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#1 EightD
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Well, for starters, why ignore the rest of my post? :|

I said that for the same price or less you get performance greater than or equal to a dual. And quads will be utitlized in gaming, some games already do.

Next, the review you linked to doesn't include the Phenom II's. The review I linked to tested the games at 1920x1200 on High settings with a GTX 280, so I am not sure what you mean by them not having tested games on high settings. :?

Finally, for the second time. Quad cores work as well or better than dual cores when it comes to gaming. They also work better for most other programs than duals. They also cost about the same price as dual cores at this point. Quads are very affordable now, this isn't 2007/early 2008 anymore.

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#2 EightD
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Some people really need to do some research...

First of all, as that shows, quads do outperform duals in many game benchmarks now. Sometimes by not very much, but usually by quite a bit.

Also, that review clearly shows that AMD has become competitive again in the high-end CPU market. The PII 940 and 955 easily oust the Core 2 Quads in most programs. Some people seem to be forgetting that Deneb was never meant to compete with Core i7. That wasn't AMD's intent. Their intent was to compete with Intel's Yorkfield quads, and they do that very well.

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Question, where is the e8400,e8500, and e8600? Do they just blow the other away and are therefor not charted?

I don't know, I didn't choose the CPU's for the review for them. :P

There actually aren't many reviews that compared it to duals, as most just compared it with other quads.

Here's another that includes an E8600. It still shows the quads performing better.

I guess the point I was trying to make here was that for the purpose of gaming, quads perform greater than, or equal to duals. At this point, quads can be had for quite cheap ($190 for PII 940, $240 for PII 955, $220 for Q9400, etc.). Now, I dont think that anyone would argue that quads handle most CPU-intensive programs better than duals, as well as offering better multi-tasking performance. So, they offer overall better quality than duals, for the same price as duals; or for less, in the case of the E8600/E8700.

In general, duals are getting phased out. That's not to say they are not good--because they are-- but Intel and AMD are obviously pushing quads and will continue to. Plus, keep in mind that some games will be taking advantage of quad-cores such as Alan Wake. GTA IV and Supreme Commander already make use of quad-cores.

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#3 EightD
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I stand corrected. It was impossible to tell from those first pics.

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#4 EightD
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What's funny is that this is what the stock cooler was originally shown to look like by AMD.

Also, it does have heatpipes on the cooler, you just can't see them on the picture of the XFX one.

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#5 EightD
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Some people really need to do some research...

First of all, as that shows, quads do outperform duals in many game benchmarks now. Sometimes by not very much, but usually by quite a bit.

Also, that review clearly shows that AMD has become competitive again in the high-end CPU market. The PII 940 and 955 easily oust the Core 2 Quads in most programs. Some people seem to be forgetting that Deneb was never meant to compete with Core i7. That wasn't AMD's intent. Their intent was to compete with Intel's Yorkfield quads, and they do that very well.

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#6 EightD
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You can definitely get a PC that absolutely destroys any game out there for that price. I would not bother with a quad core chip. I would also go AMD. What I would do is take $300 off that $900 for games, then I would get:

Amd X2 6000. $67

4GB ddr2 800 ram. $43

am2+ / am2 motherboard for $50 or under with 6 channel audio.

random case for around $30.

small case fan for $10

optical mouse and kb for $20.

a 500-700 watt power supply that puts out at least 40amps on the 12v rails. You add 12V1 + 12V2, etc. $70. Maybe even cheaper with rebate.

a 500GB sata for $60.

xp64 oem for $100. You can likely find it cheaper on ebay. Just make sure it's unused :)

and I'd probably slap in an ati 4870 for $175. (You can find them. look!).

This should hit in a little over $600, and you'll definitely be able to max pretty much anything out there on most resolutions for the forseeable future.

Some will tell you to get a better processor, but don't bother. Use the extra cash for some great games. Also, do yourself a favor and do not overspend on a power supply and case. It's just a waste.farrell2k

That is some pretty bad advice man...

He said he has $800 to 900 to spend on the rig, so why limit him to $500-600? :|

I'm sure he will have money to spend on games.

Second, case is a matter of preference. In general, a ~$100 from a good manufacturer is going to be a higher quality in materials, build and airflow management. Again, with a $900 budget why should he have to get a cheap-o beige 90's style case with bad airflow?

As for a PSU, never tell anyone to "not overspend" on the PSU. Within reason, of course. That tends to start making people think that a $20 PSU is just fine... I chose to add that PC P&C because well, they really do make some of the very best. Also leaves him open for future upgrades. It's the kind of PSU you could easily carry over to another build in a couple years time.

Finally, there's no reason he shouldn't get quad core at this point. Benchmarks show quads DO perform better in gaming than duals and many games are starting to take advantage of quads. Try playing GTA IV on a dual... The motherboard I suggested is a great budget board that allows for great overclocks and has Crossfire support should he choose to eventually go that route (albeit x16/x8 ). I suggested the Crucial RAM because of personal experience with Crucial. I've been using their memory for years and it's always served me well. That ram has some amazingly tight timings as well.

Oh and, OP, if you need an OS, go with either Windows 7 RC (very stable, free to use and will work till summer 2010) or Vista Home Premium 64-bit. There's no reason to be suggesting XP anymore.

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#7 EightD
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I'll assume you are from the States and that price is in USD.

Et voila.

AMD Phenom II X4 940 + Gigabyte GA-MA790X
X-UD4P Mobo Combo
- $269.98

Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB - $74.99

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W PSU - $119.99 (99.99 after MIR)

LG 22X DVD-RW w/ Lightscribe - $23.99

4GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 RAM - $50.99

Sapphire HD 4870 1GB - $199.99

NZXT Tempest Case - $109.99

Total Cost: 849.92

You could make use of the rest to get a decent HSF to overclock that CPU as well.

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#8 EightD
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Agreed with Tufelhunden. Those results seem rather atypical, to say the least...

On a side note, what's with Cryostasis? Not a single ATI card combination can run it at playable framerates?:?

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#9 EightD
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Here's something I whipped up real quick. Boy are parts higher priced in the UK...

All prices include VAT.

Cooler Master Centurion 534 - £49.44

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-153-CM&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=29

Seasonic Silverpower 500W PSU - £57.99

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-010-SS&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1099

Samsung 22x DVD-RW - £17.99

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-099-SA&groupid=701&catid=10&subcat=951

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB - £42.99

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-206-SE&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=940

Asus HD4770 512mb Video Card - £79.34

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-196-AS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1434

Corsair XMS2 DHX 4GB DDR2 800 RAM - £38.99

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-184-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=813

Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4 AM2+ Mobo - £96.59

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-183-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=808

AMD Phenom II X3 710 - £109.24

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-237-AM&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=1328

Total: £492.56

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#10 EightD
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I'm inclined to suggest an HD 4670 or 4770.

Both are less than $100, both perform very well (especially the 4770) and both have very low power draw.

Of course, it would still help to know more about your current PSU.