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#2  Edited By CloudStrife213
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@Shewgenja:

I don't know. Ask Jack Tretton, did the president and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment really think that he/they could dictate digital rights policy to third parties? We all know the answer to that unless you are in denial. Well he must of thought so judging from the interview.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/playstation-4-drm-policies-third-party/

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/11/4419566/sony-jack-tretton-publishers-can-choose-to-enforce-drm

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/11/jack-tretton-3rd-party-publishers-can-implement-drm-on-ps4-thats-up-to-their-relationship-with-the-consumer-we-wont-dictate/

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/06/11/jack-tretton-says-third-parties-can-dictate-their-own-drm-policies-on-ps4/

Reminder: Two of those websites are Playstation websites, would you really think PS fans would lie about that?

Good tactic by Sony though, to let MS take the fall for DRM policies first. They were able to turn around and absolutely outlaw DRM after letting MS take the negative feedback.

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@gggoodboy
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@CloudStrife213 said:

@tormentos:

Here comes the ultimate cow in denial. If you were literate you would have read the articles I linked. It wasn't only the patent, it was in the interviews. For example, Jack Tretton said Sony would leave it up to third-party publishers whether DRM would be implemented or not.

Does the fact that Sony was considering DRM disheartening to you? Poor tormentos, keep staying in denial. Keep kissing Sony's ass. If it makes you happy. LOL

Also, it's pretty pointless to argue with a cow like you. I may be buying a PS4 over an Xbox One, but I'm not a rabid blind fanboy like you.

Tormentos is 100% spot on though. Any rational human being can see that

You cant, because youre a delusional xboner

Not only did Tormentos refute each and every one of your points with ease, he made you look like the moron you are. Im keeping it real. Realise how much of an idiot xboner you are coming across as

BTW great posts Tormentos:) You truly are one of the best posters here my brother. Youre nickname should be the xbot troll slayer:)

Cloudstrife, you have to be a Microsoft shill because youre using the "Sony too" "arguement"

Before E3, when ever posters questioned Microsoft about the rumored DRM always online xbone schemes, the Microsoft shill talking point was "bu bu Sony is doing it too soo stfu"

Yet Sony NEVER DID do it....that talking point was defeated...I cant believe youre trying to bring it back...."bu Sont too"

Patents dont mean anything

From day one Sony SAID they would allow used game sales. From day one Sony said they would never implement awlays online like Microsoft was planning to

The signs were on the wall way before E3 that Sony was NOT going to do ANY of it....and then E3 came and Sony PROVED they never had any intentions of doing so

You xbot shills need to stop with that "Sony too" BS. Its never been true....its played out...it means nothing now

Typical fanboy.

All tormentos' points are conjecture. I have evidence that Sony was considering DRM in interviews and because they patented it. If you weren't a blind and biased fanboy, you would have read all the links I posted. Let me post them again.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/playstation-4-drm-policies-third-party/

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/sony-uk-exec-ps4-used-game-question-isnt-clarified-just-yet/

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/report-new-sony-patent-blocks-second-hand-games

If you read those and you are still in denial, then you are delusional.

If you were an intelligent human being then you will understand that I never said that Sony implemented DRM. Both Microsoft and Sony considered DRM, but never pushed through with it because of negative feedback. But since you are not capable of reading with comprehension, let me explain it to you in bold.

Sony considered DRM.

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@Suppaman100 said:

@super600 said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

so you're saying at 3 months in, it's been maxed out?

No he's saying that sony should stop lying and tell the truth when they are talking about a game's resolution.

What?

When has Sony promised us that we'll always get 1080p/60 fps?

Lol, lemming mods are so funny.

When Sony said Killzone : Shadowfall will be at 1080p 60 fps both single player and multiplayer. Typical symptoms of a fanboy, be blind to events, and facts that are against one's own biases. Check this article out fanboy. Also while you are at it check this wikipedia page out, it totally describes what you are doing.

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013/11/02/killzone-shadow-fall-campaign-hands-on-new-multiplayer-footage/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

Quote from article:

Then there’s the competitive multiplayer mode which, like the game’s campaign, runs at native 1080p and 60 fps. Supporting up to 24 players across a variety of play modes, Shadow Fall’s multiplayer combat feels more agile and responsive than its predecessor thanks to DualShock 4′s many refinements and, well, dat framerate.

