headaches. All he did was change his resolution to 720p and he felt much better...you may want to try it. Thanks Ill try it, I've only had HD for a couple of days, My Tv doesn't support 1080p through component, it is only 19inch widescreen but its great for my room,
You forgot something important. The processor will be on 65nm instead of 90nm which means, less power hungry so will run cooler. Thats a good thing about this "new" console plus, like you say, the HDMI (for 1080p HDTVs) and the 120gb HDD.
Let's just wait and see some more.
Rhezuss
If i am correct all new 360s (even the non elite vers) will be getting the improved processor (cheaper for Microsoft and less over heating for the people who haven't learned that a shoe box isn't a good place for a 360).
[QUOTE="TheSmacK420"] Well folks, I tend to not start my own topics often, but this was startin to get silly... Why is everyone all pissy because of an Xbox with an HDMI port.... -HDMI is only useful for 1080p....that's it. -You can buy the 120gb hard-drive for your current 360 which will allow you to use IPTV and store lots of shows and movies. -You can sell your old 20gb drive, so you can get the 120gb drive cheaper...(The will also help core system people get a 20gb drive for cheap) -VGA actually allows 1080p and most new 1080p HDTVs have VGA input....
HDMI is not worth the upgrade to the elite version....it's especially a waste if you don't have a 1080p TV....No one should be cranky...if you want more hard-drive space...get the bigger one.... So we all need to just chill out....it's really not a big deal...it's kind of a stupid upgrade, actually, which probably explains why it's limited release...TheSmacK420
 I disagree. I'm very upset to the notion of a 360 version superior to my own. I always get the top of the line model. Now I feel inferior. You can get the bigger drive but I'm now spending more money and this 400 dollar system is now turning into a 600 dollar system. HDMI is more important then you think because it can output 7.1 uncompressed audio where optic can output only 5.1. Also this must suck for the people that just bought a 360 because they should have waited.
The xbox doesn't do 7.1....it only does dolby digital 5.1....HDMI doesn't do anything for an Xbox 360 but allow 1080p for TVs that don't have VGA.... Just cause you have an HDMI port added doesn't mean the system is taking advantage of it....look in your 360 sound options if you don't believe me.... It's not superior....it's the same thing with a new output dongle....and if you're jealous of that then by all means drop a bunch of money for no reason.....
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to buy the new xbox 360. I'm just mad that I have the old own. About the 7.1 thing I was saying that HDMI makes 7.1 possible and with an HDMI cable added then the new Xbox 360 can do 7.1.
Also something to consider. The black 360 is rumored to come bundled with the HDMI cable, which is something the other console did/does not do. Considering hte price of HDMI cables, that is also a selling point of note. kintzer
[QUOTE="TheSmacK420"] Well folks, I tend to not start my own topics often, but this was startin to get silly... Why is everyone all pissy because of an Xbox with an HDMI port.... -HDMI is only useful for 1080p....that's it. -You can buy the 120gb hard-drive for your current 360 which will allow you to use IPTV and store lots of shows and movies. -You can sell your old 20gb drive, so you can get the 120gb drive cheaper...(The will also help core system people get a 20gb drive for cheap) -VGA actually allows 1080p and most new 1080p HDTVs have VGA input....
HDMI is not worth the upgrade to the elite version....it's especially a waste if you don't have a 1080p TV....No one should be cranky...if you want more hard-drive space...get the bigger one.... So we all need to just chill out....it's really not a big deal...it's kind of a stupid upgrade, actually, which probably explains why it's limited release...pjoasil
 I disagree. I'm very upset to the notion of a 360 version superior to my own. I always get the top of the line model. Now I feel inferior. You can get the bigger drive but I'm now spending more money and this 400 dollar system is now turning into a 600 dollar system. HDMI is more important then you think because it can output 7.1 uncompressed audio where optic can output only 5.1. Also this must suck for the people that just bought a 360 because they should have waited.
The xbox doesn't do 7.1....it only does dolby digital 5.1....HDMI doesn't do anything for an Xbox 360 but allow 1080p for TVs that don't have VGA.... Just cause you have an HDMI port added doesn't mean the system is taking advantage of it....look in your 360 sound options if you don't believe me.... It's not superior....it's the same thing with a new output dongle....and if you're jealous of that then by all means drop a bunch of money for no reason.....
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to buy the new xbox 360. I'm just mad that I have the old own. About the 7.1 thing I was saying that HDMI makes 7.1 possible and with an HDMI cable added then the new Xbox 360 can do 7.1.
I don't think that's right....I don't believe the 360 supports 7.1 at all....the audio chip would need hardware support for 7.1....I have never seen that listed in the 360 spec.....the cable doesn't just make it work like magic...it has to be there, in hardware, already....
I know my solution to all this is to just buy a can of spray paint and .... viola!! Black 360. And I saved 500+ dollars. I don't have overheating problems, and most likely won't use IPTV, but may at some point get the larger HDD, as long as it isn't over $100. You can buy HDDs much larger than 120 gigs for less than that. Praise Newegg :)
Not to change the subject, but I will, isn't it ironic how when Sony talked about HDMI MS said you don't need it (in various interviews) and how Sony said they were doing backward compatability the right way and now they are removing their PS2 chip. Bunch o' hypocrites!
Not to change the subject, but I will, isn't it ironic how when Sony talked about HDMI MS said you don't need it (in various interviews) and how Sony said they were doing backward compatability the right way and now they are removing their PS2 chip. Bunch o' hypocrites! headninjadog
I still think Microsoft feels that way...I just think people are asking for it and don't even know there is not much benifit....so Microsoft is like "Ok, you want it, here it is...."
I think that is why people are talking about a limited release....if they don't sell out fast, MS will probably never add HDMI till the next Xbox...they can just leave the premium as is and save even more on the system...
I get 1080i/1080p with my VGA so no need for HDMI and i can get the 120 GB HD and if I want it black I will just get a black box which they sell online and since my warrenty is out
I know my solution to all this is to just buy a can of spray paint and .... viola!! Black 360. And I saved 500+ dollars. I don't have overheating problems, and most likely won't use IPTV, but may at some point get the larger HDD, as long as it isn't over $100. You can buy HDDs much larger than 120 gigs for less than that. Praise Newegg :)stoutlad
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