@matteo7784: I'll go with $599 at least with the Elite controller, but no matter what they should include that controller with the system.

Give it up to MS for offering us 3 bare bones non-upgradeable gaming PC's with an exclusive OS. This isn't a dig, because Sony also needs to get props for their two.

No, they aren't real PC's, but you get my point. If you like MS games and want better graphics, you can upgrade. Same for the PS4 fans. If you like what you have, you still get the same games ( minus VR says MS) and not worry about it. At least they are close enough in design to give us good games available for both systems.

Not one "when you're rich" joke?

@pongley: you just said they can be uploaded whenever. That's a yes

@baral-o: That right there is part of the problem, They rarely ever tell you what the update is for (on the console at least), they just make you download it.

@baral-o: i got uncharted 4 a few days ago from gamefly, had to install an update

@Sound_Demon: he may have been sarcastic, but this patch is bigger than the original game.

@livedreamplay: generation of whiners that was preceded by a generation that didn't want to switch discs....who are you blaming for the whining?

@edinko: PC games don't have day one patches? If the answer is yes they do then I have to ask what your point was.

@livedreamplay: I've been a gamer since the C64/2600 days. Waiting to play a game you just bought AND a 9GB day one patch is annoying as hell, I dont care what generation you are from. Don't get me started on how you have to keep that data installed if you ever just want to jump into the game again after you've finished it. I'd rather go back to using 2 discs for a game and it not automatically install.