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#1 HailEnki
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[QUOTE="HailEnki"][QUOTE="Zero_Fate_"]

Ok first of all before saying this let me claim that im more of a hermit than anything else (although im not really a hermit).

Ok, the PC GAMING IS GOING TO BE IN A DECLINE. Yeah, the quality of the PC games is increasing and it makes people want to get it.....out of piracy. In otherwords, PC gamers themselves are killing PC gaming. Developers would be kind of foolish to create more exclusive games because chances are that if it doesnt have a famous name on it (or if some angry guy doesnt want to support the company but still wants to play the game) than chances are that they will pirate the game which will decrease the sales. Yeah, some games are harder to pirate than others but that wont stop them and yes, even console games can be pirated but the difference is that pirating a PC game can be obtained through a simple download and CD-crack. If you pirated a game for the console, youll be taking a risk of getting caught by Xbox Live and heck even Sony Online.

I mean what developer wants to sell something for the PC when they arent going to make as much profit as consoles? There are rare exceptions but for the most part the PC gaming industry is going to be in a decline if the piracy issues dont change.

Zero_Fate_

Even if the sales are lowering (which there not its called online distribution and its not being factored in most sales you see noob) So what? Developers even if they are not making much, many can't afford the expensive move to the console industry and even if they could, most publsiers wouldnt even give them the chance to. Add the fact that many even if there not making big bucks most of them are making enough money to STAY in business and know that at any moment they can hit it big, they know the people are out their, look at the top selling recent games for PC they sell better then perhaps any console game has recently.

Decline or incline the small companies that keep making these great games are making enough to stay in business and will not be making the move to the console industry for a variety of reasons. Meaning year and year again. Every single year for the 360/PS3/Wiis life you are going to see the PC with more AAAEs/AAEs then any single one any given year and in some cases more then all of them combined.

Ok, first off Online Distribution helped sales. So what? The majority of the people would still prefer to get it for free. Take a good look at whats happening with Double Agent for the PC. ALOT of the community members (even people that claim that they are Splinter Cell fans) would prefer to get the game through piracy. If I take a poll with every PC gamer thinking about purchasing Double Agent, they would want it through piracy. Also the developers dont have enough cash to move to the console industry isnt really true. Take a good look at the PC's top 10 selling games currently, most of them are already involved with the console industry. As for the top recent games? Wait until 2-3 weeks time, the PC game sells would be runned over by Gears of War, Zelda and probably Resistance.

Staying in business is tougher than it sounds when your distributing something for the PC, you can make a budget getting the development needs out of the PC but than it probably wont sell alot. If you take a risk getting your hands on a development kit than the game might be a big hit and you could probably make a million-dollar game. Its more likely on the console than the PC. And yes, thats why PC gaming has such quality titles in the first place. Counter-Strike for example never though of a commercial release but thanks to the extreme popularity its one of the most populated online games ever. Was this by luck or by making a quality title? Both, without Half-Life than Counter-Strike never would have existed. Without Counter-Strike, Half-Life's sales would have lowered drastically.

Ok so what piracy hurts! I never claimed it didn't! My point is that it doesn't hurt enought to singnificantly hurt any business and consoles are much more of a pain to develop for in many ways such as the main reason you will never see small PC developers ever goto console is simply the cost and the publishers unwilling frames of thought to except anything other then cookie cutter remakes of the blockbusters.
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[QUOTE="HailEnki"] Duh... Because consoles are cheaper. But then cheaper may= more popularity, but it hardy= better, in fact in this case it's just the opposite when you look at the AA/AAAe numbers.

Consoles are more popular for the same reason a Dodge Neon is more popular then a Dodge Viper.

To bad for you popularity doesn't = better more quality games huh? :lol: :lol:


munu9


BTW you do know that the GBA has at least around 70 AAE games right?

