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#1 JoeRatz16
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. hes a ex nazi who is protecting a bishop that said the holocause never happened and now pope dip spit says condoms dont work abstenence does..... id take a swing at him.

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He is not an ex-nazi, he was drafted into the hitler youth he didn't go willingly. He never protected the bishop (who by the way said the holocaust did happen, he just thinks that only 300,000 jews died, not 6 million), he made it clear that in order to be considered a legitimate bishop, bishop Williamson will have to repudiate his comments (the Pope didn't know about the comments until after he had lifted the excommunications of the 4 SSPX "bishops").

Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

i think your blinded by your belief system. the pope has kept the bishop who denied the holocause of happening. so before you spew your garbage do some reserch and stop listening to fox there just as blind as you are

Actually the bishops have just had their excommunications lifted, they still have no canonical function in the Church and thus are not really bishops nor even priests, they have no ministry in the church.

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and people listen to this guy.......swiftkillz0
at least he doesn't say he bowls like somebody from the special olympics and then go on a big prime-time newscast and make like nothing happened?

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. hes a ex nazi who is protecting a bishop that said the holocause never happened and now pope dip spit says condoms dont work abstenence does..... id take a swing at him.

Tazzmission187

He is not an ex-nazi, he was drafted into the hitler youth he didn't go willingly. He never protected the bishop (who by the way said the holocaust did happen, he just thinks that only 300,000 jews died, not 6 million), he made it clear that in order to be considered a legitimate bishop, bishop Williamson will have to repudiate his comments (the Pope didn't know about the comments until after he had lifted the excommunications of the 4 SSPX "bishops").

Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

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so much for respect, eh?

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So anyway here's a quick recap for anyone interested: "In Africa, pope challenges attitudes, cultural trends


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By John Thavis, Catholic News Service

LUANDA, Angola -- Pope Benedict XVI's in-flight statement opposing condom distribution in AIDS prevention drew sharp criticism and was seen by many as a distraction from his main message in Africa.

But a closer look reveals that very little of what the pope had to say during his March 17-23 African journey was easy or accommodating. On issues ranging from abortion to corruption, from women's rights to economic development, he preached the Gospel in a way that took issue with common practices and prevailing attitudes.

His conviction, expressed on his first day in Cameroon, is that Christianity is the answer -- the only real answer -- to the chronic problems plaguing Africa. His fear is that Africa, caught up in economic and cultural globalization, will follow the secularized West and lose touch with its own best values.

Condom campaigns are, to Pope Benedict, a small but very real part of this threat. But his concern extends to virtually every area of social, economic and political life.

"At a time when so many people have no qualms about trying to impose the tyranny of materialism, with scant concern for the most deprived, you must be very careful," he told Africans in Cameroon.

"Take care of your souls," he said. "Do not let yourselves be captivated by selfish illusions and false ideals."

News accounts usually leave out the words than inevitably followed these papal warnings, but for the pope they were the most important part of his message in Africa: "Only Christ is the way of life." "The Lord Jesus is the one mediator and redeemer." "Christ is the measure of true humanism."

The transformation the pontiff asked of Africans was, as he described it, one that must begin with a radical conversion to Christ that redirects every aspect of life.

"The Gospel teaches us that reconciliation, true reconciliation, can only be the fruit of conversion, a change of heart, a new way of thinking. It teaches us that only the power of God's love can change our hearts," he said at an outdoor Mass in Angola.

The pope kept reminding listeners that, in his view, inside and outside Africa the Christian message lived to the full is profoundly countercultural.

That was eminently clear when he addressed young people in an Angolan soccer stadium, telling them that their power to shape the future was directly dependent on their "constant dialogue with the Lord."

"The dominant societal culture is not helping you live by Jesus' words or to practice the self-giving to which he calls you," he said. In fact, he said, today's "individualistic and hedonistic" values prevent young people from reaching maturity.

At his Mass the next day, the pope continued in the same vein, saying that "living by the truth" was not easy in the face of the "hardened attitudes" of selfishness that dominate much of contemporary social relations.

Abortion was very much on the pope's mind in Africa. His first speech on the continent reminded Africans of their traditional values and said the church was the institution best able to preserve and purify them -- unlike agencies that want to impose "cultural models that ignore the rights of the unborn."

In a speech to foreign diplomats, he laid down a direct challenge to international organizations that, in his words, were undermining society's foundations by promoting abortion as a form of reproductive health care. The working document for next October's Synod of Bishops, delivered by the pope to African bishops, said globalization "infringes on Africa's rights" and tends "to be the vehicle for the domination of a single, cultural model and a culture of death."

