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#1 B33thoven
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="B33thoven"]Trying to justify the kind of self-absorbed pricks who spit in people's food just because they're not willing to take part in a tipping culture that doesn't make any ****ing sense. Disgusting.rawsavon
I totally agree.I don't care how crappy your job is, you have no right to spit in peoples food. Tipping isn't an absolute must. If someone doesn't want to, and honestly if you're spitting in peoples food over that, you shouldn't even have that job.

And I feel that those that do not tip (here) don't deserve to eat there...they are both just as bad as the other -one ****ed with someone's life (their money and livelihood) -the other ****ed with their food

No, no, no. Don't paint us as responsible. Restaurants are breaking the law; I'm not. You're helping them do so by making up the difference; I'm not.
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#2 B33thoven
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="B33thoven"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] -I am a big believer in Karma (don't tip, you get what you deserve)

Trying to justify the kind of self-absorbed pricks who spit in people's food just because they're not willing to take part in a tipping culture that doesn't make any ****ing sense. Disgusting.

i guess i and rawsavon just have a better outlook on humanity then you. i tip good service, spitting in my food is not good service and if you assume everyone, the majority, or even the minority of places youre going to are going to treat you like that why would you ever eat out? aside from a few times my waiter vanished i have had good service and never once thought foul play with my food.

Yeah well, when other people are trying to justify spitting in people's food I'm sure you can see why that is. And if by 'have a better look on humanity' you mean 'are willing to collude with moneygrabbing scumbags in an illegal contravention of the right to a minimum wage', then sure.
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#3 B33thoven
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[QUOTE="B33thoven"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] -I am a big believer in Karma (don't tip, you get what you deserve)

Trying to justify the kind of self-absorbed pricks who spit in people's food just because they're not willing to take part in a tipping culture that doesn't make any ****ing sense. Disgusting.

By the way, I take it you're also fine with bus drivers pissing on your change because you didn't tip them, right? After all, they have just as much right to be tipped as waiters.
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#4 B33thoven
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[QUOTE="B33thoven"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] We have been over this in the thread countless times -if they pay their servers more, then they will just raise the price of the food to cover the cost...you will be FORCED to tip a set amount -would you not prefer to control the amount you tip and have the server more motivatedrawsavon
What evidence have you that it motivates the servers? Let me assure you, were I paid just a few dollars an hour (this, by the way, is disgusting), I would take significantly less pride in my job than I did when I was a waiter and actually got paid above the minimum wage (I'm British). And I'd be quite happy if they had to raise the price of the food to cover the cost.

....ummm....money motivates people to do their job They would not be there if they did not get paid. Or maybe you know people that would wrok for free

Wow, maybe you're right - if only there were some way other than customers for waiters to get paid, eh? Jesus. That what you think is 'one of the things that makes America great' is a means for restaurants nationwide to break the law speaks volumes.
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#5 B33thoven
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] -I am a big believer in Karma (don't tip, you get what you deserve)

Trying to justify the kind of self-absorbed pricks who spit in people's food just because they're not willing to take part in a tipping culture that doesn't make any ****ing sense. Disgusting.
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#7 B33thoven
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[QUOTE="B33thoven"]Yes, wouldn't it be horrendous if the employers actually paid the employees a legal rate. :roll: Bollocks. Employees here are paid legal amounts and the prices of food are perfectly acceptable. Food prices are no excuse for a system that merely lines the pockets of big business.Engrish_Major
I didn't say it would be horrendous - I stated that the 15% is the status quo, which is why I (and normal people) follow it. And the restaurants I frequent are hardly "big business".

'I stated that the 15% is the status quo, which is why I (and normal people) follow it.' What the hell is this? Are we now openly endorsing blindly following the status quo? Is that what this has come to? Jesus Christ.
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[QUOTE="B33thoven"]Please explain to me why I should give 15% to waiters as standard.Engrish_Major
Being that it is the norm in this country (USA), it sets the economics of the entire industry. If tips weren't the norm, then the employer would have to triple or quadruple the hourly wage of the staff, which would raise prices dramatically. So, you're paying it either way. Just with the current system, you have the choice of giving leeway either way. Freedom is the word here. If there were no tipping system, then you would be forced to pay the extra 15% de facto as the price of your meal.

Yes, wouldn't it be horrendous if the employers actually paid the employees a legal rate. :roll: Bollocks. Employees here are paid legal amounts and the prices of food are perfectly acceptable. Food prices are no excuse for a system that merely lines the pockets of big business.
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#9 B33thoven
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="B33thoven"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Some people look for reasons not to tip Some people look for reasons to tip I have no problem being the later.

Whereas I can't help noticing that an excellent example of the former is, you know, that it's the obligation of the employer to pay their employees and there's no good reason why an exception should be made for waiting.

direct service, when someone services you it is in our culture to reward them.

Which I suppose is why people tip bus drivers and supermarket workers and- oh, no, wait, it's totally inconsistent.
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#10 B33thoven
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[QUOTE="B33thoven"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Some people look for reasons not to tip Some people look for reasons to tip I have no problem being the later.rawsavon
Whereas I can't help noticing that an excellent example of the former is, you know, that it's the obligation of the employer to pay their employees and there's no good reason why an exception should be made for waiting.

We have been over this in the thread countless times -if they pay their servers more, then they will just raise the price of the food to cover the cost...you will be FORCED to tip a set amount -would you not prefer to control the amount you tip and have the server more motivated

What evidence have you that it motivates the servers? Let me assure you, were I paid just a few dollars an hour (this, by the way, is disgusting), I would take significantly less pride in my job than I did when I was a waiter and actually got paid above the minimum wage (I'm British). And I'd be quite happy if they had to raise the price of the food to cover the cost.
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