You have zero articles to show none to support your Pro Intervention stance/argument don't even try with John McCain.

Nice deflection there.

"Why would an Arab spring HAVE to start in Saudi Arabia or Qatar?"

Here's a thought for ya maybe because those tyrants in Saudi Arabia or Qatar were Sunnis. This so called Arab Spring was directed agaisnt those countries who are not allied with Saudi Arabia or Qatar.

"I'm sure you have "your sources", who are just as vulnerable to the same hindsight trap that you are."

Weak insult i am sure your sources are Charles lister and The News Media they are quite a lovely bunch.

The current gov in Libya Western Libya the GNC is Islamist i am not just talking about the Muslim brotherhood. Everyone who has being paying attention unlike you who watches CNN all day knows nothing but squat. The Libyan intervention in Libya has given a rise to many different radical Islamist groups. Most of them favored by the gulf states.

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I have more articles dating back from 2011 so yeah thats how i had being keeping track on the matter at hand.

On Syria.

The majority of the so called rebels "FSA" dont have any minority support from kurds, nor Christians there only support comes from Sunni Countries and Sunni towns, the majority of the groups are not moderates.

"And Obama didn't start the Libian civil war."

The protests were started by NGOs expats, the same ones as they started them in Syria those werent real protests if that was an real arab spring then the protests would had started in Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

"Hindsight is 20/20. If you claim that you knew what would happen to Libya later at the time you're a blatant liar."

I do know more about the conflict then someone who just said the following.

"The Arab spring had so much promise back then, and the American people generally favored

Intervention.

Gaddafi was also fucked up"

That alone just shows you know nothing about Syria nor Libya expect for what you had seen on the news. I have my sources, including a Libyan, the majority of Libyans don't trust Americans anymore.

America wanted libya because Gaddafi wanted to plan the gold dollar to compete with the American dollar. Gaddafi before his warned that migrants and chaos would happen should anything happen to Gaddafi.

Just like the idiotic people generally favored going to war with Iraq based on Lies? and again in Libya? Americans are easily fooled by their stupid politicians who lie in their faces and then blame others for the mess that America creates.

Let me guess are Americans in favor going to war with Russia over Syria well?

Are you going to put your money where your mouth is?

Yeah yeah the promise of what? Freedom? Democracy? lol don't be stupid. The Arab Spring gave power to the Muslim Brotherhood in all those countries that were protesting. Funny the so called Arab Spring missed Saudi Arabia and Qatar i wonder why? because they have democracy?

Ironic isn't it?

"But Britain's Foreign Affairs Committee found that the Cameron-led government "failed to identify that the threat to civilians was overstated and that the rebels included a significant Islamist element."

The Libyan Rebels were no Saints. The majority of the Rebels were Islamists.

"Gaddafi was also fucked up"

At least Libya was better under Gaddafi then with the crap they have now. America gov should accept more the migrants from Europe maybe around a million? after all Obama created the mess.

That fits perfectly with David David Icke - Problem-Reaction-Solution.

Our leaders first had armed those so called Libyan rebel groups, the protests in Egypt, Libya were all manufactured. After the protests in Egypt they gave the rise to the Muslim Brotherhood then the real protests started.

Have u seen the UK danging report?

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"But Britain's Foreign Affairs Committee found that the Cameron-led government "failed to identify that the threat to civilians was overstated and that the rebels included a significant Islamist element."

The war, intervention was based on a lie.

And we are repeating the same BS on Syria. Then the media will continue to focus to target Iran. This isn't a conspiracy go read that report.

"And what should we have done? Nothing and not address the humanitarian crisis at the time?"

Under Muammar Gaddafi there was no humanitarian crisis NATO's/America's military intervention in Libya had caused the humanitarian crisis.

"but tell that to those that revolted against him."

Ah Yes you mean like fighters who had now left to the safety of the western countries? and the Gaddafi killer who is now living well off in some other western country not even caring whats happening in Libya? for your interest.

Khalifa Haftar

"Haftar held a senior position in the forces which overthrew Gaddafi in the 2011 Libyan Civil War. In 2014 he was commander of the Libyan Army when the General National Congress (GNC) refused to give up power in accordance with its term of office. Haftar launched a campaign against the GNC and its Islamic fundamentalist allies. His campaign allowed elections to take place to replace the GNC, but then developed into a civil war."

The GNC are the Islamic fundamentalist and their allies who rule Western Libya. Now the American gov wants to take out Khalifa Haftar as well and why? because he turned agaisnt GNC, the GNC is failing Libyans. And no the fighters doing any better.

"In the end, we left the future of Libya in their own hands. I mean, which scenario would be better? Doing nothing?"

Sometimes inaction is better then action because you never know the kind of pandora box's you might open. And as we had seen in Libya the Intervention in Libya resulted into a massive flow of migrants moving towards to Europe like a invasion.

Sometimes none interventionism is better if you don't meddle in affairs of countries that you dont know or pretend to know.

As i stated and shown like Obama she will be bowing to the Qataris and Saudis dictators you got owned here. You defended her and Obama's polices with a fail. At least life was better with Gaddafi as life was better in Yugoslavia and so forward look at the world America is no longer respected as it was once before. So again Hillary like Obama wont do anything differently expect bowing down.

The news media wants to lie that the world is prefect at the moment because of Obama's polices but the reality is. The World isn't.