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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"] I would say so, or it should at least be that way. IDGAF how many times people bring up rings, players like Elgin Baylor were incredible. An NBA championship is a team effort.No_Hablo_Ingles

See I partially agree with that. I think it should be a mix of both for most cases. Not necessarily to have championships as a necessity but at least some playoff success to go along with the exceptional stats. If its only stats then we might as well consider guys like Kevin Love.

But then again this is the Basketball HOF which isn't known to have any critical qualifications. Its not like its the MLB or NFL HOF.

So on those grounds I don't see why T-Mac shouldn't make it in.

That wasn't my intention at all...

I'm simply saying that if stats don't equate to success then they're inflated imo. They should both fall in relation with each other when considering something like a Hall of Famer; however, that's clearly not the case. It is what it is.

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[QUOTE="PSP107"] But if we go by rings, we have to consider Steve Kerr as he has 4.PSP107

Where did I say we should only go by ring count?

Oh the one where I said "IF its only stats..." 

I'm not declaring that we should go by one or the other.  I opted for a mix of both.  I thought I stated that clearly.

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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"] I would say so, or it should at least be that way. IDGAF how many times people bring up rings, players like Elgin Baylor were incredible. An NBA championship is a team effort.PSP107

See I partially agree with that.  I think it should be a mix of both for most cases.  Not necessarily to have championships as a necessity but at least some playoff success to go along with the exceptional stats.  If its only stats then we might as well consider guys like Kevin Love.  

But then again this is the Basketball HOF which isn't known to have any critical qualifications.  Its not like its the MLB or NFL HOF.  

So on those grounds I don't see why T-Mac shouldn't make it in. 

Where did I say we should only go by ring count?

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[QUOTE="PSP107"] Lebron James without the rings would be a hall a famer. Chris Bosh(if stayed with Raptors) and Melo could be hall of famers is their stats stay consistence through their remaining career. I personally thinks rings to determine a hall of famer is flawed. Its helps but it shouldn't be the deciding factor.-Halftime-

So then would you say entrance into the HOF is based more on individual stats rather than overall NBA team success?

See I partially agree with that.  I think it should be a mix of both for most cases.  Not necessarily to have championships as a necessity but at least some playoff success to go along with the exceptional stats.  If its only stats then we might as well consider guys like Kevin Love.  

But then again this is the Basketball HOF which isn't known to have any critical qualifications.  Its not like its the MLB or NFL HOF.  

So on those grounds I don't see why T-Mac shouldn't make it in. 

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Well that's the funny thing about basketball.  We like to rank stars based on rings or deep playoff runs; but yet we cut certain guys some slack because "their team lagged behind them."  

LeBron and the Cavs were a key example.  Great player on a subpar team (their record was terrible once he left, which proved he was carrying) but that didn't stop the shit he was taking.

People also give Melo a hard time for his lack of success, despite only having contender quality teams on a few occassions.  He did get to the WCF though so not bad at all.

And here we give T-Mac a pass despite the guy playing with Yao Ming, a top 3 center at one point.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to get in...I'm just saying let's be a little more consistent here guys.

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So then would you say entrance into the HOF is based more on individual stats rather than overall NBA team success?

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The thing about T-Mac is I don't know how many Hall of Famers couldn't take their team past the first round. 

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Dennis Rodman is different because he wasn't a star per say.  Instead he was an expert hustle player, probably the best one of all time.  So yeah that's a very special case.  If you're the best in a particular area of the game you have to get in.  

Chris Bosh on the Raptors was the best player on his team followed by who?  And yeah the jewelry makes that discussion very irrelevant.  We can speak what-ifs all day.

Well that's the funny thing about basketball.  We like to rank stars based on rings or deep playoff runs; but yet we cut certain guys some slack because "their team lagged behind them."  

LeBron and the Cavs were a key example.  Great player on a subpar team (their record was terrible once he left, which proved he was carrying) but that didn't stop the shit he was taking.

People also give Melo a hard time for his lack of success, despite only having contender quality teams on a few occassions.  He did get to the WCF though so not bad at all.

And here we give T-Mac a pass despite the guy playing with Yao Ming, a top 3 center at one point.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to get in...I'm just saying let's be a little more consistent here guys.

Nope, I would look for another job if I did, unless I feel like what I'm doing is actually contributing to something I don't see the point in doing it.TxTech1923

Perhaps to bring in money, and support yourself and possibly a family? Just a guess.

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Miley just keeps on giving...

Hallenbeck77

Its only entertainment. 

I bet she's a virgin.

Yeah that is a lot.  I usually pay like $50-$60 for quality jeans.  Its not like I buy them often either.