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#1 JoeRatz16
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[QUOTE="xaos"]Great news! People who enter the health care field should be willing to provide health care, and if not, should find a career better suited to their beliefs.xaos

abortion is not health care. Abortion is not a matter of reproductive health!

Glad to have the Pope's expert medical opinion weigh in there. And for your next comment about the patient's best interest, the only objection to abortion would be on religious/moral grounds, not health grounds. Guess which of those areas is the doctor's business?

The doctor could refuse abortion on the following health grounds: 1. He thinks abortion is too risky a procedure (ie. sometimes the knife pierces the cervix) 2. He is worried she could get Post-Abortion-Syndrome 3. He sees the fetus as his patient too (afterall there are procedures done to save fetuses) 4. He is a licensed OB-GYN but has never trained in and or performed an abortion and thus doesn't really know how to (Or if he is morally opposed, he could just say he doesn't know how to).

Also think of this: If the Doctor is morally against the procedure and has to be coerced into performing this, his mind won't be really into it, which could increase the chances of him making a mistake (or purposesly misperforming the procedure and saying it was a mistake, especially if he gets angry).

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[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]Great news! People who enter the health care field should be willing to provide health care, and if not, should find a career better suited to their beliefs.xaos

You don't think looking after the well-being of an unborn baby is "health care"?

I see what you did thar. I think refusing to provide legal health care to a patient is piss-poor health care. If I became an Ob-Gyn and refused to provide pap smears because I thought that they were icky or whatever, I'd similarly not be very well-suited for my job. And nocoolnamejim, I deliberately chose that example because it was kind of silly, and also because it relates to my day to day experience :)

shouldn't a doctor be able to refuse to peform a procedure if the Doctor judges the procedure to not be in the best interests of the patient?

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Great news! People who enter the health care field should be willing to provide health care, and if not, should find a career better suited to their beliefs.xaos
abortion is not health care. Abortion is not a matter of reproductive health!

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But technically these regulations are here to enforce exisitng laws, which would mean if Morgoth overturned the regulations we would have laws that aren't being enforced. Isn't that Problematic if the "president" can pick and choose which laws to enforce and which to let people break?

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all things aside i find it interesting that you put president in quotations. seems like a troll move to me....

The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority.
These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin.
Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."79

"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law.
When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined....

Thus Morgoth (ie. Obama) is an illegitimate leader.

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[QUOTE="optiow"]I don't really care. It has happened, who cares how? but it has happened.CombatHigh
It greatly disturbs me that my country is in cahoots with isreal, the most evil force on the planet.

Wrong, The U.S is the most evil force on the planet.

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But technically these regulations are here to enforce exisitng laws, which would mean if Morgoth overturned the regulations we would have laws that aren't being enforced. Isn't that Problematic if the "president" can pick and choose which laws to enforce and which to let people break?

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The Obama Administration is planning to overturn HHS regulations that help health-care workers report abuses of conscience rights and allow enforcement of federal laws that prohibit discrimination against Doctors, Nurses and hospitals that refuse to provide and perform abortions.

This site has videos put up by: a Cardinal (in Spanish and English), a nurse (in English and Spanish), a Doctor (in English) and 2 Med students (in English) urging opposition to this violation of religious freedom and conscientious objection rights.

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For maximum laughs, read this while listening to "Ms New Booty".D3nnyCrane
is that what the guy in your avatar is doing?

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#9 JoeRatz16
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I'm dissapointed now, I was hoping for someone who was stealing boobs not making scams:(

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same here. Lol, i heard they caught her by setting up a booby trap!

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#10 JoeRatz16
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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] the answer is no. I'm not an idolater. I commented on him because he just went on a trip to Africa.

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You comment in these forums on almost everything he does.

maybe he went as the pope for halloween in 2008. and rats before you decide to report me again for this statement keep in mind if i go your coming with me do to your slick comment saying i came in guns blazing hijacking your thread. and trust me if i wanted to flame you it wouldve been done already so forget you and your pope loving belief im out this thread and back into reality

I never said you hijacked the thread, I said people hijacked it. And why assume that it was me that reported you? I'm sorry somebody did report you, no that I know it got you so upset, I'll know in the future not to report you.