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#1 Inferman
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@nintendoboy16 said:

Associated Press, CBC

Article from AP:

Washington state's attorney general declared Monday that he was suing President Donald Trump over his temporary ban on immigration from seven countries with majority-Muslim populations, making it the first state to announce a legal action against the Trump administration over one of its policies.

Trump's executive order also suspended the United States' entire refugee program and set off nationwide protests over the weekend, including one that drew 3,000 people to Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.

"If successful it would have the effect of invalidating the president's unlawful action nationwide," Attorney General Bob Ferguson said at a news conference.

Ferguson was one of 16 state attorneys general who released a statement Sunday calling Trump's immigration action "un-American and unlawful."

Trump has repeatedly said Friday's order suspending immigration for citizens of the seven countries for 90 days is aimed at protecting the nation against extremists looking to attack Americans and U.S. interests.

The lawsuit against Trump, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and high-ranking Trump administration officials was filed in federal court in Seattle.

The complaint seeks to have key provisions of the executive order declared unconstitutional, Ferguson said. The state is also asking for a temporary restraining order against enforcement of the order.

"We are a country based on the rule of law, and in a courtroom it is not the loudest voice that prevails, it's the Constitution," Ferguson said. "At the end of the day, either you're abiding by the Constitution or you are not. And in our view, the president is not adhering to the Constitution when it comes to this executive action."

Declarations of support from Amazon and Expedia — two Washington state-based businesses — will be filed with the lawsuit, said Ferguson, who was joined at the news conference by Gov. Jay Inslee.

Microsoft, based in Redmond, Washington, also supports Ferguson's efforts, said Dominic Carr, general manager for public affairs. The company will be happy to testify more if needed, Carr said.

The complaint claims that Trump's actions are separating Washington families, harming thousands of state residents, damaging the state economy, hurting Washington-based companies "and undermining Washington's sovereign interest in remaining a welcoming place for immigrants and refugees," Ferguson said.

Inslee said the "inhumanity" of Trump's order is obvious.

"This is un-American, it is wrong, and it will not stand," Inslee said. "The clear intent of this executive order is to discriminate against one faith amongst all God's children."

Inslee said he learned the hard way over the years "you do not back down to bullies."

Ferguson said he has been in contact with other attorneys general but at this point Washington state was acting on its own regarding the legal action.

The Port of Seattle said over the weekend that people who were detained at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport as a result of Trump's order have been released.

U.S. Rep. Pramila Jayapal said Sunday that two individuals were released. One is a citizen of Sudan and the other a citizen of Yemen, both countries named in Trump's order.

CBC also reports Massachusetts and New York's involvement with the inclusion of the ACLU and PP.

I've really never seen anything like this. Low approval, inhumane laws, EO's up the ass, and now lawsuits up the ass.

A good day to be an Islamic extremist!

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@hillelslovak said:
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@Inferman: So your just gonna deflect now?

How can we have a discussion on "objectification" when you refuse to define the term? Read my post again:

Do you think a shirtless Justin Beiber or Hugh Jackman on the cover of a women's magazine is objectification? If so, then this isn't something that only women deal with, making this a bad example of "the oppression of women inside the USA in modern times".

And do you think anytime a person, male or female, views another person as sexually attractive, then they're therefore objectifying that person?

Simple questions, don't you think?

Do not expect any factual or empirical reasoning to penetrate his bubble. HE argued once with me about how Saudi Arabia is a safe, modern haven for women because women can drink coffee through the burqas in coffeeshops. He is mental, and you'll get nowhere with him. I hope he gets the ban he begs for soon.

I'll take your advice. Either the guy is a troll or he has been brainwashed. Either way, he seems incapable of continuing this discussion in a substantive manner.

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@iandizion713 said:

@Inferman: So your just gonna deflect now?

Your argument is stupid for two reasons. One, the kind of "objectification" (if we can call it that) that you say women experience in the USA is something that men also experience. So this isn't a good example of "the oppression of women in the USA in modern-times" even if we are to accept that this is objectification. We would also have to assume that objectification is oppression. Oppression, according to Google, is "prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control". So, is Hugh Jackman and Justin Beiber going through "prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control" when they're shown shirtless on a women's magazine? I don't think so.

Also, you seem to have this bizarre idea in your head that if a person finds somebody sexually attractive, then that means that person is being objectifying.

Unfortunately, you won't explain yourself because you know you've been owned, thoroughly.

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@iandizion713 said:

@Inferman: So your just gonna deflect now?

How can we have a discussion on "objectification" when you refuse to define the term? Read my post again:

Do you think a shirtless Justin Beiber or Hugh Jackman on the cover of a women's magazine is objectification? If so, then this isn't something that only women deal with, making this a bad example of "the oppression of women inside the USA in modern times".

And do you think anytime a person, male or female, views another person as sexually attractive, then they're therefore objectifying that person?

Simple questions, don't you think?

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@iandizion713 said:
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@Inferman: Just ping me when your ready to answer the question.

Your question presupposes that I agree with your definition of "objectification" and that I think the objectification of women is fine. It's a loaded question. Which is why I responded as follows:

That's like me asking you why do you think it's OK to beat your wife? Or why do you think it's OK to work with the Russians with the goal of undermining the republic of the USA?

First, I'd need to establish that you have a wife who you beat or that you do work with the Russians.

