[QUOTE="DarkerKamikaze"]

I just watched it, I don't get what's wrong with it?

spookykid143

Oh I see, yeah I guess if you're looking for that then this probably won't serve you well, but I think it does fine for filling you into the plot (at least for being an digital comic :P.)

I just watched it, I don't get what's wrong with it?

With the Signature Edition not being on Steam I'm holding off for another Ultimate Edition, I haven't beaten the first one yet anyway so I'll have enough to keep me busy.

[QUOTE="DarkerKamikaze"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"] If all you care about is small-team battle PvP, then more power to you I guess? Raiding is pretty much the definitive end-game MMO experience. If you're not raiding, I somewhat question the point of investing time in an MMO. Why not just play an FPS or RTS title? Why not play a DotA-like or a hybrid experience ala ArmA, WW2 online, etc? Why not play any other game, in the world, where skill is the only decider, over MMO PvP where there are so many mitigating factors that degrade the competitive experience?

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And GW2 faces the problem of how long their PvP remains viable / fresh / interesting as far as even end-game PvP goes.

subrosian

Trust me I know that PvE is what drives MMO's, and that a PvP focused MMO probably wouldn't survive on the MMO market (coughwarhammeronlinecough), but PvP in MMO's can be just as fun as raiding. If I enjoy MMO PvP I see no reason to go play an "FPS or RTS game" they play completely different and the experience isn't the same. Also I do enjoy "small-team battle PvP" as well as Open World PvP :P.

I use to play TF2, before the Mann Co. update :( and I hate RTS games so I'm all set on SC2 :P.

[QUOTE="DarkerKamikaze"]>If Guild Wars 2 PvP is better than WoW how will it far, far worse end-game experience? (I only PvP for the most part, I don't really raid or anything like that :P.)subrosian

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And GW2 faces the problem of how long their PvP remains viable / fresh / interesting as far as even end-game PvP goes.

Trust me I know that PvE is what drives MMO's, and that a PvP focused MMO probably wouldn't survive on the MMO market (coughwarhammeronlinecough), but PvP in MMO's can be just as fun as raiding. If I enjoy MMO PvP I see no reason to go play an "FPS or RTS game" they play completely different and the experience isn't the same. Also I do enjoy "small-team battle PvP" as well as Open World PvP :P.

[QUOTE="DarkerKamikaze"]Seeing as neither Guild Wars 2 or ToR are close to release it's interesting that you've found out they have no end-game content :Psubrosian

If Guild Wars 2 PvP is better than WoW how will it far, far worse end-game experience? (I only PvP for the most part, I don't really raid or anything like that :P.)

It will have no effect on potential sales because people will be going back to WoW in 3 months anyway. The reality of the situation is that all of the "stuff" that games like Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 claim to "fix" is the same core of stuff that actually makes an MMO work / keep subscribers. - Old Republic is great for single player, yet lacks real end-game content. Guild Wars 2 is great for PvP, but lacks real end-game content. The problem just continues and cascades. You have to pick a point in the play experience where the game is at its peak, and because WoW chose the end-game, everything else struggles to compete to keep the diehards. - And no, I think the monthly fees on a game can become a sticking point. WoW can charge $15 a month because it's king, and because it has quite a few diehard / end-game players who would pay $150 a month if you asked them. Old Republic is a new MMO, and one that's aiming at a lot of people who don't currently pay for MMOs. The Star Wars name is only going to get you so far, and the monthly cost becomes an issue, especially for a younger audience.subrosian

Seeing as neither Guild Wars 2 nor ToR are close to release it's interesting that you've found out they have no end-game content :P.

If ToR is great, I'll pay what they want :P.

Steam has sales most days. but the relaly big sales usually happen along a holiday or some type of theme. Like last year there were great summer sales, but the fourht of july sales (it ws the whole week) were awesome!

Kinthalis

Wasn't awesome for my wallet :(.

I've only tried the demo, didn't really hook me so I never purchased it.