Handhelds are a completly different catagory which is why you dont see anyone in systemwars stupid enought to say something like the DS OWNS TEH 360! The development of a consoile/PC game is what 1 to 5 years? 1 year if hundreds of people are working on it and its crap The handhelds on the other hand, are much much less complicated and are far far cheaper and faster to make you can't compare them at all.
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[QUOTE="HailEnki"][QUOTE="munu9"]

meh

Fact: pswii60 >>> PC

You get a variaty of controllers, and gameplay styles all for less than the cost of a good gaming PC

I like to compare PC gaming to console gaming with the psp to the DS. Sure you can get better graphics on the psp and sure it might technically have as many AA/AAA games as the DS but the DS is overall more fun, more popular and is a better overall gaming device...

munu9

About the same amount? Over 3x as many is hardly the same amount, go back to math class buddy. More fun? Hardly, conslole games have crap for depth and the whole console industry is basically just a couple top blockbusters a year with everything else being just a bunch of crap for the most part.


Fact PC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all else :lol: its sad you try to claim the PC is worse when The PC in just the last 5 years has more AAEs then perhaps ever single console combined in the last decade which really shows how top heavy the whole crappy casual industry is. Popularity means nothing when you have garbage like that matrix game and a game made after a rapper sell over 5 million :lol:

So tell me this, why does PC have overall more games for it when consoles are more popular for gaming? Also, answer me this, if gamespot were to rate "mine sweaper" for the PC, what would it get?

Duh... Because consoles are cheaper. But then cheaper may= more popularity, but it hardy= better, in fact in this case it's just the opposite when you look at the AA/AAAe numbers.

Consoles are more popular for the same reason a Dodge Neon is more popular then a Dodge Viper.

To bad for you popularity doesn't = better more quality games huh? :lol: :lol:  No it= 50 cent bullet proof selling a billion copies


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Ok first of all before saying this let me claim that im more of a hermit than anything else (although im not really a hermit).

Ok, the PC GAMING IS GOING TO BE IN A DECLINE. Yeah, the quality of the PC games is increasing and it makes people want to get it.....out of piracy. In otherwords, PC gamers themselves are killing PC gaming. Developers would be kind of foolish to create more exclusive games because chances are that if it doesnt have a famous name on it (or if some angry guy doesnt want to support the company but still wants to play the game) than chances are that they will pirate the game which will decrease the sales. Yeah, some games are harder to pirate than others but that wont stop them and yes, even console games can be pirated but the difference is that pirating a PC game can be obtained through a simple download and CD-crack. If you pirated a game for the console, youll be taking a risk of getting caught by Xbox Live and heck even Sony Online.

I mean what developer wants to sell something for the PC when they arent going to make as much profit as consoles? There are rare exceptions but for the most part the PC gaming industry is going to be in a decline if the piracy issues dont change.

Zero_Fate_
Even if the sales are lowering (which there not its called online distribution and its not being factored in most sales you see noob) So what? Developers even if they are not making much, many can't afford the expensive move to the console industry and even if they could, most publsiers wouldnt even give them the chance to. Add the fact that many even if there not making big bucks most of them are making enough money to STAY in business and know that at any moment they can hit it big, they know the people are out their, look at the top selling recent games for PC they sell better then perhaps any console game has recently.

Decline or incline the small companies that keep making these great games are making enough to stay in business and will not be making the move to the console industry for a variety of reasons. Meaning year and year again. Every single year for the 360/PS3/Wiis life you are going to see the PC with more AAAEs/AAEs then any single one any given year and in some cases more then all of them combined.
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meh

Fact: pswii60 >>> PC

You get a variaty of controllers, and gameplay styles all for less than the cost of a good gaming PC

I like to compare PC gaming to console gaming with the psp to the DS. Sure you can get better graphics on the psp and sure it might technically have as many AA/AAA games as the DS but the DS is overall more fun, more popular and is a better overall gaming device...

munu9
About the same amount? Over 3x as many is hardly the same amount, go back to math class buddy. More fun? Hardly, conslole games have crap for depth and the whole console industry is basically just a couple top blockbusters a year with everything else being just a bunch of crap for the most part.


