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#1 Bozanimal
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I'm not sure if you guys know anything about car audio system but I'll just ask anyway . I'm thinking of replacing the stock speakers on my Nissan Altima 2009 , My car does NOT have the premium Bose sound system so the sound quality is not that good . A local store has a good deal on 2 of these JBL speakers along with JBL 1000w Sub . I'm thinking of installing those on the driver side/passenger side doors and I'm thinking of getting 2 more of these speakers to replace the back seat dash speakers as well as getting a 2 way channel pioneer amp they have on sale . My question:

1) will i notice a big difference in audio clarity/quality from stock speakers ?

2) knowing that i will get an amp , do i have to replace the stock head unit/radio ?

3) Should i install the extra 2 speakers in back seat doors or dash ?

4) is it necessary to repalce front dash / back seat doors speakers along with those ?

Thanks in advance .

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gagit811 has a lot of good suggestions, but I'm going to offer a bit of a different viewpoint, and maybe save you a few bucks along the way.

To start, your front doors fit a 6.5" speaker, not the 6 x 9" JBL you listed. They will not fit in the stock location. Skip the sale on those speakers and find a nice pair of 6.5" component speakers (components have a separate woofer and tweeter, as well as a dedicated crossover). Component speakers offer significantly better sound.

Start by visiting Crutchfield.com. Crutchfield has decades of experience in custom car audio, they'll provide Master Sheets for your car that will guide you through the installation process, and they offer lifetime phone support, so you can just call them to ask questions if you get stuck (and they're good). Specifically to answer your questions:

  1. Aftermarket speakers will offer a huge improvement over stock in almost any vehicle, even those with "premium" sound systems already installed. I would argue that replacing the speakers is a better upgrade than replacing the head unit if you had to pick, but ideally you want to replace both at the same time.
  2. If you're getting an amp you need to either replace the factory head unit or get a special processor for your head unit, the latter of which is very expensive. By installing an aftermarket radio you will lose steering wheel controls in most instances, if you have them; a Crutchfield support member can walk you through that. Some aftermarket radios can actually be programmed to work with factory controls, if you buy the right module. You'll have to check.
  3. Ignore the rear speakers. In fact, disconnect them. Rear speakers muddy your soundstage. At home you only use rear speakers for surround effects, and in a car where you're just listening to music they're not necessary. Serious IASCA and USAC (USAC no longer exists, but used to be an auto sound competition provider) SQ (sound quality) competitors rarely use a pair of speakers in the back. Focus on a quality pair of component speakers in the front and a great sub, and you'll have an excellent sounding system.
  4. I believe my prior response should answer your fourth question.

In addition, I would suggest either a high-quality three-channel amplifier, or two amplifiers: A two-channel for your front speakers and a mono amp for your subwoofer. You do not need a Double-DIN head unit unless you want the larger screen, which is fine, but a $200 JVC head unit will have high-quality preamp outputs and all the features you want in a single-DIN installation without a fancy monitor. It depends on what you want.

I hope this is helpful. I'm a former MECP-certified installer and db Drag competitor, and happy to offer additional advice if you have further questions.

Good luck!

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You're probably not going to get much more out of the X12's. They already have a built-in amplifier, and the DSS2 only has two real benefits: Dolby Headphone and the additional connectivity. Since you're not using the connectivity, you have to decide whether the Dolby Headphone effect, which is a simulated surround sound, is worthwhile to you. Good luck, Boz
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Here's what you do, call Crutchfield (888.955.6000) and talk to a rep about the Alpine MRP-F300. It's $150 and includes a free amp wiring kit. It does not include speaker wire and a decent four-channel RCA cable, which you can get within your budget here:

  • (2) 25 ft RCA Cables
  • (1) 100 ft spool of 16 AWG speaker wire (better too much than too little)

It's a good price on a nice, entry-level amp considering it includes the wiring kit and Crutchfield tech support (I cannot emphasize how nice having the customer service can be, not to mention the free install sheets for your vehicle). It'll get you some thump, and make your existing speakers sound much, much better.

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The Bose AE2 are super-comfortable and have good sound, but are not a great value. There's another user around here that swears by them, but if you're in the states or Europe you can probably do better for the same price. If you're going to be using them at home only, the Audio-Technica ATH-AD700 are the most comfortable headphones in the universe, though they are open-air, and lacking in the bass department. Great soundstage, and the work especially well with 3D audio, such as if you're playing a FPS with Dolby Headphone enabled. If you want a closed-back, bassier heapdhone, the Beyerdynamic DT770 is one of the best options out there, the second most comfortable headphones I've ever worn (after the ATH-700), and they have a great sound. I personally prefer them to the ATH-AD700 as a bassier headphone. Finally the Sennheiser HD598 is very comfortable, open-back, a great soundstage, and head decent bass. It is the third most comfortable headphone I've used. Hopefully one of these fits the bill. Happy gaming, Boz
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Could you guys point me into the direction of a good quality amp?Eastdabest
Yes, but I need you to answer a few questions to figure out what would make the most sense for you.

