[QUOTE="tenaka2"]I'd be happy enough to be stunned and then have my neck slit open, I'd still be edible by muslems and non-muslems alike in that instance.RationalAtheist

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"] In the UK, Halal meat is purchased by schools, so that all students have to eat it for the sake of the Islamic students. In fast food outlets, there is also no choice, since places like KFC have a policy of Halal-only meat without adequately informing their customers. In my view, this is political correctness gone mad: Imagine if you could only eat Kosher foods, else Jewish people might be offended!LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

There is nothing I can really say to you. If you don't get why people wouldn't want to eat animals that were ritually slaughtered in the name of someone else's god, then you are not going to get it at all. There are numerous religions in the world, but **** them all apparently, they all get to eat Halal; and apparently they shouldn't complain. As for the none religious, they get meat that may or may not have been appropriately slaughtered. Because regardless of your attempts to paint all Halal slaughter methods as stunning the animal, obviously they won't all be using that method.

[QUOTE="-Y2J-"]

you are being attacked deservidley becuase you are not informed correctly, i doesnt matter that you say your not a member of the edl or read the daily mail, why would i believe you. you keep making the same points that are wrong, so its up to people and your fellow citiens to correct you. what i say wont matter to you and you'll keep believing what you think is in your head or read in the daily heil but i want to make sure that people from outside the UK on this thread know that you are wrong and not believe everything you write.

AnnoyedDragon

You accused me of reading the Daily Mail and being a member of the EDL for the same reasons that a multicultural bidiot calls anyone who doesn't submit to their ideology a bigot/racist/islamaphobe. Its too inconvenient to deal with the actual discussions, so you hunt for labels to attach to them; so that their views are more easily demonized.

The idea that doing anything but bending over backwards for Islam = racism has been drummed into people's heads for so long, that the moment they see any criticism; they instinctivly lash out at that person to prove just how tolerant they are. They're too busy fussing over details such a labeling and what Muslims would buy, to accept the basic fact that Halal meat is being widely distributed throughout the UK; without labelling. They think if they fuss over little details enough, that they can discredit a basic reality.

You're quite extreme in your conspiracy theories... those social leaders would need access to the companies which make the meat, but... oh I'm sure you have some kind of propogandist/paranoid answer for that. What I'm taking away from this is basically that you're afraid, dont really understand other cultures or like them and have no desire to do either. This has led to you buying propoganda without a critical eye, and makes you sem pretty bigoted. How unfortunate.

Frame_Dragger

And you're no different than the above.

The time spent away from this thread was useful, in that I could look back and see what went wrong. The premise of your argument is to discredit the existence of Halal meat in the UK food supply (which isn't up for debate) by questioning the value of Halal meat that isn't labelled for Muslims to see. But I stated multiple times earlier that people are being fed Halal because it is not economical to keep separate from none Halal meat. Just Halal the lot, makes things easier and cheaper. So the fact that Muslims cannot see that the meat is Halal; is not a argument against its existence, because it just enters public consumption through the mass use of the Halal method on typical meat products.

Of course you can just use your approach to the above, and just keep declaring everything I say a conspiracy theory, it's a less aggressive statement than just screaming racism at me. Because Halal meat being eaten by the general public, without their knowledge, is not a theory; it's a fact. And it's going to remain a fact, regardless of your attempts to state otherwise.

And Muslisms wonder why people look down upon them...

ChrisSpartan117

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

but the passengers will be good enough to stop anyone from hijacking. a wannabe hijacker would know this and that's why they focus on bombs and blowing up the plane right away.

JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="-Y2J-"]

no, anything halal must be labelled with the arabic logo / logos from a few boards or whatever, no logo, no purchase. again if its not labelled we wont buy it

AnnoyedDragon

And yet supermarkets sell unlabelled Halal meat anyway.

As I said, they argued it is not economical to separate Halal from none Halal, so effectively everyone has to eat Halal; just so Muslims can have Halal.

no, annoyedDragon read to much daily mail, and doesnt actually know what he is talking about. i still dont understand why businesses would sell halal meat secretley, if its not labelled then thepeople your selling for wont buy it, they wont buy just becuase you say it is. -Y2J-

I don't read the daily mail, I don't support the EDL, and I don't appreciate apologists hunting around for excuses to discredit anyone who dares speak out against a real problem.

Because anyone who tries to comment on these problems are a racist/bigot/islamaphobe, right? That's why these problems won't get resolved.

Now, I've got some friends over I have to tend to, so I won't be posting in this thread for a bit. It's also fatiguing to be one guy being attacked from all sides, by people who are all too eager to criticise than recognise there are actual problems that need to be tackled.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

You seem to be misreading and demonising the process. See:

The supermarkets and fast-food outlets said they did not feel the need to tell customers that meat is halal because the slaughter conformed to Western standards, with animals stunned before being killed.

AnnoyedDragon

I don't believe my own government/businesses when it comes to Muslims, because in the name of multiculturalism, they wouldn't allow the public to know if they weren't conforming. There have been incidents where Muslim gangs roamed around London attacking people they thought were Jews, a obvious hate crime, and they simply dubbed it a community misunderstanding... The real islamahobes are the ones afraid to say anything negative about what is right in their face.

Regardless. So stunning animals prior makes it ok to trick the entire population of a country, regardless of whether they are Muslim or not, to eat Halal meat? And yes, it is tricking them, because they cannot make an informed decision when the meat isn't labelled. Aren't we going to consider the views of Catholics and other religions on the matter? Or aren't our politicians afraid of them enough to care about their opinion.

whats the point of not labelling halal meat, muslims wont buy it if its not labelled. -Y2J-

I'm sure Muslims are informed what products/brands are Halal by their social leaders.

So from what I'm reading, AnnoyedDragon is against multiculturalism and the rest of you guys are against his assertion?

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Not really for me its more to do with takeaways and restaurants which are pretty much all halal. If I restricted myself from having the odd curry or fried chicken takeway I'd feel like I was missing out.

AnnoyedDragon

Some of the largest supermarkets in the UK. Sainsbury's, Tesco and M&S. All stock unlabelled Halal meat.

So how are you supposed to avoid Halal, when the biggest supermarkets in the UK refuse to label it? It's not just chippy food.

And no, why should someone remove meat from their diet entirely, just because they don't want to eat meat that was ritually sacrificed to the Muslim god, in a none Muslim country? They are effectively saying FU to all other religions in the country, accommodating Muslims above all others.