[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Da_Truth5"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]Nah I just disagree with you because you stated something as fact when it isn't remotely true. I then told you to stop watching Fox News, because ignorant people who aren't smart enough to think for themselves watch Fox News and they generally pick up a racist and anti-Muslim rhetoric from watching Bill O'reilly and Sean Hannity. Since you blatantly stated an untruth about Islam I just assumed you were ignorant and a Fox News watcher. How is this not true? Non-believers are treated as second class citizens, paying Jizya and face discrimination. There are many Hadith that claim that the day of judgement will not begin until the Jews and nonbelievers are fought. The Quran changes its tone to nonbelievers as frequently as Obama to his policies. And yet, I am wrong? About what? Please tell.Hadith? Hadith have nothing to do with the Quran, and there a different Hadith for both Sunni and Shi'a Muslims. Most of them are of disputed authenticity. The Hadith and The Quran are both a necessary part of Islam. With the Hadiths, Muslims would not know how to doa lot of the rituals associated with prayer, fasting, Hajj, Sadaqah, Eid Al Akbar Wa Alzghar, etc, etc. Most are not of disputed authenticity especially the 40 ahadith of the "Alnabawi."
[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Da_Truth5"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] With this statement you prove your lack of understanding and knowledge of anything to do with Islam. You should quit while you can, and watch less Fox News... Very nice logic. So, your argument is as follows: 1) I disagree with you by pointing out a part of your statement and calling it ignorant. 2) I accuse you of watching Fox News Therefore, you are wrong.Nah I just disagree with you because you stated something as fact when it isn't remotely true. I then told you to stop watching Fox News, because ignorant people who aren't smart enough to think for themselves watch Fox News and they generally pick up a racist and anti-Muslim rhetoric from watching Bill O'reilly and Sean Hannity. Since you blatantly stated an untruth about Islam I just assumed you were ignorant and a Fox News watcher. How is this not true? Non-believers are treated as second class citizens, paying Jizya and face discrimination. There are many Hadith that claim that the day of judgement will not begin until the Jews and nonbelievers are fought. The Quran changes its tone to nonbelievers as frequently as Obama to his policies. And yet, I am wrong? About what? Please tell.
[QUOTE="IustitiaMaximus"]"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (Sura 5, verse 51).Nuck81
Yeah, keep reading, and look at that scripture in the proper context of the rest of the chapter around it. In the beginning of his "prophetic" career, Muhammad was actually quite accepting of the Jews and Christians. In fact , there are Ayat in the Quran that prove this claim by a promise of good for the people of the book. After the Jews and Christians denied him as a prophet in his time in Medina, the Ayats changed dramatically. Allah supposedly started releasing new Ayat that overwrote the old, part of which being those who are not Muslim, enter hell for eternity.
[QUOTE="Da_Truth5"]Even though I would not go as far as calling Islam a religion with "terrorist" doctrine, it most definitely is easier to rationalize violent, delusional behavior much easier with Islam than with other religions.Nuck81
With this statement you prove your lack of understanding and knowledge of anything to do with Islam. You should quit while you can, and watch less Fox News... Very nice logic. So, your argument is as follows: 1) I disagree with you by pointing out a part of your statement and calling it ignorant. 2) I accuse you of watching Fox News Therefore, you are wrong.
[QUOTE="Da_Truth5"]5 simple ways to ward off Aussiepet threads
1. Do not in ANY circumstance provoke it to react in ANY way that would lead to the creation of a thread. (Possible risk) 2. Ignore its posts no matter how idiotic they may seem. 3. Accept its picture as a legitimate representation of whatever may be behind the user profile. 4. When in doubt, avoid confrontation to circumvent any possibility of a reply from Aussiepet. (I am at risk here) 5. Install several software pieces as necessary that may help with blocking posts. IcyToasters
stop that. Probably a good idea. Though it should be obvious that it is a joke.
[QUOTE="Da_Truth5"]You are too ideal in your suggested solution. How does one "catch it early in life?" That is, how are people to diagnose a Pedophile unless he/she were to go into an institution and check themselves in? Even if they were, how do we go on to rehabilitate and treat them? The same way the Rabbis, Sheikhs, and priests "treat" homosexuality?foxhound_fox
Humanity needs some idealism. There is something called "science." It has a sub-field called "psychology" that tries to understand the human mind and how it functions. Hopefully in the near future those brilliant minds can determine what causes pedophilic thoughts and devise a way to detect them before they develop, and even more ideally, treat them so the person can live a life free from the desire to hurt children despite knowing what they are doing is wrong. 11 seasons of Law & Order SVU showed me that pedophilia isn't a choice, and we should feel sorry for those incapable of controlling themselves, and try to help them... rather than feel disgusted by them, and want them to come to harm. It would be the human thing to do. As to whether humanity is capable of living up to any sort of idealism is highly debatable. Nonetheless, the social "sciences" have yet to prove themselves as "real" science. With the possible exception of Psychiatry, most of these "sciences" are pseudosciences that have gone one step further, but have yet to reach the level acceptable to be called a "science." Besides, how is a television show a proof that pedophilia is a choice? I can use the same argument and claim that watching "an hour with Sheikh Jamal In Saeed" has proven to me that Homosexuality is a choice, and those who cannot control their urges should be stoned to death; two fallacious arguments do not make a sound argument.
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Because Muslims, like most religious people with a strong sense of cultural and/or religious identity, don't want to think about the possibility that their way of life is imperfect. It's understandable. You're a Muslim, are you not? Or were you?
I do not quite understand it. In many threads, whenever a peep of criticism is directed at Islam, many people go into defense mode and criticize the criticizer of Islam as being Islamophobic, ignorant, or irrational. It seems to be unique with Islam. Some need to realize that not all religions are equal. Even though I would not go as far as calling Islam a religion with "terrorist" doctrine, it most definitely is easier to rationalize violent, delusional behavior much easier with Islam than with other religions. I cite the Ahadith, Quran, and overall opnions of the scholars of Islam as a proof. I can give specific examples, if necessary. So, is it our of fear, ignorance, or some other arbitrariness based on illogical premises? Are you guilty of it? If so, why?
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