  1. What head unit are you using (model number if possible)?
  2. How many speakers do you want to amplify?
  3. Are you going to want to add a subwoofer in the future?
  4. You will need to do some significant wiring to install an amplifier, including running wires from the battery through your firewall, and speaker wire from your amplifier to the speakers in your door and deck. Are you comfortable performing this work on your car?
  5. What is your budget? A value (meaning a good amp at a good price) four-channel amp, like a Kenwood Excelon or Infinity, can range from $150 to $300, not including the wiring kit. A high-quality amp like an Alpine PDX will be closer to $400 or more, retail.

With this I should be able to give you some recommendations.

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[QUOTE="SPBoss"]^^Tube subwoofers sound terrible they bottom out! But i do agree that you should amplify your speakers though, or if you want to save money get a really good headunit (alpine is known for pumping out ridiculous power from its headunits whilst keeping the quality) A stock headunit is a definite nono

There is nothing wrong with tube subwoofers like those from Bazooka. Any subwoofer that plays low frequency notes at high volumes has the potential to bottom-out: Even JL W7's or Alpine Type X's. A tube subwoofer is an inexpensive and efficient way to get good, quality bass without breaking the bank. It is not going to make the back of your throat vibrate, but they sound good. Even the best head unit will not provide sufficient power to aftermarket speakers to produce good bass. A few years ago Blaupunkt made a head unit that had a Class T amplifier built in; that is the only head unit of which I am aware that put out more than 25 watts RMS, but it has since gone out of production. All that said, I agree that the first upgrade should be the head unit if Eastdabest is still using the stock radio. You'll see a dramatic improvement in quality, and aftermarket radios make adding an amplifier a LOT easier because they have high-quality pre-amp outputs. I can't agree more with l34052, but quality amps are pricey. You can usually find a good used amp on Craig's List if money is tight. Happy gaming, Boz
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Get an amplifier. It sounds like you're running those speakers off the deck: Changing them won't give you more bass, you need more power. Get a decent four-channel amp from a reputable brand and it'll add some oomph to your existing speakers. Even better, add a five-channel amp and you'll have room to add a sub in the future. Alternatively there are a few manufacturers that make 6x9 subwoofers. Kicker used to, but now you've only got a handful like Tang Band and CDT. Any subwoofer solution will require an amplifier. If you are on a tight budget and just want bass, consider an inexpensive 50x2 channel amp paired with Aura Bass Shakers. They will fill your car with spine-rattling bass without taking up any additional space. They work: I've seen and felt them in competitions and they're pretty sweet. My last suggestion is to get a Bazooka Tube. They're pre-packaged subwoofers with amplifiers, and will give you a bit of punch on a budget, without taking up much trunk room. Good luck, Boz
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At that price you're going to have to make compromises either in screen size or sound quality. If you're okay with a 32" or 37" television - and this is fine for many people, you can probably get a modest line-level amplifier and speaker combination in the used marketplace. Dayton is based out of Ohio, and not available in Australia. That said, there are local speaker manufacturers to which you have access. Your best bet is to contact a local enthusiast and talk to them about for what you are looking. A cursory Google search turned up TC Loudspeakers which, while I don't know him or his business, I'm sure you could just call the guy and talk to him. Any enthusiast will know local retailers and should be a good source of information. Good luck! Boz
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if i decide to go with headphones to get best value and sound for my money how can i solve my problem that i cant hear people when there is lots of action going on when mic?

Cow_tipping
You will need to adjust the in-game audio settings for this. There should be a menu for audio where you can adjust voice, sound effects, and music.
I can recommend you from one of the "best Xbox headsets" (link removed) as of 2012, it's Tritton TRIAX-180 AX 180 Stereo Gaming Headset. A multi-task headset capable for PC/Mac & With Chat And Wii (Audio Only), PS3 & PlayStation, and of course Xbox 360! johnmalone
Please note that advertising is against the Gamespot ToU. On a related note, die in a fire. Happy gaming, Boz
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#10 Bozanimal
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i think i might try the astro a40 since i can pick them up at a local best buy and try them

the pc360 i would have to order online and wait for them to arrive before i can test them out

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Just be aware that the Astro A40, while highly regarded in gaming circles, are known for being a bit bloated and "narrow" in audio circles. I've used them: They're super-comfy, but the sound is about the same quality as the JVC HARX700 (which is to say good, but not a great value at their pricepoint). If I am understanding correctly that you are using this headset with a PC, you most definitely want to go with the Sennheiser unless you experience comfort issues, in which case the Beyerdynamic are probably the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn. Check the return policy on the A40's carefully before purchasing: Some stores have restrictions regarding headphones since they are worn. Good luck with your decision, Boz