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and that's a statement I disagree with. This generation Japanese developers are for the most part stuck in the past imo

[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"]Nintendo alone has been the most innovaitve dev this gen IMO.

Bazooka_4ME

I will agree that on the hardware side of things they have been the most inovative.

but on the gaming side? not sure If I agree with that

You can't not. If you're talking about western developers, you're talking about western europe. Get over it and move on.

Tough choice for me. When done well they are done really well. When they aren't you have an aimless, wandering mess with no sense of structure.

I think Skyrim, Red Dead Redemption have been my favourites.

Although that's because I'm a firm believer that with new technology comes new potential. There are older ones more influential that had a bigger impact. You just can't say they are better.

Elite, Daggerfall, GTA3, Spiderman 2, all had a big impact for me at the time they were released. Also I'd like to qualify AC2 as a sandbox, and the worlds created in that series have been so vivid its really held its head high against the others this gen.

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[QUOTE="rilpas"] Are you talking about the first one? just checking, because if you are then I agree

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Now go ahead and list yours fellas...Bazooka_4ME

well you did limit yourself to this gen and last gen so I'll do the same (and now you limit yours to counting Europe = Western devs also)

GTA 3: Created the Sandbox genre as we know it (I'll give the western devs for this one but the SIMS made it first)

Minecraft: The first true lego game (not if you count Tetris as the first true building block game)

Terraria: Minecraft meets Metroidvania (you mean side-scrolling adventure game which Nintedo introduced)

DOTA: The game that created the formula for Tower Defense games as we know them (look at Bokosuka Wars, but I'll give you this one)

Planetside: an mmo that mixes FPS and RTS, requiring officers, resource management, production facilities and RTS-like strategies (feel free to claim this as as Western game even though SOE developed it)

Sanctum/toy Soldiers: Mix of Tower defense and FPS/simulation (I'll give you this one)

Portal: do I really need to say anything? (I definitely give props to Valve for introducing this one)

Little Big Planet: An editor that allows you to make levels that range from platformers, to zelda knockoffs (I'll give you this one as well, but again Western =/= Europe)

Sins of a Solar Empire: Taking RTS games and expanding the scope to span galaxies and planets, giving you diplomacy and trading options and routes that are usually only found in games like civilization(and another for Canada = Western)

World of Goo: Using Physics and building techniques to construct puzzles (Pixeljunk Eden came out 2 months before)

Spore: A game that starts you out as a single cell organism and has you evolve your races until they reach space travel (another fresh game)

Assassin's Creed: Prince of Persia meets GTA (if you keep listing games that references a lot of games' gameplay, it wouldn't be innovative now would it?)

Indigo Prohecy/Fahrenheit: A cinematic-like game with choices and consequences leading to different outcomes and scenarios (I'll give you this one, but again, Western =/= Europe)

Stop repeating the nonsense about europe not being western. If you had one iota of knowledge about what constitutes the west you wouldn't be repeating this embarrasment. Western Europe is the west. We defined it first. Move on from it.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]It's obviously generating some. I for one can't wait to see what it's got.Mario1331

dont you hate nintendo?

It's no doubt a console getting ready to hand over the baton to the wii u but you don't have to just constrict yourself to brand new games.

If GameSpot had any credibility they would have scored every Call of Duty game after CoD 4 a 7.0. Instead, only Mario games are singled out for their "unoriginality." Interesting.princeofshapeir

It's worse than this. CoD has a whole bunch of clones released every single year. Boring brown pallette shooters with no personality. Every year.

Nintendo release a mario platformer every so often and are attacked for unoriginality yet CoD get's all the plaudits. Hmm.

Depends on the games. It's all about the games.