The pope hit hard on African wars and ethnic conflicts and repeatedly held out Christianity as the answer. If Africans grasp that the church is "God's family," he said in Cameroon, there is no room for ethnocentrism or factionalism. In effect, he presented the church as the only institution capable of bringing Africans together in a way that goes beyond political or economic expediency.

Although the pope had two one-liners about corruption, typically portrayed in the West as the quintessential "African" problem, he did not engage in finger-pointing -- even in Cameroon, which is usually at the top of the corruption charts of human rights organizations. Indeed, he called Cameroon a "land of hope" for Africa.

The reason is that he knows local African church leaders are already on the front lines in denouncing political corruption. In Cameroon, for example, a year ago Cardinal Christian Wiyghan Tumi of Douala took the unprecedented step of publicly opposing President Paul Biya's constitutional meddling that allowed the president to serve yet another seven-year term -- a position the cardinal reiterated during the pope's visit.

Significantly, the pope treated corruption not as a problem to be eliminated in return for foreign aid, but as a practice incompatible with the demands of the Gospel. He added, however, that Africa deserves a similar change in attitude from the developed world -- not "more programs and protocols" but "conversion of hearts to sincere solidarity."

His visit to the sick in Cameroon illustrated that the church must invest its resources in love and care for the needy, but with a special focus: Human suffering can only make sense in light of Christ's crucifixion and his "final victory" over death, he said.

Even the pope's defense of women's rights in Africa was very much a "Benedict" approach, based not on human rights declarations but on the biblical account of creation. Here, too, his point that men and women have "complementary" roles will no doubt find critics.

The pope's method in Africa was not to lay down the law but to lay down a challenge, asking people to examine their own lives and their relationships in the light of the Gospel. He believes that Christianity is a perfect fit for Africa but that, in view of cultural trends, it won't necessarily be an easy fit.

For video of the trip see here

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Wow, that is amazing.

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On September 10, 2003, 18-year-old Holly Patterson entered a Planned Parenthood Clinic in Hayward, California, seeking a "safe" abortion.[1] While at the clinic, Holly ingested RU-486. As instructed by employees at Planned Parenthood, Holly later ingested a second drug at home. Three days later, Holly went to an emergency room with severe pain and bleeding. ER personnel instructed her that her symptoms were normal for a chemical abortion, treated her with pain killers, and sent her home. Holly also called Planned Parenthood, which echoed that her symptoms were normal.

On September 17, Holly-weak, vomiting, and suffering from severe abdominal pain-was rushed to the ER. She died from septic shock at 1:52 p.m. Holly had developed a severe bacterial infection because "fragments of the fetus" remained in her uterus after her chemical abortion. This was the third reported death in the United States since the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the RU-486 regimen. In total, five women in the U.S. have died within one week of using RU-486, and the FDA has now acknowledged at least eight deaths associated with RU-486.[2]

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Is the Church tax-exempt too?nocoolnamejim
Yep. Churches are non-profit, and thus, pay no taxes.

I think what he was alluding too is that the TC, whose pattern of posting is pretty much either: A. State how awesome the Catholic Church is B. State how horrible institutions that interfere in any way with the Catholic Church are ...might be a touch of a double standard here for stating on the one hand "This organization is so corrupt and so criminal, and yet they get taxpayer money! And they are tax exempt" with regards to Planned Parenthood while completely defending an institution that had a far larger, far more widespread, and far more systematic coverup of criminal activity over the last few decades. .

Actually the source said the public school system is even worse! Plus the Church abuse was primarily from 1950- 1980, whereas the Planned Parenthood cases (which ahem, are the topic of this post) are very recent most from the 90's and the 2000's.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] Yep. Churches are non-profit, and thus, pay no taxes.Engrish_Major

1. Yes they are tax exempt, but they are not government funded (only some charities affiliated or run by them get government funds) like Planned Parenthood is. 2. They actually have been turning the situation around since 2002, and now spend more money on preventing abuse then they do in court cases involved in that abuse. and "About 83 percent of the offenders among diocesan clergy are deceased, already removed from ministry, already laicized or missing."

So 17% are still there, 'practicing'? :o

No, most of those have been sent to ministries where the can't have contact with children, such as monasteries, administrative positions, liaisons, etc.

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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Hmmm, a tax-exempt organization covering up allegations of child abuse... sounds familiar...Engrish_Major
Is the Church tax-exempt too?

Yep. Churches are non-profit, and thus, pay no taxes.

1. Yes they are tax exempt, but they are not government funded (only some charities affiliated or run by them get government funds) like Planned Parenthood is. 2. They actually have been turning the situation around since 2002, and now spend more money on preventing abuse then they do in court cases involved in that abuse. and "About 83 percent of the offenders among diocesan clergy are deceased, already removed from ministry, already laicized or missing."