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It doesn't warrant it,

Hewkii

Not everybody has a reason to set up an independent state. Jews did.

I meant that not every ethnic\religious group feels that it needs an independent state. The Jews were persecuted for centuries in almost every country they lived in. Then the Holocaust came, and many Jews understood that if they want their people and their religion to survive through later generations, they have to form a Jewish state.

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Of course, Israel will be happy to return to the palestinians pretty much every square foot of land they lost in 1967.

Hewkii

The settlers do not represent the mainstream Israeli opinion about the conflict. If a peace treaty with the Palestinians is signed, the settlers will be banished, just like the settlers in the Gaza Strip three years ago. The problem is that Israel is obviously now more focused on the Gaza Strip than on the West Bank, so it is much easier for settlers to settle there now.

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According to history. Until the establishment of the state of Israel, Jews had never had a country of their own since ancient times.

Hewkii

It doesn't warrant it, but it's a good enough reason for Jews to work towards establishing their own state. Apparently, most of the UN members in 1947 agreed with them.

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[QUOTE="ffaf666"] its easy to blame hamas, since they are millitants but israel has stop aid blockade which is a war crime, colletive punishment, stop illegal settlements, stop anexing palstian land. then there would be peace. israel can also stop its racist policies such less money spent on arab israelis, recognise jews who accept jesus as jews instead of christians (there is a difference).ghoklebutter

Yes, it is easy to blame Hamas.

It is easy to blame them for turning the Gaza Strip into a breeding ground for terrorists.

It is easy to blame them for doing everything they can to prevent a two-state solution from happening.

And it is also easy to blame them for putting the population in Gaza under great danger.

The fact is that Hamas could make this whole operation stop right here, right now. How? Request a cease-fire.

Will they do it? Of course not, at least not so soon. That would make them look weak, and they don't want that.

So there's one government (Israel) that's trying to protect its citizens, and another government (Hamas) that's using its citizens as a method to legitimize their terrorist activity.

But hey, let's blame Israel! Who cares if they try to protect their citizens? The only thing that matters is how many casualties are on each side! And since the Palestinians had more of them,it is clear that all of this mess is Israel's fault!

This post is absolutley sickening.

Hamas is against Israel FOR FREEDOM AND FREEDOM ALONE.

How would YOU like it if the Palestinians took your precious Israel away and gave you a small peice of land in which is dimishing day-by-day?

How would YOU like it if you were discriminated and not allowed to even open up a convenience store?

You must admit: Those settlements in West Bank are BORDERLINE ILLEGAL!

Then again, you are probably one of those zionist supporters who fail to see anything but their land.

Oh and is THIS what you call "self defense"? :|

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/disabled-boy-shot-dead-by-israeli-troops-466736.html

Good grief.

Hamas is a terrorist organization whose ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel. Freedom? That's what they want to sell to the world, and obviously you bought it. If Hamas truly was fighting for freedom, it would target the Israeli government and military in its attacks, not civilians. That's the difference between fighting for freedom and terrorism. Hamas wants to terrorize Israeli civilians, to scare them, to make them leave the country for a safer place so that the Palestinians would outnumber the Israelis. It uses Islam as a method to put fear in Palestinians, to make them think that there is no other way to gain independence than violence.

Hamas has absolutely no interest in peace with Israel, it doesn't want the two-state solution. As long as Hamas controls the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians will NEVER get their independence.

I don't know in which category Hamas is in your view, but in mine it is in the same category as our good friends from Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.

And it's not Israel's fault that the Palestinians rejected the plan proposed by the UN in 1947. If they had accepted it, they would have gotten their independence then and there. Israel has stated in its declaration of independence that it would welcome a peaceful relationship with all of its neighbors. But the Palestinians rejected that too and chose to fight. Then they lost the war and their territories.

Now you see why the Palestinians live in those two small pieces of land?

It's what THEY chose, NOT Israel.

Of course, Israel will be happy to return to the palestinians pretty much every square foot of land they lost in 1967. Every single government Israel had since 1992 has supported it. But if nothing changes soon, Israel might lose its patience and the next government might have a different plan...

It seems that all you care about is how much the Palestinians are suffering. Yes, there is no doubt they are suffering much more the Israelis, but does that necessarily mean that Israel is the bad guy in this story? That Israel is to blame for everything that goes on in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank?

I suggest you take a broader look at this conflict instead of focusing on who deserves what and how much each side is suffering.

its easy to blame hamas, since they are millitants but israel has stop aid blockade which is a war crime, colletive punishment, stop illegal settlements, stop anexing palstian land. then there would be peace. israel can also stop its racist policies such less money spent on arab israelis, recognise jews who accept jesus as jews instead of christians (there is a difference).ffaf666

Yes, it is easy to blame Hamas.

It is easy to blame them for turning the Gaza Strip into a breeding ground for terrorists.

It is easy to blame them for doing everything they can to prevent a two-state solution from happening.

And it is also easy to blame them for putting the population in Gaza under great danger.

The fact is that Hamas could make this whole operation stop right here, right now. How? Request a cease-fire.

Will they do it? Of course not, at least not so soon. That would make them look weak, and they don't want that.

So there's one government (Israel) that's trying to protect its citizens, and another government (Hamas) that's using its citizens as a method to legitimize their terrorist activity.

But hey, let's blame Israel! Who cares if they're trying to protect their citizens? The only thing that matters is how many casualties are on each side! And since the Palestinians had more of them,it is clear that all of this mess is Israel's fault!

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[QUOTE="ffaf666"]people can live where they want but the fact is many people were displaced becuae they christian or muslim instead of east european jewish decent. ffaf666

And what about the Jews that were banished from the Gaza Strip area by the Israeli government three years ago? Do you think they should be allowed to live there?

you know it was illegal settlement. why hasnt israel stopped the building of illegal settlements, which just emphasises the materialistic nature of zionism.

If Israel is supposed to be located in Germany, doesn't that mean that all of the state of israel is one big illegal settlement?

Anyway, what I meant to say is that when you divide an area into two states, some people are bound to lose their homes in the process.

people can live where they want but the fact is many people were displaced becuae they christian or muslim instead of east european jewish decent. ffaf666

And what about the Jews that were banished from the Gaza Strip area by the Israeli government three years ago? Do you think they should be allowed to live there?

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Not everybody has a reason to set up an independent state. Jews did.

Hewkii

According to history. Until the establishment of the state of Israel, Jews had never had a country of their own since ancient times. Many Jews had thought that living in a non-Jewish country is good enough for them, but the Holocaust changed their minds. If that's not a good enough indication that you need to set up your own country, then I don't know what is.

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shouldnt israel be in germany since nazis done it

ffaf666

No, Israel should be in Israel since this is the place where many Jews like me believe they belong. You may argue against our right to live here, but unfortunately for you, we're not going anywhere. Got it? :)

you see people immgrating to all over the place but you dont see them trying to set up independant countries there do you?

Not everybody has a reason to set up an independent state. Jews did. Like I said, you can argue against our right to live in the Holy Land all you want, but you're just beating up a dead horse.

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shouldnt israel be in germany since nazis done it

blacktorn

No, Israel should be in Israel since this is the place where many Jews like me believe they belong. You may argue against our right to live here, but unfortunately for you, we're not going anywhere. Got it? :)

The state of Israel is not going to last forever,no way will jews enjoy another 60 years of the state of Israel.

That's what everybody said 60 years ago.