Also, you know what's funny? It's funny that the same people who say they don't care and try to rationalize why the frame rate and resolution is this way for the PS4 are the same people bashing the Xbox One for its resolution/frame rate. You can't have it both ways.

And the cows have been owned.

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@tormentos:

Here comes the ultimate cow in denial. If you were literate you would have read the articles I linked. It wasn't only the patent, it was in the interviews. For example, Jack Tretton said Sony would leave it up to third-party publishers whether DRM would be implemented or not.

Does the fact that Sony was considering DRM disheartening to you? Poor tormentos, keep staying in denial. Keep kissing Sony's ass. If it makes you happy. LOL

Also, it's pretty pointless to argue with a cow like you. I may be buying a PS4 over an Xbox One, but I'm not a rabid blind fanboy like you.

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@SolidTy said:

@CloudStrife213

Considering your character and motive is far more suspect as I cited above, I wouldn't even attempt answering to you. You seem to have a potent reputation that has spread offsite, and it would be silly to go further. Clearly YOU quoted me, but are going off topic and disrupting the thread. I also provided a Killzone Shadowfall SW link with posters eager to argue with you (id est NOT ME).

You either agree a post in a thread or you do not. You said you do agree, so we are done here.

I don't even care about your character quirks, idiosyncrasies, and motives, but I'm aware of them (based on the small history and I've seen you around). I could question your character and motive in the same fashion, but I'm not interested. It would be easy to postulate that you are an angry troll Xbox 360 gamer that is so angry at my Excellent post in this thread he decided to engage in trolling a user, disrupting a thread, and going off topic since my post stands tall. You seem fixated on playstation users and Killzone: Shadowfall. That's a hypothetical to demonstrate to you that it works both ways. From where I'm sitting I posted in a thread a well written post and I provoked a troll into changing the subject since that first post was so enlightening. It's a strawman arguments with bits of ad hominems sprinkled in. The idea is usually to provoke something else. I'm not interested in engaging on that front though, as I said you either agree with a post in a thread or you do not. I don't answer to you and you don't answer to me.

You agreed my post was fine, therefore we are fini.

How is that FUD? You are wrong about that being FUD. It is only the truth. Sony was considering DRM. Only delusional people believe otherwise.

Sony did consider DRM by patenting it. Never did I say in that post that the PS4 will have DRM. It's only that Sony was considering putting DRM on the PS4 by patenting DRM technology. Not spreading FUD, only spreading the truth. Read these articles for more clarification. And the fact that people are so insecure as to post it in another site is funny. Those people are just another example of delusional blind fanboys.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/playstation-4-drm-policies-third-party/

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/sony-uk-exec-ps4-used-game-question-isnt-clarified-just-yet/

Quote from IGN article with regards to DRM patent that applies technology to BLOCK games even WITHOUT an internet connection:

According to NeoGAF member gofreak(NOTE: THERE IS DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE FOR THE PATENT), the patent application was filed on 9 December 2012 by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, and will work by linking individual game discs to a user's account without requiring a network connection meaning any future attempt to use this disc on another user's console won't work.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/report-new-sony-patent-blocks-second-hand-games

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

You'd have to be in denial to not believe it.

I find it also extremely funny that you would google me. Did my post affect you enough to warrant a google search?

I came here not to argue with you about resolution issues, I came here to point out my observation of you. That is all. But obviously you are defending your own character and integrity, also why would I be angry at your post? Your post is not excellent and unique, it's basically a rehash of what every rational being has been saying. If you read my first post then you would see that I agree with you, because I said that what you were saying is what every rational being has been saying. It's only that I suspect that you are only saying it now to defend Sony. If you are truly unbiased as you say you are, then tell me where your specific posts are that you have been saying these things in defense of Microsoft.

Again, read the TC's post, it is about Killzone : Shadowfall and how Sony lied about its performance. You say I have a fixation on Killzone: Shadowfall, but that is what the topic is about, unless you are trying to change the topic.

If you say we are done, then why reply to me?

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@SolidTy:

You aren't talking about Killzone:Shadowfall in a topic that is about Killzone:Shadowfall? Did you read the TC's post? That is what the beef of the topic is actually. That KZ: Shadowfall is not 1080p 60fps, so you cannot deny that you are not addressing the issue of the topic by posting here, and explaining how developers work.