Fact PC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all else :lol: its sad you try to claim the PC is worse when The PC in just the last 5 years has more AAEs then perhaps ever single console combined in the last decade which really shows how top heavy the whole crappy casual industry is. Popularity means nothing when you have garbage like that matrix game and a game made after a rapper sell over 5 million :lol:
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PC was once king, it's not anymore.

It's been going downhill every since consoles started dominating. Hermits are just angry so they use the AAA's to show PC is still king when the majority of AAA's came from a long long time ago, when the current gen consoles were still getting started.

I'm not saying PC is finished, but it will always hold last spot now that consoles are around.
the-very-best
OUCH :lol: :lol: work on your damage control cow :lol: these are games in the last 5 years buddy! And guess what? Thus far more recent years 05 and 06 have shown the PC is just as strong as it was earlier, perhaps even stronger. WIth 07 already shaping up to be PCs biggest year this decade thus far.
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[QUOTE="pkk77"][QUOTE="Prid3r"]where Halo and Halo2 :| ?Prid3r

Not exclusive


halo2 is still exclusive . you can't get it on any other system yet .

I didnt include Half-life 2 or episode 1
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This should be floated!
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Missed a few games? For what system and what games? Just accept the massive ownage consolers! Even if you added all the AAA/AA exclusives on the PS1 you still wouldnt even touch the PCs numbers from just 5 years!!!
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AAAE's 46 total! (since Q3 01)


World of Warcraft 9.5

Civilization IV 9.4

Unreal Tournament 2004 9.4

Battlefield 2 9.3

Enemy Engaged 9.0

Rise of Nations 9.3

No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way 9.3

Mafia 9.3 (The console versions were garbage they got in the 6s)

Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 9.3

FIFA Soccer 2002 9.3

Flight Simulator 2002 9.3

Black and White 9.3

Combat Mission 9.0

The Sims 9.1 (Exclusive good version)

The Operative: No One Lives Forever 9.3 (Dont even mention the PS2s version that scored a 4.6)