Likewise, you first need to explain to me your reasoning. Do you think a shirtless Justin Beiber or Hugh Jackman on the cover of a women's magazine is objectification? If so, then this isn't something that only women deal with, making this a bad example of "the oppression of women inside the USA in modern times".

And do you think anytime a person, male or female, views another person as sexually attractive, then they're therefore objectifying that person?

You got OWNED, kid. #MAGA

Your still refusing to answer. Ill answer yours. Its wrong to beat anyone. Its also wrong to support dictators who oppress people. Do you think a woman has to be objectified in order to be attractive? Why is it ok to objectify women?

You first need to explain to me your reasoning. Do you think a shirtless Justin Beiber or Hugh Jackman on the cover of a women's magazine is objectification? If so, then this isn't something that only women deal with, making this a bad example of "the oppression of women inside the USA in modern times".

And do you think anytime a person, male or female, views another person as sexually attractive, then they're therefore objectifying that person?

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@hillelslovak said:
@Inferman said:
@iandizion713 said:

@Inferman: Your still not answering the question. Why is it ok to objectify women.

That's like me asking you why do you think it's OK to beat your wife? Or why do you think it's OK to work with the Russians with the goal of undermining the republic of the USA?

First, I'd need to establish that you have a wife who you beat or that you do work with the Russians.

Likewise, you first need to explain to me your reasoning. Do you think a shirtless Justin Beiber or Hugh Jackman on the cover of a women's magazine is objectification? If so, then this isn't something that only women deal with, making this a bad example of "the oppression of women inside the USA in modern times".

And do you think anytime a person, male or female, views another person as sexually attractive, then they're therefore objectifying that person?

Dont waste your time. He is most likely trolling like in every other thread. He'll post a bunch of provocative nonsense, spin whenever people press him, and then act as if the burden of proof is on you for his claim, and he'll give you an answer like "The facts are there, I dont know what to tell you." after giving no facts, merely assertions.

All I can say is I hope he's trolling. I'm sick of hearing and reading brainwashed people spewing propaganda.

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@iandizion713 said:

@Inferman: Just ping me when your ready to answer the question.

Your question presupposes that I agree with your definition of "objectification" and that I think the objectification of women is fine. It's a loaded question. Which is why I responded as follows:

That's like me asking you why do you think it's OK to beat your wife? Or why do you think it's OK to work with the Russians with the goal of undermining the republic of the USA?

First, I'd need to establish that you have a wife who you beat or that you do work with the Russians.

Likewise, you first need to explain to me your reasoning. Do you think a shirtless Justin Beiber or Hugh Jackman on the cover of a women's magazine is objectification? If so, then this isn't something that only women deal with, making this a bad example of "the oppression of women inside the USA in modern times".

And do you think anytime a person, male or female, views another person as sexually attractive, then they're therefore objectifying that person?

By the way, you didn't answer my questions from earlier. Women attend and graduate from college at greater rates than men. Is this an example of the oppression of men? Men are more likely to be the victims of crime. Is this an example of the oppression of men? Fathers are less likely to gain custody of their kids. Is this an example of the oppression of men? More homeless are men. Is this an example of the oppression of men?

You got OWNED, kid. #MAGA

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@iandizion713 said:

@Inferman: Your still not answering the question. Why is it ok to objectify women.

That's like me asking you why do you think it's OK to beat your wife? Or why do you think it's OK to work with the Russians with the goal of undermining the republic of the USA?

First, I'd need to establish that you have a wife who you beat or that you do work with the Russians.

Likewise, you first need to explain to me your reasoning. Do you think a shirtless Justin Beiber or Hugh Jackman on the cover of a women's magazine is objectification? If so, then this isn't something that only women deal with, making this a bad example of "the oppression of women inside the USA in modern times".

And do you think anytime a person, male or female, views another person as sexually attractive, then they're therefore objectifying that person?

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@iandizion713 said:

@Inferman: So thats suppose to justify objectifying women? Are you crazy?

When I see a picture of Justin Bieber shirtless--or a picture of Hugh Jackman shirtless on the cover of a women's magazine, does that mean these men are being objectified?

And if a person finds another person sexually attractive, does that mean that person is objectifying the person that they find attractive?

Finally, is this your only example of the "oppression of women" inside the USA in modern times? If so... LOL

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@Inferman: Our advertisements depict objects rather than people.

Despite the fact that studies have suggested that sex actually doesn't sell, advertisers continue to undress women for the sake of getting more people to watch their stuff. The issue, however, is not the fact that a beautiful lady is strutting her stuff for some cash. But the cinematography looks like a science class dissection for teenage boys. They show you the girl's body in sections (BUTT. BOOBS. BUTT. LEGS. BOOBS. burger. CROTCH. burger. BOOBS.), which turns her into a series of objects rather than a human being. The dude in the commercial, who speaks two words, still speaks more than the girl, who can only manage to laugh instead of saying, "Want some sunscreen?" like normal women who do half-naked burger yoga would do. If we stop portraying women like objects, maybe we can stop treating them like objects.

People in general are attracted to beautiful people. That goes for men and women. That's why movies, advertisements, etc., mostly have beautiful people in them. What's the issue?

Secondly, it doesn't follow that because a person finds a person sexually attractive that they're seeing that person as an object. That's a very odd way of looking at sexuality.

So when I see a man shirtless and muscle-bound on a cover of a magazine--or Justin Bieber shirtless on some magazine for teen girls, are these guys being objectified?

Is this your only example of women being oppressed in the USA during modern-times?