He is telling us that Sony lied because they said that KZ :Shadowfall would be 1080p in 60 fps even though its not fully in 1080p 60 fps.

Also, why are you assuming that I disagree or I am trying to refute your post? I'm simply questioning your character and motive.

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@SolidTy said:

@CloudStrife213 said:

@SolidTy said:

It's a developers/publishers choice on what frame rate and resolution a game lands on, no matter the hardware there will always be choices on available resources, especially consoles which are static hardware. It's going to be like this with the PS5, Xbox 4, Wii Ux2, PS6, Xbox 5, PS7, PS8, PS9, et cetera.

Frames per second and Resolutions are just the tip of the iceberg for devs as they have to consider physics, AI, art assets, textures, size of the level, et cetera. There will always be restrictions to deal with, even with PC games. You can only create what the hardware or graphics card allows. If you prioritize 1080p and 60fps, it's only going to remove other aspects of the game you are designing. Juggling frame rates and resolutions is going to be an issue with the PS5, Xbox 4, Wii Ux2, PS6, Xbox 5, PS7, PS8, PS9, et cetera. There are a lot of pieces to a game's creation and you looking at two tiny pieces of a huge puzzle will only confuse you.

Devs have a tough job juggling FINITE RESOURCES because a Game is more than simply "FPS" and "Resolutions".The PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, Dreamcast, and more could do 1080p and 60fps. You probably wouldn't like the game, but it could be done if that was the only goal. Some Pong type game, perhaps.

With regards to juggling limited resources, this was true every gaming generation and I spoke of this subject multiple times over the years since 2005 here in SW. The developers decide on how they are going to juggle their resources and we either get a great game or not. The issue is more about buying a $250 machine, a $400 machine, or a $500 machine and judging performance between those three machines. To be honest, it looks to be the console graphics race is between the $400/$500 machines. Neither machine will be able to do 1080p/60fps for every game, especially when the really ambitious developers and games start releasing and start pushing the consoles hard, but the PS4 will offer developers more juice than the competition.

Just be content when we get a cross-generational PS360 game unscaled on the new machines if all you care about is resolutions and frame-rates.

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Let this be a lesson to stop reading PR and marketing like it was written by Jebus H. Christ himself. You also seem to be confusing people's arguments and fan-boy bickering with what companies actually stated. Sony in particular said their machine can do 1080p, and it can. It doesn't mean you should expect it. Same for Xbone, Wii U, etc. The machines can do 1080p/60fps, hell the PS360 could do that. It's up to the developers vision of their game. Nintendo, Xbox, and Playstation are game machines/companies, the other 3rd party developers decide on their game's specifics.

Funny, that is what every rational being has been saying, and its also funny how you are suddenly saying these things when it turned out the PS4 wasn't as good as people thought it would be performance wise.

Now you are saying that it is the developers choice because of this issue with Killzone: Shadowfall, when every rational being has been saying that for a long time except for blind fanboys. In all probability, you were probably bashing the Xbox One over the resolutions of its games, but the moment the standard of 1080p and 60fps was not met with the PS4, you try and rationalize.

The hypocrisy is just too funny.

Hmmmm...you COULD NOT REFUTE Anything I said in that post, but you quoted me to randomly troll. Considering your huge hard on for all things Xbox (controller, fans, exclusives, and the company) in almost every post and your dislike of Playstation (Controller, fans, exclusives, company) in almost every post, I suppose I'm not surprised. It's not like you have many posts to read after all. Your post today comes off as very aggressive and immensely insecure to make up things like you just did. You took the time to quote me, go off-topic, make believe, and randomly troll, think about that. lol. I still remember a few of your posts since you hardly post, they are pretty intense and almost always involve trolling a user or general groups of users. Whatever floats your boat, son. I get the impression you come to SW to let off steam, perhaps you are dealing with a bully at work or school.

YOU DEFINITELY aren't paying attention either. I'm not suddenly saying these words, I've been saying this since 2005 SW back in the Xbox/PS2/Gamecube days, I said it mid generation during the WiiPS360 era MULTIPLE TIMES, and I'm simply saying it again. I'll say it again in a year. I'll say it again when the Xbox 4/Wii U2/PS5 release and some other moron is going to say my stance changed and I'm suddenly saying this! lol. My stance hasn't changed. Resolution and Frame Rates aren't new arguments in SW, lol. That's hilarious. You've only exposed yourself as a blind fanboy. You took a perfectly fine post and tried to spin some fanboy agenda into it...pretty sad, but in this SW venue it's also humorous.