The Longest Journey 9.3

Homeworld 9.1

Guild Wars 9.2

Sid Meier's Pirates! 9.2

Far Cry 9.2

Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne 9.2

Age of Mythology 9.2

Neverwinter Nights 9.2

IL-2 Sturmovik 9.2

Return to Castle Wolfenstein 9.2

Civilization 3 9.2

Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn 9.2

Diner Dash 9.1

Decsent 3 9.1

Rome: Total War 9.1

Serious Sam: The Second Encounter 9.1

Syberia 9.1

Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin 9.1

Wizardry 8 9.1

Dark Age of Camelot 9.1

Clive Barker's Undying 9.1

Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord 9.1

GTR 9.0

Company of Heroes 9.0

Galactic Civilizations II: Dread Lords 9.0

Wik and the Fable of Souls 9.0

Rise of Nations: Thrones & Patriots 9.0

Call of Duty 9.0

Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast 9.0

Medal of Honor Allied Assault 9.0

Giants: Citizen Kabuto 9.0





AAE's 8's 249 total since Q3 01


Europa Universalis 8.1

Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal 8.7

Myst III: Exile 8.7

Hostile Waters: Antaeus Rising 8.5

Zeus Official Expansion: Poseidon 8.5

Startopia 8.3

Emperor: Battle for Dune 8.3

Train Simulator 8.2

Diablo II: Lord of Destruction 8.2

Independence War 2: Edge of Chaos 8.9

Commandos 2: Men of Courage 8.8

Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis 8.7

Jumpgate: The Reconstruction Initiative 8.6

Zeus: Master of Olympus 8.6

Total Warlord 8.5

Monopoly Tycoon 8.5

Sub Command 8.4

The Corporate Machine 8.4

Conquest 8.2

Shattered Galaxy 8.0

Hot Date 8.8

Rally Trophy 8.7

Battle Realms 8.7

Europa Universalis II 8.5

CaC Yuri's Revenge 8.5

Capitalism II 8.5

The Wolf Age 8.4

Black Gold 8.4

EverQuest: The Shadows of Luclin 8.4

Galactic Battlegrounds 8.2

Asheron's Call Dark Majesty 8.1

Etherlords 8.1

Sid Meier's SimGolf 8.8

Heroes of Might and Magic IV 8.8

Trainz 8.7

Flanker 2.5 8.5

Tropico Paradise Island 8.4

Dungeon Siege 8.4

Disciples II 8.4

Star Trek Bridge Commander 8.2

Warlords Battlecry II 8.2

Homeworld: Cataclysm 8.9

Grand Prix 3 8.5

Age of Empires II: The Conquerors Expansion 8.5

Warlords Battlecry 8.4

RollerCoaster Tycoon: Loopy Landscapes 8.2

The Sims: Livin' Large 8.1

Return of the Incredible Machine Contraptions 8.1

PGA Championship Golf 2000 8.9

MechWarrior 4: Vengeance 8.8

Links 2001 8.7

Virtual Pool 3 8.7

F1 Championship Season 2000 8.6

Sacrifice 8.6

Command & Conquer Red Alert 2 8.5

Rising Sun 8.5

Combat Flight Simulator 2: WWII Pacific Theater 8.5

Half-Life: Counter-Strike 8.4

Space Empires: IV 8.1

Shogun: Total War 8.8

Motocross Madness 2 8.8

Icewind Dale 8.6

Ground Control 8.5

Diablo II 8.5

Imperium Galactica II - Alliances 8.4

Aliens Versus Predator 8.3

Deus Ex 8.2

Trophy Bass 4 8.2

Dark Reign 2 8.1

Earth 2150 8.1

Serious Sam: The First Encounter 8.9

Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns 8.6

Tribes 2 8.5

Rowan's Battle of Britain 8.4

Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel 8.3

The Sims: House Party 8.3

The Moon Project 8.2


Global Operations 8.1

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Desert Siege 8.0

The Sims: Vacation 8.0

Creature Isle 8.0

WarBirds III 8.0

Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix 8.2

Tropico 8.6

Age of Wonders II 8.8

Steel Beasts 8.8

Airborne Assaults Red Devils 8.1

Unreal Tournament 2003 8.8

Jagged Alliance 2 Gold 8.8

Battlefield 1942 8.8

Medieval: Total War 8.7

Divine Divinity 8.6

Americas Army 8.4

Celtic Kings 8.4

Austerlitz 8.3

Xtreme Air Racing 8.3

MoonBase Commander 8.3

Icewind Dale II 8.3

Links 2003 8.1

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Island Thunder 8.1

Operation Flashpoint Resistance 8.1

The Sims: Unleashed 8.0

Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix 4 8.0

Stronghold Crusader 8.0

Robin Hood 8.6

Europa 1400 8.5

Deadly Dozen 8.3

Asheron's Calls Fallen King 8.3

Dark Age of Camelot 8.2

Soldiers of Anarchy 8.1

Medal of Honor Allied Assault: Spearhead 8.1

Star Trek: Starfleet Command III 8.0

Starships Unlimited 8.0

Command & Conquer: Generals 8.9

