[QUOTE="Bitter_Altmer"]
[QUOTE="KSU-Wildcat"]
If you honestly believe your country had absolutely nothing to do with who you are, then whatever bud. It has had effects on your values (or, in response to your excuse, your family's values, which in turn helped shape yours), your freedoms, your security, your health, your happiness, etc., etc., etc. But, oh well, just forget about all of that so you can be a cool rebel and go against the grain. :)
KSU-Wildcat
You're so intelligent. Plz enlighten me. It had nothing to do with who I am. My family aren't patriots either, because patriotism is for people who can't realize that they're individuals. As for freedoms, security, and health, like I said before: That is a privilege. As for hapiness, I create my own happiness. I don't need to rely on my country for happiness like you seem to imply for yourself. I also don't need to join the army and wait to fight for a government that hasn't got my best interests at heart.Hahaha. Grasp for more straws, or attempt to put more words in my mouth. When did I say that you, or even I for that matter, must rely on my country for any of those things?? Your country can provide all of those. Keep dancing around it. I'm an individual and a patriot! Blasphemy, right?? By your logic all of the proud, PATRIOTIC Canadian fans here on OT who touted (and deservedly so) their gold medal win over the U.S. can't, by definition, be individuals? Where the hell did the Army come in to this? Who said you, I, or anyone (except under dire circumstances (which have been misused in the past) such as the draft) has to join the armed forces? If you live in America, you can be thankful for others to do that for you.
Why did you bring them up then? And since when was it up to a persons country for happiness? My country can provide for them yes, it would take a dunce to try and deny that, but like I said (And I'll say this for the final time), they are privileges. If my country took away freedom, security and health, they'd be touted as an oppressive nasty nation, which no country wants in this climate.
And sure Canadians can celebrate their own country winning a medal, but at the end of the day it was a team of men who form an absolute minute figure of the population who earned it. I also hear one of their best players plys his trade in the U.S, but that's another matter.
And I brought the army into this. You mentioned your joining the Marines as an officer candidate. Why did you do that? Was it love for your country? Its sad to say but a great number in the population of any country couldn't care less about their armed forces, and politicians will mourn the death of poor soldiers by sighing and moving on with their political agenda. Sad but true.
I'm not trying to say someone can't be patriotic, it exists (unfortunately), but it makes absolutely no sense. The way I see it, its chance and if I'm going to be proud of where I was born then hell, why don't I be proud of that little bit of money I won on the lottery last week?
I'm not continuing this. Every time I've argued with a patriot, its gone nowhere. Goodbye.
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