You have a very tiny 336 posts, I had over 45,000 posts in old Gamespot (39,000 now). My point is I've spent a lot more time here in SW posting so I'll just accept the fact it's possible you missed some of my posts since 2005 since I posted 45,000 times plus, because you definitely did miss my posts to think "I am suddenly saying this." What I said was logical and comes from some experience that I had before I even created a SW account back in 2005.

The rest of the nonsense with Killzone and Xbone, it just random speculation on your part and it has no bearing to anything because it's wrong and it's off topic to what I said. I don't even care about KZ as I don't care for it, you brought that up. I've known before the PS4/Xbone/Wii U announced they were going to be consoles and therefore static, NON-upgradable hardware. They have LIMITS, lol. My point above is about PR effects and DEVELOPERS choices with static, fixed hardware. Basically it comes down to you couldn't refute my post and decided to created a straw-man to beat up on. You must be looking for some other user and settled for me, lol.

You took a lot of guesses and came out wrong, exposing your incredibly huge bias when you took a post of mine and got decidedly off-topic and disruptive and delusional about the past. Accept my post and move on. Actually, it seems you accepted my post, but you just wanted to quote me for some fanboy delusional reason, lol. I guess you didn't like my well thought out response to this thread. My legitimate response blew a gasket in your mind, and you couldn't take it and here we are. lol.

Your assumptions, hypocrisy, and biases are just too funny.

It's funny you have 45,000 posts and you took the time to look at my posts. You even looked at my older posts from last year, lol. I joined in 2006, and I only have 366 posts, I don't spend everyday and all my time over here like you. If my assumption of you as a PS4 fanboy was wrong, then I apologize, I didn't take the time to look at your posts, maybe I was too quick in making assumptions, but what I could sense from your post is that you come off as a Sony fanboy apologist, because where were all your posts defending Microsoft's resolution and graphics? Please cite a forum post where you say all this when the resolution issues and comparisons for Xbox were reported. Why suddenly defend now?

And nope, I'm not a huge Xbox One Fan, Last year, I was planning to buy both, but now that I see that the superior console for me is the PS4, I chose to buy only the PS4 instead. I just don't like Playstation cows, more so than Xbox Lems. They flood every gaming forum and article(more so than lems) with their insults, bashing of gamers, insecurity, denial of issues. If there are any good news for Xbox, cows usually troll and flood the article/forum topic and bash and insult. But whenever there are issues with the PS4, the downplaying and denial is just too much. Whenever there is a negative issue with the Xbox One, cows blow the issues out of proportion. Likewise, if there are good news for PS4, everybody is happy, fortunately not much lems like to troll on those.

I wasn't refuting anything in your post, I actually agree with your post. Where did you get that idea from? What I'm assuming is that you are a PS4 fanboy who is suddenly saying all these things because Killzone: Shadowfall is not up to the 1080p 60 fps standards. Why didn't you tell us this before the news of the true Killzone: Shadowfall resolution and framerate came out? When there were comparisons between resolutions and framerates between the PS4 and Xbox One in forums and articles? That is why I assume that you are a hypocrite.

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#10  Edited By CloudStrife213
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@Shewgenja said:

@CloudStrife213 said:

I'm buying a PS4 over the Xbox One. Does that make me a cow? Nope. Only extremely immature and biased assholes are cows. Cows are extremely insecure, hence the need for them to defend and fight people over their console of choice. Google "Choice-Supportive Bias" and you will see what I mean.

All fanboys do that. I get torched regularly by the Lemmings here and branded cow just because I call out the XBone for what it is. The Lems here try to twist reality to defend the XBox and I have found them to be quite immature as well.

As I have said, everyone has there own biases. Who are you to tell other people that their choice of console is crap?

In their eyes, their console of choice is better, and there are plenty of personal reasons as to why they find their console of choice better. Not everybody is the same, and not everybody likes the same things, fighting other people and making an obvious effort to degrade other people and the other person's console of choice is immature.