Dont forget 4 second start ups and 1 second shutdowns.genaroll

depends how you life, people usually don't turn on their PCs just for videogames.

When you buy a physical copy of a PC game, you have to;

1. Put disc into tray
2. Close tray
3. Wait one minute for Win32 installation prompt
4. Choose installation package
5. Insert code proving that you're not a pirate
6. Spend 10 minutes installing
7. Insert Disc 2
8. Spend another 15 minutes installing
9. Insert Disc 3
10. Have lunch
11. Download 1.2 gig worth of updates a la S.T.A.L.K.E.R
12. Run game
13. Run game again because it crashed
14. Spend minutes fiddling with sliders because system reqs are insane
15. Play game

GoGoGadget_

and console gamer have to

1. searching the game in the library

2. putting the disc into the tray

3. searching the remote

4. wth is the remote!!!

5. asking mum after the remote

6. searching in the cushions

7. going to mum again asking for some batteries for the remote

8. turning the tv on and searching for the canal

9. realizing that the tv cables from the console are not plugged into the tv because an other console is

10. unplugging the other console cables

11. doing a patch for the game

12. making their sisters clear that they are not going to watch gilmore girls

13. playing the game

ok ok you beat us with 3 :P

Yeah, but its the exact same video. Meaning the game was only played once at a certain gameplay framerate. Probably 30 fps. Then the video was edited to run faster at 60fps. You can tell because the second one just seems faster. Its not the same thing as in game framerate. Games framerate makes for more fluidity.

A faster running movie/video is just faster running. In movies and videos its speed. Less frames is slomo and so on. In games its just smoothness of animation and such.

If you want to showcase a game running in each you need to play a pc game such as crysis at settings to run around 30 fps. And then replay again with lowered settings (maybe resolution and a few other settings) to get near 60fps. And record each session. The videos wouldn't be identical but then you'd see the diff between a game running at 60fps and 30fps.

blues35301

the mp4 video itself and the actual gameplay were 60 frames, i just uploaded the same video in different pages with different maximums for framerates. I did nothing speed up.

I prefer stability over higher framerate, if possible. I'd much rather have a steady 30fps that never ever dips, than a game that's kinda 60 but drops to 30 sporadically or (worse) floats in 40's/50's and constantly tears.

Teufelhuhn

yeah, thats true. Some games are even broke and are constantly switching between 30 and 60 with nothing in between like in SH3 on PC. I played it with a framelocker @ 30. It was just annoying when ever you got into a new room its going from 60 to 30.

I run 120 refresh rate myself :P makes games more smooth imo

GTSaiyanjin2

me too its awesome for old classics like doom and hexen.

Are those videos supposed to be examples of each? If so MEGA fail. It's the same video running at different speeds. That's not how it works. Video framerate isn't the same as game and animation framerate...In movies its speed in games its fluidity.

blues35301

No they are real check out the frames with fraps or something. Youtube doesnt allow more than 35 frames.

30 is the lowest any game should hit. Higher is ALWAYS better. I can't ever see myself saying I wish this 60 FPS game ran at 30.

I can see turning down effects for better framerate. I can see putting up with 30 for the effects if the developers gave me no choice (consoles) or the leap from high to ultra is noticeable.

I can't imagine anyone saying, "I really like it when my games run slower".

Metalscarz

well thats why i asked what are the needs for you

topic says it all 30 fps vs 60 fps. Explain also why :)

Listen, you are WRONG. I have provided facts and you are in complete denial of the truth here. Do you think TF2 is a mod? CSS? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA. That is a lie, they are games, that is a fact. And CSS is one of the most competeitive games of all time. You are basing this on the fact that you think RTS games are just better than FPS games just 'cause, TF2 can be compared to RTS games like WC3 and SC because the topic is support and TF2 has gotten more free content and suppor than either WC3 or SC. TF2 has a smaller competitive scene, you have got me there but CSS could easily compete with the competetive scene for SC (maybe not in Korea). Stop trying to defend Blizzard, YOU ARE WRONG. I have given you facts but you are just dis regarding them. You are wrong, you have lost this argument, you have. If you think that DoD:S, CSS and TF2 are nothing than mods and that because they are FPS game's they cannot be supported and are crappy compared because they aren't RTS games than you don't know anything about what you are talking about and your argument is both invalid and in complete denial. I have facts, you don't, stop arguing and just accept that Blizzard isn't the only PC supporting company in the world.

BrickMcStick

every game that isnt in wcg isnt serious enough to be an esport classic.

i want WCIV. WC3 was epic and the best game ever made imo. I hope they decide to refresh the story back to end of frozen throne. They could still using the main elements like drenai as new race for example. But there is no way the main character could be raided by none names, that would be fail³.

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[QUOTE="Raxzor"]Why do people still bang on about 'where's Warcraft 4?' are you stupid? Blizz will never make it as long a WoW is making money.Raxzor

wth youre talking about wc4 was never the topic. And its allready confirmed that the starcraft2 team is going to do a wc4 after sc2. Its pretty clear that warcraft and starcraft are 2 different games. Why shouldnt they keep doing 2 different rts franchises to suck even more money from rts gamer if blizzard is such a money hungry company?

Go back and read for begining and WC4 is mentioned and show me a source that Blizz have confirmed WC4! They won't make a WC4 as long as there is WoW. It would be a major lore screw up for both games.

lolmao keep arguing without backing up your posts

Why do people still bang on about 'where's Warcraft 4?' are you stupid? Blizz will never make it as long a WoW is making money.Raxzor

wth youre talking about wc4 was never the topic. And its allready confirmed that the starcraft2 team is going to do a wc4 after sc2. Its pretty clear that warcraft and starcraft are 2 different games. Why shouldnt they keep doing 2 different rts franchises to suck even more money from rts gamer if blizzard is such a money hungry company?