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#1 Alexc3217
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[QUOTE="Alexc3217"][QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

"University of Maryland professor David Gray, who specializes in criminal law, said prosecutors must..."

"...Gray said, an individual is not expected to retreat from suspected danger in his own home."

"If the student felt he was in danger of severe bodily harm, then he was within his right to protect himself, Gray said: 'It doesn't matter if he used a gun, a sword or a frying pan.'"

From the article at Baltimore Sun.

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oh because he said that, that really doesn't mean anything

Ambiguous comment, care to elaborate?

well it seems that all of your opinions seem to be based around that single statement, you cannot assume correction due to one source, you must use multiple sources and compare and anylyse, analyse, anilyse, uhh i forget
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#2 Alexc3217
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"University of Maryland professor David Gray, who specializes in criminal law, said prosecutors must..."

"...Gray said, an individual is not expected to retreat from suspected danger in his own home."

"If the student felt he was in danger of severe bodily harm, then he was within his right to protect himself, Gray said: 'It doesn't matter if he used a gun, a sword or a frying pan.'"

From the article at Baltimore Sun.

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oh because he said that, that really doesn't mean anything
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#3 Alexc3217
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try it, swing your arm from a sword ready position, then mime pulling out and accurately using a gun.
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#4 Alexc3217
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[QUOTE="Alexc3217"][QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

There was no way for him to know what the person had, which is why he was dumb for going down there. For all he knew the intruder could of had an automatic weapon. Than the unarmed robber decides to lunge at him? So he should say 'wait! I should put down the sword!' and then proceed with the conflict? This is not overkill, he could of rolled over him with an m1a1 abram tank and it not been overkill. The intruder deserves no sympathy, they knew the risks and accepted them.

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1 he knew the risks? what the risk of a sword weilding psychopath to cut his hand off and kill him?

2. why an, automatic weapon, a weapon is enough, just sayin.

3. uhh no, he has as much right to live as anyone else, thats why we keep POWS, hell, we even kept nazi POWS alive, thats the point of having a sense of morality. Killing someone for theft is surprisingly enough IMMORAL

1. He knew that people will defend their homes by whatever means necessary.

2. Automatic weapons are pretty easy to get, it could be a variety of things more dangerous than a sword.

3. Right to live? That only applies when you are in a point where you control the situation. If the man was caught and tied up and then he got attacked by the sword, thats a violation of morals. In war we don't consider someone's right to live as they attack us. Get off your moral high horse and get in the real world.

By automatic weapon, i mean, of all the thinks to say, why choose that. He was in a position of power, both of them had only enough time to swing their arm, theoretically, if the guy had a gun, he had to pull out quickly aim, very quickly, then fire, by then the other guy would have lopped his head off, considering he was close enough and that he already had his sword out and ready.
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#5 Alexc3217
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I hate to break it to you guys, but baseball bats can be deadly as well. Not to mention the fact that being beaten to death by one is likely to be much more painful than being struck once by a sword. Haven't any of you seen Inglorious Bastards?

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An excellent point!
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#6 Alexc3217
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[QUOTE="Hellfire-1"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]A person should have the right to defend himself, his family and his possessions within his own house with any means necessary. I say good job. One less criminal for the rest of us to worry about.MajorGamer531

Defend his/her self, yes.... but you can do that perfectly fine with a bat or blunt object. Killing the robber when the robber had no weapon was a bit too extreme. Now if he had a gun, different story. Someone shoots at you, by all means shoot back!

There was no way for him to know what the person had, which is why he was dumb for going down there. For all he knew the intruder could of had an automatic weapon. Than the unarmed robber decides to lunge at him? So he should say 'wait! I should put down the sword!' and then proceed with the conflict? This is not overkill, he could of rolled over him with an m1a1 abram tank and it not been overkill. The intruder deserves no sympathy, they knew the risks and accepted them.

1 he knew the risks? what the risk of a sword weilding psychopath to cut his hand off and kill him? 2. why an, automatic weapon, a weapon is enough, just sayin. 3. uhh no, he has as much right to live as anyone else, thats why we keep POWS, hell, we even kept nazi POWS alive, thats the point of having a sense of morality. Killing someone for theft is surprisingly enough IMMORAL
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#7 Alexc3217
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[QUOTE="Duckman5"][QUOTE="Alexc3217"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]I think the robbery+murder ratio is being underrated here. "Bad people deserve to live too" theory is being overrated here. It's nice to think that everyone can live through a robbery, and there's no reason to defend yourself, but come on... Whenever someone breaks into my house at night/early morning, I will not allow the wrongdoer any time to do any harm. In most cases, it will be your life or the robbers. And yes...there's nothing wrong with collecting swords.

I never said anything is wrong with collecting swords, i was ranting, 2 yes its ok to bring a sword, (or something) to defend yourself, but when you SEE that they are unarmed, you dont chop their hand off and let them bleed to death etc there are multiple stories on how the guy attacked, but they all say he ATTACKED, the guy just killed someone, disarming isnt impossible. Or dishanding... Ba Dum Dum tisch. Sorry about the pun, but it haNd to be said

We don't know if he saw that the guy was unarmed. It was dark and the man lunged at him, he could have easily been concealing a knife for all the man knew. What if the guy had not swung the sword and the intruder successfully took the sword away from him. Do you think the intruder would not use the sword? I sure don't.

Uhh, would you jump at a sword, armed with a concealed knife, no, cos its plain stupid, facepalm* also, he did see that he was unarmed, because he wasn't armed. He wouldn't have been that he was unarmed but seen as armed would he!?
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#8 Alexc3217
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I'm sorry, but if you enter someone's premises uninvited with the intent to steal, you leave all your human rights at the DOOR. End of story.

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what if he came, IN TRU DER window, But you gotta HAND it to him, it must have been a good swing! :D Ok, i'll stop the bad puns, it isn't helping
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#9 Alexc3217
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[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]I think the robbery+murder ratio is being underrated here. "Bad people deserve to live too" theory is being overrated here. It's nice to think that everyone can live through a robbery, and there's no reason to defend yourself, but come on... Whenever someone breaks into my house at night/early morning, I will not allow the wrongdoer any time to do any harm. In most cases, it will be your life or the robbers. And yes...there's nothing wrong with collecting swords.

I never said anything is wrong with collecting swords, i was ranting, 2 yes its ok to bring a sword, (or something) to defend yourself, but when you SEE that they are unarmed, you dont chop their hand off and let them bleed to death etc there are multiple stories on how the guy attacked, but they all say he ATTACKED, the guy just killed someone, disarming isnt impossible. Or dishanding... Ba Dum Dum tisch. Sorry about the pun, but it haNd to be said
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#10 Alexc3217
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[QUOTE="Alexc3217"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] I hope you take in this logic when an intruder invades your home. Wait it out. See if he has a weapon or not. And WHEN you get shot, remember that you're the one thinking about what if he had a weapon or not. And yes, I'm laughing at you.Duckman5

I think you underestimate human eyesight, If they look like they are going to die, it means that they are going to die if you swing the bloody sword. Also, what was he doing with a sword. If this guy is willing to spend a lot of money on an accurate weapon replica, its hardly a sign of sanity

No, that's just your opinion. Many people collect replica swords.

yes, i know that, i kinda started to rant there