[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Look at all the trouble it is to pirate games to a console. Most ways include hot-modding a console, or using external software, or taking advantage of a systems security issues. For most people, the hassle of pirating on a console is just too much.

On a PC all you have to do is download the game from online or get the files from a friend. No software installations, no hot-modding, no hassle. Just install and play. Piracy on a PC is much more common.

lightleggy

That's not true if you're talking about the 360... But for the PS3 and Wii, yes.

[QUOTE="FollowY0urBliss"]

Hopefully people (and myself) will continue to bump this thread until you can get us those pics.... I'm honestly interested to see them. It should be pretty easy to take a few pics or even video using a cellphone. Make it look like you're sending someone a text message, and i'd bet nobody would notice at all.... After all, it's not like you're whipping out an old school poloroid camera. lol
And even if customers or the shop owner DID think you were taking pictures of his selection of pirated games... would he really CARE? I mean, he DOES have pirated games on display in his public store, after all.D4W1L4H

Here's footage of someone in Dubai walking into a store and buying Pirated PS3 games for $2.6 USD.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

It's bigger on PC.

First of all, I'm going to say I think you're wrong in claiming that more people own modified consoles than PC's. I would even go as far as to say for every 1 person who owns a modified console, there are 30 people who own a PC. I would estimate a 30 to 1 ratio in favor, not that many people own modified consoles.

Every act of piracy is done on a PC. If you're pirating PC games, you do it on a PC. If you're pirating console games, you do it on a PC. Every single act of piracy is done using a PC as the tool to get the job done. This automatically assumes that more PC games are pirated, because if a person is using their PC to pirate console games, who's to say they aren't pirating PC games as well? Especially considering that pirating PC games is easier? Pirating PC games and playing them doesn't require modifying your PC rig by soldering on aftermarket chips like you need to do for consoles. Plus, you don't need to burn PC pirated games onto discs.

Here are my bullet points as to why I think PC piracy is larger.

• Every act of piracy is performed on a PC, whether it be for console games or PC games.
• PC game piracy is easier and more accessible (doesn't require hardware modifications / burning discs)
• PC install base is larger than all of the console user bases combined, by a lot.
• Since every act of piracy is performed on a PC, who's to say that a person pirating console games isn't pirating PC games as well?
• Every pirate owns a PC, while only a fraction of pirates own modified consoles capable of playing pirated games.

lightleggy

And you dont need to solder any chip to modify a console...that's why I said "chip" because it's no longer a chip, it was a chip in the times of the PS2, now it's just a software alteration.

That's not entirely true.

Modding a console like the 360 is much more complicated then you are making it out to be. The "software alteration" you're talking about is actually flashing the firmware of the disc drive in the 360. You don't just "connect the xbox to a pc via a cable" like you posted earlier. It's actually a pretty complex process.

Obviously you have to take the 360 apart, which should only be done with a certain tool. Otherwise, you'll likely destroy the 360 casing. (And that's if you're lucky) Then you'd need to identify which particular 360 dvd drive is IN your 360. There's about a half-dozen (maybe more) different brands and/or varients of dvd drives that have been made for the 360. Some of them are easy to flash. Some of them are very difficult. And some of them (the newer ones) CAN'T be flashed. (Yet)

However, modding a 360 through a firmware flash is a bad option. First of all, flashed 360s are easily flagged when connected to XBL. About once a year MS permabans the modded consoles from XBL. But they don't just stop there. You lose your ability to install games on your HDD. Your XBL profile on THAT console is corrupted. (You can still import your gamertag from a 360 via xbl that ISN'T banned) And you can't bring anything (dlc, saves, GTs) from the banned console to a different console (via mem card or flash drive) without it being corrupted.

And finally, games come out in "waves" on the 360. I believe current games may be on wave 5 or 6. So basically, if your console was flashed, say, 2 years ago with the wave 3 firmware, then you will be unable to play any pirated game above wave 3 unless you (or someone else) takes your 360 apart again, and reflashes with the current firmware needed to play the current games. Oh, and there is NO way to get UNbanned from xbl once youve been banned.

Modding a 360 with a chip is actually the better option. (but not much better) You have to solder, and the chips cost money, (the amount depends on the quality of the chip) but there is less of a chance of you being banned from xbl. Also, it may be easier (depending on the chip) to update your modded console so it plays current games.

So... someone where you live might spend $300 on a modded console capable of playing pirated games... But if playing online, or playing any games that come out a year after they bought their flashed 360...they're going to be spending a good bit more.

Oh, and for my opinion, piracy is def bigger on pc OVERALL. Much, much easier.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] So you shouldn't talk about the subject dude. the amount of gaming piracy in america is shockingly low when compared to the countries with highest ratings. So using america as an example is terrible. In my country, and in pretty much every single latinamerican country and also some european, the streets are crawling with stores that only sell pirated games. Hell if you want to, I can go to the store that is right next to my house, take a picture of their game shelves so that you can see how many piracy there is here.lightleggy

Not that I doubt you, but could you post a pic? I believe it myself having visited an eastern European country and piracy was quite rampant there as well. I think it might help enlighten those fanboys who think piracy only happens on PC.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]
Something extra ruined the game?KungfuKitten

Well the 360 is the bro gamer console while the PS3 is a console for artistic, smart and creative people so I agree.kuraimen

[QUOTE="FollowY0urBliss"]

No, but one of my ferrets did while i wasnt paying attention.

btw, can someone post a cute or funny picture of a ferret? I love those little guys...

Cherokee_Jack

Okay.

No, but one of my ferrets did while i wasnt paying attention.

btw, can someone post a cute or funny picture of a ferret? I love those little guys...

1) The same rehased crap over and over again.

Every thread with this, Sony is doomed, PS3 is crap, 360 is doomed, 360 has no games. It is the same crap over and over again and won't stop. It is a dead horse everyone, quit beating the s*** out of it.

2) The lies

Cows: "I own a gaming rig"

Lems: "There are more exclusives on the 360"

The lies are used to cover up ownage of the fanboys and is too idiotic at times.

3) The sales and cost

They complain about which platform sells more or which multiplatform sells more. I believe that sales do matter since it makes a company profit, but which one sells more is ridiculous. If you already bought the console, then why bother with its price drop? You already bought it, it doesn't matter the cost anymore. If any price of a console is ridiculous, then get a 3DO, which was $700.

4) The games

Let me make this perfectly clear so it comes through your mind, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CASUAL AND CORE GAMING. In fact, fanboys that argue about this is an idiot.

5) The hardware

Here is the hardware of both consoles in three words: Plastic, Metal, Wires. That is it, nothing else. You can argue about the cell or stupid s*** no one cares about, but that is basically it. Even the PC itself is the same thing without the plastic (even though gaming laptops can have plastic). These platforms are meant for entertainment, that's it.

All of this has shown between the debate of the PS3 vs. 360, making it the dumbest war in human history. If you deny or agree with these statements, then leave a comment below.

sonic1564