@Acardorin @Jasurim @punksterdaddy

Agree to disagree.

In the end to me it still equals the same thing.

"asking you to "display a product that is imaged by a camera, and the computing system may identify the product"."

I just doubt they are doing things like this for our benefit.

Well that sucks...hopefully the PS4 allows for all regions.

There are a fair few games that aren't released in Australia I like buying and added onto that sometimes it's just easier buying the games overseas. Incredibly frustrating if this gets put in place on all consoles.

@Acardorin @Jasurim @punksterdaddy

Perhaps it will track us when not being used, perhaps it won't, honestly none of us will ever know and I don't really want to go too far down that paranoia route (even if it is at the back of a few of our minds).

But the thing is it *will* be watching us whenever we use the Xbox for gaming or watching TV etc, you may be fine with it, but I honestly find it a bit concerning and off-putting.

@Acardorin @punksterdaddy

"The latter may include tracking your lounge room to check you’re there, or asking you to "display a product that is imaged by a camera, and the computing system may identify the product"."

From that it seems like it is tracking what you are doing/using etc in order to gather information.

I personally don't need nor want that extra little constant in-look into my life. If I could just turn it off it would be better, but from what I've read, you can't.

@Acardorin

How in any way would this be a fun addition?

You aren't doing anything for it...how is that even an achievement....

This really scares me.... :/

I am hoping and praying that the PS4 won't go down the same path. It's not so much for me that I can't buy used games (although that is a factor), but the the fact that I don't even seem to own these games. Also a huge question mark for me, is how does this work with shared consoles? I think I should be able to freely use a game I bought within the same house without having to pay extra fees if someone else wants to use it.

I don't know what I'll do if it is true. I want a console for its exclusives...but urrgh all this stupid crap we have to deal with to get it. =.=

Fingers still crossed that PS4 does that right thing.

Putting aside the whole TV focus the new Xbox seems to have and the utter stupidity of the idea, I don't want my kinect watching me and giving me achievements while I watch TV. That in all honesty, creeps me out lol.

@thenephariouson @Jasurim

Right, but if there is no fee then they still need a way to determine the game has been "fairly" traded? Otherwise people in theory could just buy one copy of a game and trade it around to 100 different people to let them download it onto their console for free.

@jeffrobin @Jasurim

That does make a bit of sense, but then does this mean you have to through a retailer or something similar if you want to say give the game to someone else?

@Shelledfade1 @Jasurim

No.

From what they've said before, once you've downloaded it from the disc you don't need to use the disc to play it again.