[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="kunalanand50"]

3000 rs is less then 50$. How is that EXTREMELY high price?

kunalanand50

I know about the living standards of the country that he is talking about because i live in that too. So speaking from that prespective only :roll:

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Im excited for it too. Ready at Dawn made every single PSP game that was worth owning (Daxter/Syphon Filter/GoW/etc...) so I have high hopes for this. I feel like Sony was like "With Insomniac having betrayed the family....Ready at Dawn, here is your chance to show us what you can do....lets see if you can hang with the big boys!" and I think they will excel :PMFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="fend_oblivion"]This is how things are in South India : The prices of games are extremely high. As an example, The Last Of Us costs around Rs. 3000. With that same amount, I can rent a room for a month. The internet connections are a joke. I'm using a 512 kbps connection in this day and age and I have to pay Rs. 1350 for it. Another problem is the unstable power supply (voltage surges/drops, blackouts, load shedding etc).kunalanand50

3000 rs is less then 50$. How is that EXTREMELY high price?

Easier said than done.

KingsMessenger

So what you are saying is rather than taking their time to fix their industry, they should come and put all their bullshit on us? Cause fixing their own mess is "easier said than done"? Come on, game developers are becoming whinning little babies, and if they think that pissing us off, the people who buy their prodcuts and thus allow them to continue to exist, is the way to go, well maybe they deserve to go out of business. There is clearly a problem on their end with the distribution of wealth. I cant sign a record deal and then complain that my fans should pay more money for my albums because my record label is ripping me off. I mean, I could try, but my fans would tell me to go frak myself. Besides game development isnt a charity. You aren't guaranteed success. Its a highly competitive world. Some people make it and some dont. Imagine if every single stock broker and accountant complained that they arent making millions like the people on Wallstreet. Or if every amateur singer/actor complained that they arent getting paid millions. You knew the business before you came in. Its highly selective so quit bitching.

You've never truly had ownership of the product(you've never been able to dig through the source code and modify the games you've bought).  You've always just had ownership of the license to use the product.  They are simply changing the terms of that license.  I understand why you are upset about that, but PC Gamers have dealt with the same terms for years and been perfectly OK.

KingsMessenger

No one expects that level of ownership. When I buy a product, I want to own the FINISHED product, not all the work that went into creating a finished product. That would be like after buying a new Ferrarri, you go over and demand the company give you their highly sensitive and top secret documents on their latest technology that was used in the car to give it that competitive edge. No company has ever done that, and no company ever will. They promise to give you the finished working product, not the instruction manual on how you can replicate their product and put them out of business, so I dont understand your second point. And while there are licenses saying all this legal mumbo-jumbo, most of the ridiculous stuff (regarding physical ownership) has never been enforced because they know it would be unenforcable.

 

Movies = $20 for a one time view license.  

Games = $60 for an unlimited license.

Would you rather the gaming industry adopt a model similar to the film industry where they offer games for $20 for a single use license(Box Office) and then have a $40 license for unlimited use(Home Video).

But keep in mind, games (ever the shortest of which) are much longer than 1.5 - 2 hours.  Furthermore, the marketplace for gaming is such that playing such a game requires ownership of a secondary expensive product to facilitate play(a console).  So, perhaps to fix that we can string up a massive infrastructure of venues where the games can be played on the single use license(movie theater), and you can go visit those places to play your games.

Oh wait, this is all completely absurd.  Almost as absurd as trying to compare the film industry with the gaming industry.  They operate on two completely different business models and have vastly different market penetration.

KingsMessenger

Sorry man, do you forget that movies are also sold on DVD and Blu ray? Those are unlimited licenses. Pretty much what is happening is that the gaming industry is spending more money than they can afford, and then they are complaining when they go out of business. That's all there is to it. In any other business in the world, I learn to spend the money that makes sense for my profits. If your games are averaging 60million dollars in profit, then dont go spending 100 million to make the game. Its a gamble to you take plain and simple. Look at that new Will Smith movie, After Earth. It cost over 100mil to make and it made less than half of that. So should the movie company

A) Enforce new DRM to ensure that they can make more money from the movie

or

B) Not make a crappy movie the next time, or perhaps not spend as much money on a single movie that they are unsure about?

Pretty much what is happening here is the equivalent of you going to a casino, leaving with less money than you came in with, and then complaining that the Casino's should change their rules and make the pay out more and the winning ratio more. You came into the casino knowing what it was. So bet with the money you can afford to lose. Dont throw in all your money then complain when you leave broke.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="omho88"] the same goes foe Sony, I am from Egypt, suppose to be one of the largest ME countries, and the PSN isn't provided for us, I upgraded my HDD, internet speed, refused to hack my PS for a very simple reason, I wanted to have a PS+ account and enjoy it, and after all of this, Egypt wasn't listed in the supported countries. So fk you Sony for this. Regarding TC's Q, everything is doubled in prices here in Egypt, simple as that.omho88

[QUOTE="me2002"]all i know is they're not good enough for Microsoftomho88

Well I'm currently in Africa and have lived in multiple 3rd world countries all over the world (old USSR nations, Southern African nations, Latin American nations, etc...)t. And what I can say is that the main barrier for gaming in these countries are the prices. And by prices, I mean that to buy Uncharted 2 today in most African countries (excluding South Africa, which the west pretty much deems not part of Africa, but part of Europe or something so they are treated a lot better) it would cost me about 70 USD. Brand new games can retail at 100-120 USD. With prices like that even American citizens would have a hard time keeping up with the latest games.

Consoles are priced much worse. I hear Eu and Australian customers bitch and moan about the prices of their consoles. yes, I lived in Australia for about 3 years, I was there when the PS3 was released and I bought it there, and yes, it cost a lot, but you guys don't even know how lucky you are compared to third world nations. You guys are getting consoles at a bargain price compared to 3rd world nations. The PS3 was retailing at over 1000 USD in most sub-Saharan African Nations (once again exclude SA). I don't care where you are from but when you see a PS3 for over 1000 USD, you gotta pause and think twice.

And then with the movement to most games dropping local multiplayer in favor of online multiplayer, you gotta shell out even more money. Internet in countries without great infrastructure like the US is expensive as all hell. Let me give you a real world example; right now I am in Maputo, Mozambique (Maputo is the capital just in case you don't know) and I am currently paying 120 USD for 4mbit internet with a 25GB bandwidth cap. And its not cable, ADSL, or anything like that, its brought through BreezeMax service which is pretty much 4G. What that means is that the speeds are highly unreliable, the network is highly unreliable and the latency is off the charts. When I ping www.google.com my ping registers as 400-500ms.

If I wanted to get this service as unlimited bandwidth, the max speed they will allow is 2mbit, and the price would be 520 USD per month. Clearly those prices are not reasonable and for that reason, while I'm here, services like PSN+, and Steam are off-limits. 25GB is absolutely nothing. And remember, this is one of the best priced ISPs in the nation!

So for people who are gonna go tl;dr, the general summary of what I'm saying is that gaming in third world nations is exponentially more expensive than it is to game in a first world nation. Compound that with the fact that people make significantly less wages, and gaming becomes pretty much relegated to the wealthy or foreigners.

I can imagine some people on system wars would do exactly the same thing, even if they werent paid loldeltazero