It's no misconception. Stalin's great numbers wouldn't mean squat, seeing as how they were being mowed down in droves. The Germans had superior equipment and machinery (e.g. most of their fighter aces were scoring 100, 200, even 300 kills each on the Eastern front). And what do you mean they needed luck to win against the allies? They didn't win, and it's pretty certain that if their forces weren't in the East, they would've won.F1_2004

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

I don't do much, I sit a lot, do you think I might have a heart attack soon?? I better visit the doctor soon then.

joshrocks2245

Do you ever eat? :|

[QUOTE="Bitter_Altmer"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"] If it weren't for the British Isles, Hitler wouldn't have needed to divert troops and resources to the Western European and North African theatres, preventing the Americans from getting a foothold in Europe and shifting the balance in the war vs. Russia. There's a lot of "ifs", but the fact is that history played out the way it did. There is no one country that saved Europe from the Nazis.F1_2004

Thats a very common misconception, the opinion that "If the nazi's didn't do this" or "If the nazi's did this" .. that kinda ignores the fact that he needed luck to win against the allies, which lets face it, he did need.It doesn't really matter if Hitler did have other things to worry about, at the end of the day, Stalin was waiting behind him to the East with resources in greater numbers in the Ural mountains, and with a population that far exceeded Germany's.Having said that, certain defeat by the Russians might have been avoided if Hitler hadn't foolishly broken the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

[QUOTE="Bitter_Altmer"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And had Russia, the UK, etc etc etc had not helped I'm not sure if Germany could have been stopped.

It was a joint effort. I think all those countries were necessary to success but most act as if all the other countries could of dropped out of the war and the US would of won by itself.

F1_2004

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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'd say Russia did more. But i get sick of how people act as if US did all the work and were the heroes and everyone else just sat on their asses.

I think you intrepret things the wrong way. If the US had not have helped, Germany may have taken over the world. The US did have help but if you US had not have helped, I'm not sure if Germany could have been stopped.

And had Russia, the UK, etc etc etc had not helped I'm not sure if Germany could have been stopped.

It was a joint effort. I think all those countries were necessary to success but most act as if all the other countries could of dropped out of the war and the US would of won by itself.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

Like I said its not going to stop. Money is no object to the US gov. The US has given you life and now you question the manner in which it is given?

If the US had not won world war 2 .

[QUOTE="Bitter_Altmer"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Do you understand the US voting system?LJS9502_basic

Most never actually did.....LJS9502_basic

Most never actually did.....LJS9502_basic

because 30 percent americans beleive they were abducted by aliens,most of america beleive that 9/11 was not planned and thus done by alquaida or whoever you think did it. u think america is the greatest nation there is on earth. a good percentage of ppl cant show on the map some european countries if not europe at all...you try to be the biggest patriots ever and beleive in your country that turns their backs on you. most of your laws are outrageous and frankly, disturbing....should i go on?

planbfreak4eva