lf you must know, l was thinking that philosophical analagies dont' prove anything, as they can be applied to almost anything. So l gave one that contradicted Eddie-Vedder's analogy.Gallion-Beast

Okay, but I was just pointing out that your analogy didn't apply well to the topic of the thread.

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]

What does generation have to do with this topic? And PC has nothing to do with this either. I'm talking about consoles. And for the PS2's library it consists of PS1 titles and PS2's.

StealthSting

It does in the way that consoles are differently defined by their respective generations. So I don't see anything wrong with people defining a library of a console or a game by their respective generations as well. If somebody approached me and asked: How was the quality of the library of the PS2? If PS2 meant as a single generation for me period and if I took the question as such, why would that be incorrect?

So it all boils down to: I agree with you, but I ultimately disagree with you when you say that the ones that don't are incorrect or that their responces to your thread are false. Since they are basing a library of a console, by its respective generation. They are simply defining the word "library" in a different manner from yours.

Good post

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]A man walks into a brand new library state of the art full of thousands and thousands of books, he can buy any book he wants, he can read any book he wants but some books don´t belong to the library cause they weren´t made with this brand new library in mind? Does that make any sense at all?-RPGamer-

Are we assuming that they some how don't have the ability to rename a section?

His analogy is so far skewed that it is quite interesting just wondering what the hell he was thinking about when he wrote it. First of all the PS2 isn't going to lose the ability to play PS1 games ever, so what was the point of making an example of a library losing space for books and having to put them in a different section? I don't see ANY correlation with the topic of discussion. You are so stuck on the PS1 GAME and PS2 GAME part of this topic... but nobody called PS1 games PS2 games. I simply said that they are apart of the PS2's library.

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]Yes, but how am I wrong? The PS2 plays PS1 games and PS2 games. It doesn't matter what people think about when you say "PS2 library". Gallion-Beast

Why do we need a definition for what a library of something is? Yes there are PS1 games... and yes there are PS2 games. The PS1 has it's own library of games, but the PS2 has it's collection of games as well as the PS1 games to choose from. That's where the debate is over.

And a library by definition is a collection of things. That's why when you go to one, you have access to newspaper articles, books, magazines, computers with databases etc. Now it's the same thing with the PS2. Just because everything isn't the SAME format in a library doesn't mean that it's not apart of the library. I cannot explain this any simpler.

I say "YES" because I think it's a part of the library because you can buy a PS1-game just to play it on your PS2. But if we think like this we should also reconsider that the gamecube library is a part of the Wii-library, just as every VC-game out there. The same goes with the 360 and XBOX.Cyberfairy

Yes, you are completely right.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]The PC is a neat example of this concept b/c it happens inherently with gaming PCs. Everytime you upgrade it's usually to be able to play something new that wasn't possible on your old hardware. Yet, when you upgrade doyou expect to lose the ability to play previous titles? No. You expect you hardware to have backwards compatibility with previously released titles. Here we have PC's pulling off BC all the time, and yet the PC library despite being huge is considered a single entity.StealthSting

Yes, but by definition the PC itself is not considered to be a different platform from itself when it comes to gaming, nor does it define itself from different generations when it comes to gaming... since well it does not have a solid base to do so, since most of it's era can only be definied individually or in a subjective way... What I'm trying to say is, can you give me the name that specifies the generation the PC platform is going through right now? Or the last one?..... Meh I'll respond to that poll by using the paper and scissors game :lol: ...

What does generation have to do with this topic? And PC has nothing to do with this either. I'm talking about consoles. And for the PS2's library it consists of PS1 titles and PS2's.

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]True, but the database was made for you to have access to the previous one. Just like the PS2. Sony purposely made the console BC and they didn't have to do that. Same with the PS3. The 360's hardware is an example of a company NOT keeping it's previous console's titles in mind when they made the console. That's why all of the Xbox1 games aren't compatible with the 360. I didn't say they weren't PS1 games, I just said they are apart of the PS2's library. It's really not that hard to understand.Gallion-Beast

Yes, but how am I wrong? The PS2 plays PS1 games and PS2 games. It doesn't matter what people think about when you say "PS2 library".

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"][QUOTE="GoldenGlove"][QUOTE="SpecialForcesOp"]

Hell no PS1 games = PS1 Libary

PS2 = PS2 Libary

PS3 = PS3 Libary.

OGTiago

A library is defined as a collection of things at your disposal to use. Sony made the PS2 with the PS1 in mind, so they made the console fully BC with all the PS1 games. So why shouldn't those games count as a part of PS2's library when you can play them all on one console?

Yes I know, but it seems like people love the SNES so much that they'll strongly disagree with me feeling that the PS2 has a better list of games to play for it. They don't want PS1 games to be counted toward the PS2's library for fanboy reasons in my opinion.

PS1 games may have not been made specifically for the PS2, but the PS2 was specifically made to play them along with PS2 games.

Next...

Amazing how much sony hate you find on this board, everyone knows the games are a part of the ps2´s library, but that means the ps3 has a huge library of games which is a good thing, and the ps3 can´t have good things.

IF YOU CAN PLAY THE GAMES ON THE SYSTEM THEY ARE PART OF THE SYSTEMS LIBRARY.

Eddie-Vedder

Yeah, that's what my opinion is too. The idea of this thread came from another one. People wanted to say that the SNES has the best library of all time so much that they try and downplay how great the PS2's library was and still is. And when I said PS1 games count for PS2's library they really got defensive.