Battlefield 1942: The Road to Rome 8.9

NASCAR Racing 2003 Season 8.8

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield 8.7

IL-2 Sturmovik: The Forgotten Battles 8.6

Out of the Park Baseball 5 8.5

American Conquest 8.4

Praetorians 8.4

Galactic Civilizations 8.4

Freelancer 8.3

SimCity 4 8.1

A Tale in the Desert 8.0

The Omega Stone 8.0

F1 Challenge '99-'02 8.9

Aliens Versus Predator 2 8.7

Port Royale 8.5

The Elder Scrolls III: Bloodmoon 8.5

Medieval: Total War 8.2

Day of Defeat 8.1

The Sims: Superstar 8.0

Ghost Master 8.8

Flight Simulator 2004: A Century of Flight 8.8

Homeworld 2 8.7

Age of Wonders 8.7

Command & Conquer: Generals Zero Hour 8.6

Korsun Pocket 8.6

Anarchy Online 8.5

SimCity 4: Rush Hour 8.3

Age of Mythology: The Titans 8.3

Battlefield 1942: Secret Weapons of WWII 8.2

Etherlords II 8.0

Chaser 8.0

Tournament Dreams College Basketball 8.9

Star Chamber 8.8

Inspector Parker 8.7

Railroad Tycoon 3 8.7

Civilization III: Conquests 8.5

Empires: Dawn of the Modern World 8.5

Warlords IV: Heroes of Etheria 8.4

Combat Mission 3: Afrika Korps 8.4

Total Pro Football 8.3

Beyond Good & Evil 8.3

The Sims: Makin' Magic 8.3

Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark 8.2

Gothic II 8.1

Zuma Deluxe 8.1

Broken Sword 8.1

Title Bout Championship Boxing 8.1

Battlefield Vietnam 8.5

IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles 8.5

Lords of the Realm III 8.4

Silent Storm 8.2

Ricochet Lost Worlds Recharged 8.1

Nemesis of the Roman Empire 8.0

Out of the park baseball 6 8.6

Painkiller 8.5 (exclusive AA version)

FirePower for Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3 8.5

Ground Control II 8.5

City of Heroes 8.4

Joint Operations: Typhoon Rising 8.2

Perimeter 8.2

The Sims 2 8.9 (exclusive good version console versions got a 6)

Call of Duty: United Offensive 8.9

Codename: Panzers, Phase One 8.8

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War 8.8

Myst IV: Revelation 8.5

Kohan II: Kings of War 8.5

Battles in Normandy 8.4

Port Royale 2 8.3

Wings of Power: WWII Heavy Bombers and Jets 8.2

Gish 8.2

Crusader Kings 8.2

TrackMania 8.0

Tribes: Vengeance 8.8

Worldwide Soccer Manager 2005 8.6

NHL Eastside Hockey Manager 8.4

The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth One 8.4

Tin Soldiers Alexander the Great 8.3

Medal of Honor Pacific Assault 8.3

Silent Hunter III 8.9

Airstrike II: Gulf Thunder 8.8

Freedom Force vs. The Third Reich 8.7

Gary Grigsby's World at War 8.4

Hearts of Iron II 8.3

Nexus Jupiter Incident 8.3

Dangerous Waters 8.3

Baseball Mogul 2006 8.0

Falcon 4.0: Allied Force 8.9

Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil (exclusive AA version) 8.5

Oasis 8.5

SWAT 4 8.5

TrackMania Sunrise 8.2

Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates 8.1

RollerCoaster Tycoon 3: Soaked! 8.1

Empire Earth II 8.0

Knights of Honor 8.0

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Winter Assault 8.3

Codename: Panzers, Phase Two 8.3

Rome: Total War Barbarian Invasion 8.2

Day of Defeat: Source 8.1

Sims Nightlife 8.0

Slyder Adventures 8.5

Darwinia 8.5

Big Kahuna Reef 8.5

Dragonshard 8.5

The Movies 8.2

Black & White 2 8.2

Age of Empires III 8.2

City of Villains 8.2

Battlefield 2: Special Forces 8.1

Quake 4 8.0 (exclusive good version)

Platypus 8.0

Star Wars: Empire at War 8.7

GT Legends 8.5

SWAT 4: The Stetchkov Syndicate 8.2

Space Rangers 2: Rise of the Dominators 8.1

Sims Open for Business 8.0

Rome: Total War Alexander 8.5

Guild Wars Factions 8.5

Take Command: 2nd Manassas 8.3

SpellForce 2: Shadow Wars 8.2

Heroes of Might and Magic V 8.2

Hearts of Iron II: Doomsday 8.0

Act of War: High Treason 8.0

The Ship 8.3

Civilization IV: Warlords 8.6

DarkStar One 8.1

NHL: Eastside Hockey Manager 2007 8.8

DEFCON: Everybody Dies 8.1

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Dark Crusade 8.8

Microsoft Flight Simulator X 8.4

Sid Meier's Railroads! 8.1

Battlefield 2142 8.1

Star Wars: Empire at War: Forces of Corruption 8.1

Worldwide Soccer Manager 2007 8.5

Neverwinter Nights 2 8.6