sixringz,
IMo, MJ took it to the personal level. I read somw where thta Horace Grant said he was ok with being traded to Orlando because Jordan said some things to him that he couldn't take and still consider himself a man. Maybe it was this: "you're an Idiot. Youv've screwed up every play we ever ran, Your'e too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you"-Michael to Horace Grant" Search on "jordan, 25 qoutes" for the link.
Other qoutes attributed to MJ:
- "Give me the *****ball" MJ to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine.
- "If you pass the ball to Bill Cartwright, you'll never get the ball from me"
- "He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." MJ yelling at Paxson who passed to Perdue.
As far as MJ and Doug Collins, I believe MJ had a big hand in Collins being fired. I don't believe it was as simple as Collins took the team as far as it could go. It was alos thta he couldn't get MJ to cooperate and play team ball. That hampered Collins getting the most out of the team. Don't have time to post links, but here are a couple of qoutes:
- "In 1988 Doug Collins said.. "Wanna know what the biggest problem in running our offense?.. It's MJ!..he won't pass the ball!!"
- "Doug Collins wanted MJ to pass the ball, MJ didn't like that too much!..and told Jerry Kraus the GM,,,"Either he goes or I go"!.
I remember Kobe not associating much with the teamafter games and teammates thinking he was "holier than thou". But I also remember Kobe saying he came to the NBA to play ball, and that he wasn't into going out to strip clubs and hanging out late night at clubs in general. So he got the "stuck up" label. Some people, myself included , are not into tta stuff an dget labeled. Kobe was all business when it came to practice and the games. I respected that, and didn't care if he didn't hang out with the fellas. Maybe if his teammates took the game as serious as Kobe thye would not have gotten swept so many times in the playoffs early on. If thye didn't get along wih Kobe for not hanging out and saw him as stuck up or aloof that speaks to their lack of maturity, not Kobe's.
I can't post links for some reason here at work and don't have time anyway, but their are links that say Jordan was criticized for shooting too much (I believe during a playoff game), so the next game he shot much less to make a selfish point, thus "tanking" the game. There's also a link that says Mj openly criticized his teammates to the media, if you think he wasn't doing it to outsiders in general, I believe you would be wrong.
No excuse, but Kobe "ratted" on Shaq when he was in panic mode, with his career and marriage about to go up in smoke. Many people do crazy, uncharacteristicthings in a panic. I think he was sweating bullets at that time trying to salvage his career/marriage and blurted out that Shaq had gotten out of this type of situation by bla, bla,bla.......can't I?? But if you see that as bad, I don't see MJ cheating onhis wife, then paying a woman to keep quiet about it as any better.
MJ's not much different from Kobe. Actualy I think MJ was more eogtistical, selfish, rutheless, mean spirited...etc. No time to spell check.
mont13
And let's not forget calling Kwame Brown a "flaming f". Imagine that, coming out of high school with high expectations and then when you are struggling to meet your expectations the GOAT and possibly his hero calling him names. Oh and blackngold29 there are no known plans to do this with other players but i hear Lebron is coming out with a documentary.
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