[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which is true. The US is always looked at when someone wants something....then they complain the US in involved. But if you want to get into specifics the you'll have to do the work and link some things. While I was not for the Iraq War....the civilians were happy that the US removed Saddam. Ninja-Hippo

"The US is always looked at when someone wants something.... then they complain the US is involved."

Give me one example.

[spoiler] lol at u still saying we did Iraq a favour. Killed 100,000 of them. You're welcome guys! [/spoiler]

I want to see an example myself.  Don't remember any nations calling for America's involvement.

He probably thinks America got involved in Vietnam just to provide some "moral support."

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well there is evidence to that affect. And a group claimed responsibility. And similar attacks happened in other countries....but hey wear that tin foil hat and don't let evidence taint you. LJS9502_basic

Mind if I see this evidence?

So no evidence? Thought so.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] This is what I think is the problem with conspiracy theorists....too busy wanting to believe that they ignore everything that shows the lie.LJS9502_basic

Yeah man I could say the same for you. I'm sure random Arab men hijacked planes using boxcutters and pulled off amazing plane executions in such a short time.  That's all the evidence I need to believe.

Mind if I see this evidence?

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You just can't win.  

Ignorance is bliss.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah man I could say the same for you. I'm sure random Arab men hijacked planes using boxcutters and pulled off amazing plane executions in such a short time.  That's all the evidence I need to believe.

You just can't win.  

Ignorance is bliss.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] If it's factual....you should be able to find more than one source. If you can't.....maybe you stop and ask yourself why.chaplainDMK

I know how this goes.  I give you a list of sources and then you proceed to tell me each one is biased and not credible.  Yeah right, I've seen this game many times.  

Are you trying to argue that the source is making up these quotes?  Here is Mr. Springman, the man that worked for the US government for 20 years with the foreign service and consulate saying this stuff first hand.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSebMjd50u0&list=PLWR8xzFzuQNsQiI1wBaVpZ453TPZz3Q1U&index=1

But he's not credible right?

He states that he tried to go to major presses and they all wanted nothing to do with it. The media doesn't just put anything out...Keep in mind what this man's claims are challening here. If you would just watch the video.  

Besides I can't tell you if the man is alive today or not.  I don't think anyone is aware of his where abouts.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] If it's factual....you should be able to find more than one source. If you can't.....maybe you stop and ask yourself why.LJS9502_basic

I know how this goes.  I give you a list of sources and then you proceed to tell me each one is biased and not credible.  Yeah right, I've seen this game many times.  

Are you trying to argue that the source is making up these quotes?  Here is Mr. Springman, the man that worked for the US government for 20 years with the foreign service and consulate saying this stuff first hand.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSebMjd50u0&list=PLWR8xzFzuQNsQiI1wBaVpZ453TPZz3Q1U&index=1

But he's not credible right?

How could he, he was fired from the State Department after his complaints.

But you would rather believe that this man is lying about working for the Bureau and once again lying about these events.  And for the sake of what? This guy worked in the government for 10+ years.  

Didn't the federal government simply give you their "word" about what took place? (All while shoving a bill through Congress and justifying a war) Yet they're so credible :lol: 

I'm wondering who's really brainwashed here.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'm not trying anything. It was an opinion piece. I'm not going to believe an opinion just because someone has said opinion. Where are your sources?LJS9502_basic

...Dude just look at the points where Michael Springman is directly quoted.  Its a known fact that he's a whistleblower.  You can find that anywhere on the internet, through numerous sources just from a google search.

You're telling me the former head of the American visa bureau isn't a credible source? 

Obviously I'm not going to find the NYTimes article on this, stop being so dense :lol:

I know how this goes.  I give you a list of sources and then you proceed to tell me each one is biased and not credible.  Yeah right, I've seen this game many times.  

Are you trying to argue that the source is making up these quotes?  Here is Mr. Springman, the man that worked for the US government for 20 years with the foreign service and consulate saying this stuff first hand.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSebMjd50u0&list=PLWR8xzFzuQNsQiI1wBaVpZ453TPZz3Q1U&index=1

But he's not credible right?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not a very good source TBH. If you can provide a better source we can talk. But that source seems to take little things and spin them to an overall opinion of the author. That's generally not what one considers facts.LJS9502_basic

But all the source is essentially doing is quoting the former head of the American visa bureau, Michael Springman.  I don't see how it's spinning anything.  

Seems like you would rather just try and find any fault with the source rather than just read what it's presenting.

...Dude just look at the points where Michael Springman is directly quoted.  Its a known fact that he's a whistleblower.  You can find that anywhere on the internet, through numerous sources just from a google search.

You're telling me the former head of the American visa bureau isn't a credible source? 

Obviously I'm not going to find the NYTimes article on this, stop being so dense :lol:

I'm sure that even if some of these theories were confirmed true by their originators, people still wouldn't believe it simply because they wouldn't want to.  They would rather live thinking that the government is never at fault and we should never check them.  Oh the founding fathers would be so proud.