wa wa wa... look dudes just becuase a studio has a name doesn't mean the people that made them great will stay. Understandolio.

So why not get some deals in place with some of these devs , like MS did with Bungie and let them do their thing.

You cant keep a great artist or programmer all the time. They want to do their own thing. So recognize that and everything will be ok.

[QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

Again with the really weak arguments. But I'll still answer your question if it makes you feel better. No, I don't find having the potential to add on something you don't need for gaming purposes to the Xbox 360 Arcade to be particularly ironic.

Zoso-8

The reason it's ironic is because the thread title states $199 but we all know any gamer that buys this will end up having to get an HDD, thus making the $199 price not really true. With game saves, DLC, great downloadable games like Braid, GW2, and Castle Crashers, how could you not get one? This is only a desperate attempt by MS to reach out to the casuals, which Nintendo already won over a year ago :|.

No. I don't want to do anything but play my games I buy on a disk. I go into it knowing I don't want to take advantage of any other options the 360 offers.

uncompressed audio, textures and redundant data.

uncharted which was a 8 hour game with no coop, splitscreen or online was 22 gb. please stop with this blu ray is needed bull crap. anyone with basic knowledge of computer hardware knows that sony pr is feeding you all bs and you keep eating it like good little sheep.

mephisto_11

ditto

[QUOTE="WillieBeamish"]

[QUOTE="karasill"]No hard drive = fail. Some games benifit greatly with the hard drive when it comes to loading times and even framerates to a lesser extent. It may be cheaper then the Wii but for $199 you're getting a gimped Xbox 360 that shouldn't have existed in the first place.VendettaRed07

Why shouldn't it exist? I can play COD4, Orange Box, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, & GTAIV right now on my core system and those games will run better than an 80GB PS3, and that's a fact. The only reason it shouldn't exist is because it shows how much of an overpriced, overengineered steaming pile that the PS3 really is.

bluray, built in wifi, 40gbs of space, free online

To get all that stuff on the 360 youd end up paying more money than 399.

Not needed, overrated, same or more, you get what you pay for.

A xbox360 can't reach it full potential without a hdd but whatever.The pricedrop is only 50 dollars not that big of a deal.Iceman2911

"FULL POTENTIAL", what the hell does that mean ?

Play Mass Effect on 199 Xbox 360 you get the same experience if you play it on a 299 or 399 Xbox 360.

Wow

[QUOTE="karasill"]No hard drive = fail. Some games benifit greatly with the hard drive when it comes to loading times and even framerates to a lesser extent. It may be cheaper then the Wii but for $199 you're getting a gimped Xbox 360 that shouldn't have existed in the first place.WillieBeamish

Why shouldn't it exist? I can play COD4, Orange Box, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, & GTAIV right now on my core system and those games will run better than an 80GB PS3, and that's a fact. The only reason it shouldn't exist is because it shows how much of an overpriced, overengineered steaming pile that the PS3 really is.

Yeah these haters have no idea. Its about choice.

Don't get me wrong, I would not CHOOSE the 199 model but some with no internet no desire to play games online, or dl music video or movies or shows, the 199 model is perfect.

Do you hater understand that ?

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

Does the Wii have a HDD?

Is it a failure.

What about the PS2?

Hewkii

yeah, but this is a next gen console. :roll:

So the Xbox is a next gen console because it had a HDD.

So we agree the Wii is crap.

Plus 299 usd is the magic number too.

And thats not gimp.

No hard drive = fail. Some games benifit greatly with the hard drive when it comes to loading times and even framerates to a lesser extent. It may be cheaper then the Wii but for $199 you're getting a gimped Xbox 360 that shouldn't have existed in the first place.karasill

Does the Wii have a HDD?

Is it a failure.

What about the PS2?

The PS3 controller is the primary reason I'm not getting a PS3. Well not yet. The PS3 controller feels like crap, flimsy cheap arse crap.